Last week I was fine, today is day 2 of 5 low calories and I'm fed up! This goes along with my previous idea of doing a higher cal day on Wednesday, just a bit, like 1500 to keep me sane. Maybe I will. Although I didn't sleep much last night and I went to the gym and lifted a few weights. Not a lot but ultimately I haven't been lifting much anyway.
I can't wait until this is over. I just want to eat maintenence and train with some intensity already!
72.5 kg this morning. I'm realy wondering if my maintenence weekend needs to be a bit higher. To lose at all on a mantenence weekend is a bit surprising...
This is interesting-kind of the same thing for me. The days I eat at maintenance or over and don't train that day, I drop weight over the next couple of days. On the days I lift and eat lower cals I am up in weight the next day but that's to be expected because of water retention in the muscles. I am really starting to think that super low cals are not good for those with thyroid problems-I post on 2 other forums about thyroid issues and see this over and over again-they super restrict calories and stall in weight loss. Maybe our metabos do get a boost from the higher calories at certain intervals and this is what we need for the thyroid to function better?
I've lost 50 pounds so far; when I started taking the Armour Thyroid (instead of synthroid) it really helped.
But I have never been able to lose more than 4 pounds a month. And that's high, very high for me.
You can do it. It will just take "longer" than some--but please don't let the stories at the thyroid board scare you. You have the advantage of the knowledge and experience of the people on these boards. I was on various weight loss lists and such for a long time, and honestly a lot of it was just excuse-making and supporting each other in failure. There are plenty of people around here who wanted to solve the issues and not just complain about them.
Hey Gen. I like your new avitar. I traveled a lot during the last few weeks of the summer so I didn't check my subscribed logs too much. Wow - you have been going low!! Don't know how you do it.
My log is over in the challenge forum now. Talk to ya soon.
This is interesting-kind of the same thing for me. The days I eat at maintenance or over and don't train that day, I drop weight over the next couple of days. On the days I lift and eat lower cals I am up in weight the next day but that's to be expected because of water retention in the muscles. I am really starting to think that super low cals are not good for those with thyroid problems-I post on 2 other forums about thyroid issues and see this over and over again-they super restrict calories and stall in weight loss. Maybe our metabos do get a boost from the higher calories at certain intervals and this is what we need for the thyroid to function better?
So far this is working. It's hard, but I'm watching the scale go lower so I'm pretty happy (except when I'm hungry ).
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Hey Gen, just came by to say hello.
I've lost 50 pounds so far; when I started taking the Armour Thyroid (instead of synthroid) it really helped.
But I have never been able to lose more than 4 pounds a month. And that's high, very high for me.
You can do it. It will just take "longer" than some--but please don't let the stories at the thyroid board scare you. You have the advantage of the knowledge and experience of the people on these boards. I was on various weight loss lists and such for a long time, and honestly a lot of it was just excuse-making and supporting each other in failure. There are plenty of people around here who wanted to solve the issues and not just complain about them.
Anyway, just sayin' hai.
Hai! I felt that it was really difficult trying to weed out the one's who weren't dieting right from the ones who were having geniune problems. That was impossible. That's why I came here to ask people who probably had their dieting techniques down about the issues they had. I'm annoyed that its just going to be slower for me, but at least I know that I'm not excluded from the life I really want for myself because I had my thyroid removed.
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Hey Gen. I like your new avitar. I traveled a lot during the last few weeks of the summer so I didn't check my subscribed logs too much. Wow - you have been going low!! Don't know how you do it.
My log is over in the challenge forum now. Talk to ya soon.
Thanks! I have been going low, it's really hard (!!!) but I'll do it as long as I can stand it. As I said on your log, good luck in the challenge! I would have joined it too, but I didn't feel like I'd found an answer yet. Seems I should have maybe. Next time I will. When I'm done with cutting I'll do a challenge with fitness goals.
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Plus, my desire to remain stunningly attractive outweighs the call of the cheesecake. mostly...
71.8 - 71.5 this morning. Depending on where I moved the scale.
I'm planning pizza for dinner, but I should still be around 1200 calories or less today. Sat and Sun are refeed days, but we're visiting friends between Saturday noonish and Sunday noonish so it'll be hard. Amazingly I'm more afraid of not reaching 2000, though I probably won't have as much trouble as I think. We usually have crap food, just not much of it.
From Annette's log I started thinking about dinner and how I should change that. When you only have 1100 calories, saving 600 - 700 for dinner is not fun! Its not only about the hunger though, it's more about the fact that by 5:30 when I get out of work I feel weak and completely drained. If its a gym day, I'm a very unhappy camper!
So I've decided that I'm going to eat half of my dinner and save the other half for the next day's lunch. This give me a chance to eat a bit more for breakfast and sneak in a snack during the day. I did it yesterday and it kind of worked out ok. I'll try it next week to and see how it goes. I do have a feeling that I'm just going to feel weak and drained on such low calories. Proof that I'm losing weight maybe???
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Well, it was absolutely ridiculous to think that after 5 days of low low calories I was going to eat just half of a home made pizza. Pizza is my cryptonite on a good day! Soooo, Friday and Saturday are my refeed days. Sunday through thursday I'll eat low again. Then I go to Paris! And it's my birthday! Woooo Hoooo!
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Plus, my desire to remain stunningly attractive outweighs the call of the cheesecake. mostly...
Well, it was absolutely ridiculous to think that after 5 days of low low calories I was going to eat just half of a home made pizza. Pizza is my cryptonite on a good day! Soooo, Friday and Saturday are my refeed days. Sunday through thursday I'll eat low again. Then I go to Paris! And it's my birthday! Woooo Hoooo!
I've eaten a good 2500 calories today. I have to get this refeed stuff under control. 600 g carbs!?!? I don't know how to do that! But today we're visiting friends so I just did what I could. No big deal. Ultimately I'm doing well and am in a good place psychologically. (Except after 2 to 3 days of 1100 calories lol).
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Hubby and I woke up feeling ill Monday morning so we didnt' go to the gym or eat deficit. I had 1881 calories, plus some vitamin c tablets. Today too I ate around 1900 calories. Part of it is pre -AF I'm sure. I can feel it the tension and negative thoughts swirling. And the chocolate binging. I bought dark chocolate covered rice cakes at lunchtime today thinking it looked like something nice I could keep at my desk and eat one or two a day. Yeah, right. I ate all 8 of them. Amazing, next week I'll be all high spirits and no cravings all week!
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Hang in there Gen-seems like a lot of people are posting about having the munchies last weekend and now. I am trying to lower my cals to around 1900 but tonight is not over and chocolate sounds good.
Although I'm not in that situation at the moment, I always remember that keeping things in my desk drawer for 'just in case' would lead to working late one night and finishing everything off. I'd suggest either splitting them up into other packages and just keeping a portion in your desk. Worst case scenario... keep the package in your car.
I find that things like cans of tuna and chicken work for "just in case" in the desk drawer but I'm really not tempted to binge on them.
For planned snacks, as an example, I might take five 1oz portions of nuts to work on Monday - if I do binge and eat three of them on Wednesday afternoon I just go without on Thu & Fri and it all nets out in the week.
I ate like a pig in Paris and only gained 1.5 lbs so I'm happy.
It was really nice to get away but Paris is not my place. I think even if I was really lean I'd feel like a big monster next to the Parisian women. I couldn't help but to compare and judge each one. Not in a mean, judgemental way but in an objective judgemental way. No, really.
They are so unlike me, and most of us here. They obviously don't eat and don't move much, they smoke a lot. Most are really skinny, but I saw a few that were really tiny (no muscle) but with a little muffin top.
I think if I moved there I would easily begin to smoke and develop an eating disorder. I ride the line as it is!
But anyway, the food was great! We stopped at a patissire (bakery) a couple times each day to try something! The crepes with nutella are yummy! The coffee is great!
But I'm glad to be home, and get back to my quest. I'm going to try for a few more weeks and see if I can make any ground on fat loss. Otherwise, I'm going back to running and weights and maintenence calories for a while.
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That sounds exactly how the author describes French women in the book "French Women Don't Get Fat". They are not overly prone to exercise just walk a lot and intuitively eat-if they eat a lot of cals at one meal they cut back at another. Did you go to any bistros or bakeries?
Hurrah for having had a good time & yes you're right on looking at Parisiennes (that's how they spell it I guess) as being from another 'universe'. It's weird how people claim they live so healthily. It's smoking, lots of walking and eating delicious but small amounts of foods & have NO guilt trips about that..
Not everyone is like that.. I have 2 Parisian friends (a couple) who love to eat & cycle to get rid of their surplus intake.. actually right now they are cycling around the world!
Now.. get on with it.. your quest for leanness that is while relishing the lovely weekend.
Glad to see you back, Gen. I've been waiting on your report...lol.
I was in Paris a couple years ago, but I didn't really take time to "inspect" the French woman's eating habits. I did check out the clothes and wasn't necessarily impressed. Heck, it was summer time and all they wore was black.
But breakfast in the hotel every morning was totally divine, yes, the coffee was heavenly.
I've enjoyed the "French Women Don't Get Fat" series of books but the ones I really like to read are "Chic and Slim" by Anne Barone. Her website is fun too. Here's a link.
Hurrah for having had a good time & yes you're right on looking at Parisiennes (that's how they spell it I guess) as being from another 'universe'. It's weird how people claim they live so healthily. It's smoking, lots of walking and eating delicious but small amounts of foods & have NO guilt trips about that..
Not everyone is like that.. I have 2 Parisian friends (a couple) who love to eat & cycle to get rid of their surplus intake.. actually right now they are cycling around the world!
Now.. get on with it.. your quest for leanness that is while relishing the lovely weekend.
Monday I think. Monday. This week has been wierd. Like I said, no motivation and then followed with some stress too.
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Glad to see you back, Gen. I've been waiting on your report...lol.
I was in Paris a couple years ago, but I didn't really take time to "inspect" the French woman's eating habits. I did check out the clothes and wasn't necessarily impressed. Heck, it was summer time and all they wore was black.
But breakfast in the hotel every morning was totally divine, yes, the coffee was heavenly.
I've enjoyed the "French Women Don't Get Fat" series of books but the ones I really like to read are "Chic and Slim" by Anne Barone. Her website is fun too. Here's a link.
Thanks I did a bit of searching too and found that French women are most likely to be in the BMI underweight category, but they don't think they're underweight.
Anyway, yes, thanks to both of you for the extra motivation. I shall try to have faith that this time it really will work. I really am just so tired of not seeing results in line with my efforts. I'm no Etana.
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Plus, my desire to remain stunningly attractive outweighs the call of the cheesecake. mostly...
Frantic binges today. I felt depressed because I wanted to eat and depressed because I wouldn't eat what I wanted. I ate way too much and it wasn't good enough! So then I went to the gym, completely unmotivated. I was really annoyed because I felt like because of the dieting low I lost my exercise excitement. I ended up on the elliptical for 15 minutes at levels 5 and 10 respectively; burned ~150 calories there. Then I went to the treadmill and ran some; for about 35ish minutes; burned ~350 calories there. I feel so much better for it.
Leigh has said, and she said it to me too, that people with thyroid problems tend to get addicted to endorphins. Well, if that's what it is all I have to say is that there are worse things you can be addicted to.
I'm going to focus on eating healthily and running for a few weeks. I'm going to add in a lot of fruit to satisfy my sugar cravings until those die down because since a week before Paris I've had them and it's only gotten worse. I'm at day 30 now in my cycle so that has something to do with it, but I do have to find a way to control myself at PMS times too. Lately, I've been letting the reins go completely whenever I think that AF is on it's way.
Anyway, that's the plan. Emotional balance is most important right now.
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Gee how do I get addicted to endophins? lol I am in TOM right now and hungry too-yesterday & today I had skim iced Cafe Mochas at Starbucks for 150 cals and worked it in my cals for today at least. Yesterday I ate a couple of hundred cals over maintanance but I read somewhere women can burn up to 300 more cals a day during TOM. Sure haven't seen this on my gowearfit though-prolly inaccurate info. I haven't walked today either but just ran errands.
Anyway, yes, thanks to both of you for the extra motivation. I shall try to have faith that this time it really will work. I really am just so tired of not seeing results in line with my efforts. I'm no Etana.
Sorry you're having a rough time with food temptations and lack of motivation to quell the cravings. That's how I've always been in the past. Dieted until 7pm and blew it on grazing all evening. Dieted until 11:30pm and blew it on handfuls of peanuts. Dieted until Saturday and then blew it in the grocery store on cookies. Day after day and week after week. Interspersed with good strong diets with no weight loss.
What's different this time? I dunno exactly. I'm on a mission, got a fire under me. I think I went from WW to Body for Life to Turbulence Training and someone there named Michael on the TT forum told me about Leigh. I like these 8week and 12 week programs. Beginning middle end. Changes set by the program. So OPT was good. Didn't lose, but did lose inches. Got really angry, and had the support system of this forum and Leigh's feedback and writings.
The daily forum and google docs spreadsheet and fitday have become a habit. I think I'm out to prove that I CAN lose weight. That I WILL find the key. Frustration frustration.... I think, there's no point in showing a doctor or Leigh a 20-week history if it is full of cheats. I can say, "All cheats were accounted for; my body is reacting/not reacting; what should I do?"
I said a horrible thing to my Endo when I was leaving and he was giving me the Phent prescription; I said, "I'm dying to lose weight!" UGH, meanwhile my favorite cousin just had her 5th surgery in 20 years for cancer, and I'm saying that about losing 20 stinkin' pounds.. I was molified that the words came out of my mouth.
So I'm rambling, trying to think why I have been so compliant, so hopeful, so patient...
I think when I did REPAIR, and it was a game to hit the calories and to hit the macros, I really liked that game to hit the day's target and no more, and if I was over, to balance it by the end of the week. But it's true, I also wanted to prove something, that eating this and moving thus, would cause this result. And I got caught up in the game.
What will happen in a month or 2, when I'm down another 10 lbs hopefully, and look leaner ... will I get sloppy complacent?
What will happen when I hit maintenance, will it last 1 week, as in the past? And the the Milky Ways and Hostess Twinkies will take over my mind?
I think we are all on this vulnerable path, with food in our face every day every place. And we all deal with the strong times, begin to think we are invulnerable, that we'll never gain it back, and then life happens and we're up 20 lbs. again.
I am in the best mental and food health place I've ever been, and I am grateful for that.
Well, I just wanted to stop by and say thanks for backing me on my fritos and cream cheese sandwiches. At least someone here appreciates my snacking genius, LOL.
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They are so unlike me, and most of us here. They obviously don't eat and don't move much, they smoke a lot. Most are really skinny, but I saw a few that were really tiny (no muscle) but with a little muffin top.
Smoking and drinking coffees at outdoor cafes sound like my idea of a good time, but they're not exactly make for the healthiest lifestyle, either. *sigh* And going back to the frames of Parisian women, I've always read that if you're petite and/or small framed (I'm short), you should seek clothes from France or Japan. And I actually have tried clothing from those nations... I've never felt so big. I know that my frame isn't the hugest or anything, but dang, some of those women are really small.
Theres a new log here called How bad do I really want it? For myself, I just don't know anymore. I'm fighting it, because it has so much to do with my future but more and more I just don't care. I'm not trying really hard with my intake, though I had less than 1400 calories today anyway, and I'm not trying really hard in the gym. I know that if I'm going to eat I should really start lifting heavy again and run hard and all that. I just don't care right now. I ran a bit and burned about 400 calories at the gym today. I should have been able to push a bit harder though.
I need a pep talk. I don't want it because it just doesn't feel acheivable anymore. I need to lose and I need to keep it off. I like exercise but I like to eat. I like good food and I like baking and I like wine. I like to live. I just don't know what to aim for now. I feel lost and without any acheivable goals at all; personal or professional.
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Probably over calories today. Most certainly over calories today actually. Whatever, I'll eat lower tomorrow and gym too.
I had a talk with my husband who said that I'm too hard on myself. Just because I don't feel like doing it now doesn't mean I can't re-group and come back. Obviously I'm not totally gone; I'm still here aren't I?
Oh well.
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Plus, my desire to remain stunningly attractive outweighs the call of the cheesecake. mostly...
This goes along with my previous idea of doing a higher cal day on Wednesday, just a bit, like 1500 to keep me sane. Maybe I will. Although I didn't sleep much last night and I went to the gym and lifted a few weights. Not a lot but ultimately I haven't been lifting much anyway. 
As I said on your log, good luck in the challenge! I would have joined it too, but I didn't feel like I'd found an answer yet. Seems I should have maybe. Next time I will. When I'm done with cutting I'll do a challenge with fitness goals. 
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