Ah, but my burn is rarely 2k without significant effort expended... if I don't make a point of moving a LOT (on purpose, so purposeful NEAT?) I hit 1700-1800. Bleh. Thus my slow-as-molasses loss even on 14-1500 kcals/day...
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When I first got into running, I went for a long run and didn't realize there was a rest-stop about 2/10 of a mile further up the trail... I was cramping up badly and turned back but couldn't make it to the car (I think it was about an 8-9 mile run, total)... Ended up in the woods - let's just say it was NOT a pretty sight. Ick. I think I had on shorts and pants and ended up discarding the shorts in the woods...
My point is little hamster that I think it is YOU who are on the REALLY off freakishly slow side. I used to think I was really high burn but I don't think that anymore in looking at all the other chicas. Wait, did I not read that you had some really normal (2K plus) burn days on your vacation? All you did was walk around and stand right?
LOL at your story. I have heard that one a thousand times. Haven't yet had the trouble though... (Knocking on wood here)
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LOL!! Funny that you say that Sherman nearly knocked me over which is why I even noticed that the coyote was out there. He ran square into my calf and stepped on the back of my heel. Sherman never does that so I was not prepared. I told him it was okay and then I got him to speed up and chase the coyote so that we were pacing him. It was very cool...
But this reminds me of another thing that happened one day we were out in the yard doing some gardening and I saw this big shadow looming towards me. I looked up and about 30-40 feet overhead was this Giant HUNK'N bald eagle. He was close enough that you could hear his wings flap. No doubt in my mind that Sherman was at least in his radar. I don't think it likely for an eagle to snatch a 23lb dog but I still put the doggie in the house for a little while. I love Mother Nature and the farm.....
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In honor of my first run I have created a new AVI and included my running partner Sherman the Schnauzer. The run was incredible and as awesome as I ever remember runs being. The air was cool and the sun was out. Mother Nature was spectacular like only she can be on the run. At one point we were running this long stretch on the rural highway and in the vast fields next to us was a coyote running pace with us. He was in pursuit of something.
We seem to be getting a number of coyote sightings around here lately. Not specifically where I am, but within 30 miles on two different sides. You forget that although we live in the city, there's still plenty of wild animals around. Glad that you enjoyed your run though.
Karla, how did you start running with Sherman? Did you start with short distances and work up? I'd love to run with my dog but I don't know how it would go. He has to pee and sniff everything and I don't know that I could get him to keep a steady pace. He NEVER seems to run out of energy.
we see our local coyote pair every so often, singly or together - more often we see their scat or evidence that they nabbed one of the bunnies - you can tell when the dogs get the scent though, they have a different interest than when it is just a new dog.
Karla, how did you start running with Sherman? Did you start with short distances and work up? I'd love to run with my dog but I don't know how it would go. He has to pee and sniff everything and I don't know that I could get him to keep a steady pace. He NEVER seems to run out of energy.
Sherman is a dog like none other in my life. I adopted him about 3 years ago while I was doing jury duty in the small rural county where I live. He was about 8 years at the time and clearly had no clue what being indoors was about. He did not know what toys where or furniture or not to pee indoors. LOL! He also had this obvious and sad fear of male people and distrust of people in general.
Today he not only lies on the beds and couches throughout my home, but has learned that pillows are nice for heads. He lies in the middle of my bed every night and then growls at me when I move him. LOL! He has a filled toybox and his toys are everywhere and he seems to love and trust everyone now. Most especially he loves me and trusts me and that bond is strong and obvious.
I the beginning I started just walking him everywhere and taking him everywhere. We walked downtown, out in the country, in the suburbs near my office, in Farmers Markets. Today he comes to my guitar lessons and lies at my feet, in the Volvo waiting area he lies at my feet, and same for all my home visits and also to cafes and other dog friendly places. In all of this "doing" of stuff together he became accustomed to the leash and to following me. In this relationship, I am clearly the "pack leader". He is natural follower and was in search of his leader his whole life. He is happy to be in my pack and to please.
So when it was time to try running with him it was just natural for us. He follows, I lead just like when we walk. Of course there are times when I allow him to have the full 16 feet of line and go explore and sniff and pee on everything and all of that doggie stuff but that is not all the time. It is used as reward. When I am on narrow rural roads around my house I keep his leash to about 4 feet or so and he runs in the shoulder and I on the road. It works out well except he really doesn't seem to have the stamina to run much faster than 10 min miles or farther than 4 miles at a time.
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I wish -oh- how I wish - I could eat those calories each day. But, I'd have a heckuva time running more than 3 miles at a time, too, so perhaps the ease at which you expend energy has much more to do with body type in relation to metabolism, compared to say, Bytsi or I?
What can I read to help me fill in these blanks?
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But this reminds me of another thing that happened one day we were out in the yard doing some gardening and I saw this big shadow looming towards me. I looked up and about 30-40 feet overhead was this Giant HUNK'N bald eagle. He was close enough that you could hear his wings flap.
Reminds me of the time we were selling the lot next door. DH dumped a bunch of fish carcasses in the river out back. (Gross, but where else to dump them? At least the crabs can eat em.) We were quite happily surprised when the prospective buyers showed up, and a bald eagle snatched one of those carcasses up, flew to the tree right next to us and chowed down. Amazing sight, so close up.
Yup. They bought it!
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I wish -oh- how I wish - I could eat those calories each day. But, I'd have a heckuva time running more than 3 miles at a time, too, so perhaps the ease at which you expend energy has much more to do with body type in relation to metabolism, compared to say, Bytsi or I? What can I read to help me fill in these blanks?
Ah but is it really so phisiologically different or is it a different mindset? I read somewhere that we are all within a few hundred calories a day of each other by nature. If I remember correctly Bytsi burned 2300 cals or better on her days at Disneyland putting her at only 100 cals away from my normal daily burn. And if I read her log correctly that was a pretty active day for her.
I am high energy by practice and perhaps also by nature but not only by nature. I actively try to bring NEAT in my life. I park in the back of parking lots, walk back and forth briskly to the kitchen at work many times during the day, walk briskly at lunch and do meetings on the walk many times too. One of the best things I did recently was that I got rid of my TV. No more laying around for an hour or even hours in the evening. Instead I go outside and walk or garden or practice my guitar or do chores... If I play on the internet I usually am cooking or doing something else (AKA moving). I pace when I am at work and at my desk a lot of times. I stand or pace in classes and lectures. Part of this is my type A personality and part of this is me being mindful of making my body move. It's weird.... If I allow my body to be still, it wants to just lie around all day long. If I make it move, it wants to move more. It seems to want more of what I give it so I am mindful to give it movement.
Post your question on the Fat Loss forum and see what Leigh and other more knowledgable peeps have to say for best resources on the subject. I don't know. I only know that the burn rate that you have is uniquely yours and you can affect it by changing your activity. Beyond that it is a balance of activity and food and finding the balance that you can live with while still realizing your goals.
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I really think that is it Karla, lots of extra NEAT that I know I am not getting. I think you are more energetic than I am and probably just busier over all, running around to get things done. While that is something I certainly have control over, sitting in a chair knitting or reading for a few hours at a time is part of how I love my life. So, I can choose to not do those things and be more active and burn more calories or I can choose to sit on my butt and just love what I'm doing and say ah, screw the NEAT. Then there are the days I'm working on a project at work that keeps me glued to my seat, and I've burned so few calories during that time, that no amount of after work NEAT is going to give me a decent burn. When I got home from work last night my bf invited me to go grocery shopping with him. I'd done my shopping the day before but I went with him anyway all in the interest of NEAT--I even told him I only went with him for the extra calorie burn. I think perhaps all the moving around you do in your life also suits your personality.
Here's the answer.. it's interesting what you write = wanting to not move if you allow the body to not move and wanting more of it when you do allow for it.
Personally, I probably made the biggest change about 2 years ago, when I decided, to not simply take my bike for inner city errands but to walk everywhere. So, instead of being where I needed to be in just 5 minutes, it takes me at least twice as much time and.. I have to carry everything on my back or even in my hands, rather than having the weight supported by the bicycle. BIG difference.
At the time I actually didn't think of NEAT but thought to increase fitness level this way. Turns out the impact on total calorie burn was much larger than anticipated.
Most days I am also quite active indoor as I work from home and pack up parcels upstairs but keep at least half of the stock downstairs (due to limited storage capacity).. it all adds up. Not having a tv, dishwasher or clothes-dryer helps with NEAT too . Now just get rid of the internet addiction.
By contrast, I'm no longer cycling much at all and use my car for even moderate distances that I used to say about they were too short to even consider driving. Used to log at least 5000 miles on the bicycle, but then again was often too tired do much NEAT at all on week days)
Ah but is it really so phisiologically different or is it a different mindset? I read somewhere that we are all within a few hundred calories a day of each other by nature....
This makes sense, as we're all the same species, but it seems to me that different body types (endo, meso, ecto - morphics) all have naturally different metabolisms, perhaps because of... genetically pre-programmed activity levels and needs??? http://www.dummies.com/how-to/conten...body-type.html
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Part of this is my type A personality and part of this is me being mindful of making my body move...
So, maybe being a Type A, foot-wiggling ectomorph, who craves endurance activities like I believe you are and do, genetically (biologically? physiologically?) programs you for a certain daily burn? Where perhaps Type B mesomorphs who are naturally more... calm, and fitness-wise crave HIIT type activities, such as myself, have to consciously, constantly focus on fighting genetic programming (and lifestyle preferences) to reach our fat-loss goals ...
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Post your question on the Fat Loss forum and see what Leigh and other more knowledgable peeps have to say for best resources on the subject.
Good idea. But being the lazy meso I am, I'll copy/paste. .
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... I only know that the burn rate that you have is uniquely yours and you can affect it by changing your activity. Beyond that it is a balance of activity and food and finding the balance that you can live with while still realizing your goals.
Amen, sister.
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Just an FYI RE body types and me and your assumptions... I became obese simply by not moving and eating too much. I became skinny fat by doing endurance activities and eating too little. Everyone says I am an ecto now because I have lowish body fat and so it must be some gift I have for it. I don't think that is true. I would call me a meso pretty squarely. My body works pretty "by the book". If I add 400 or more calories to my daily burn I gain .376lbs a week. If I take that manay calories away, I will realize the loss. No magic or weird stuff so far. I think that is the very definition of a meso right?
That said I am pretty Type A and as such will push myself beyond my body's general williness to work. I think that absolutely gives me an edge in this game but that is more mental than phisioloical. In fact the more I do this body recomp thing, the more I realize how important the mental aspect is.
Last night I went from work and a very challenging meeting to the gym. The news from the meeting had knocked the wind out of me. A result of this was that I simply did not have the strength or heart to push weights around like I know I need to. I could go through exercises and still lift somewhat heavy but that is all. To set PRs (get into a "zone")and to progress, I need to have my mind into the work and in a big way. Same with the running. On Sunday when I started my run there were about 3 or 4 excuses screaming at me. Everything seemed to be telling me to stop and give it up. On this day my mind was stronger and I pushed through and into the "zone" More times than not folks, I have to dig deep to exercise and workout hard.
So I believe the mind works together with or against the body and the more the mind can push through challenges, the better.... That is what type A people are good at. Pushing through...
There are a lot of circumstances in peoples' lives that prevent the mind from pushing through. I do not have a lot of these circumstances as a single person with relatively stress free home life. I live pretty much for me and can focus on me now. Big difference in how focused I can be. I think this is WAY more the cause of my results than my physicial body type. In fact I think that overall our mental "type" is more influencial in this game than anything.
But this is all me just talking out my ass. I don't have any sort of background or study on this... Just my own gut feel.
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And that gut feeling is very much like how I think it works for the majority of people, except for genuine problems with thyroid , adrenalin issues and then a simple impossiblity to move much because of injuries in which case you can still diet, unless you need to eat up for recovery.
You're right that some of us are just in a different place. When I push through with my mind, then my patella tends to follow suit and push through the fascia and run for the hills. Or the hip does the same. Or the shoulder.
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I think that's exactly it Karla ... and you are at a place in your life that you have the "luxury" (of time/resources) to do those things. And that makes it easier. Before I got married, I was much more active and had the energy to stay busy/active because I had no worries for anyone but myself. Food was also easier ... I only had myself to feed, so it was easy to avoid trigger foods and easier to weigh/track/measure everything.
For those who are still responsible for persons other than themselves (like kids) it becomes a tug-of-war ... do something for myself like go for a walk OR give the kids a bath. Then at the end of the day, you are exhausted and just want to sit and read or knit or watch TV. (Or you fall into bed at 8:00 pm ... )
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There are a lot of circumstances in peoples' lives that prevent the mind from pushing through. I do not have a lot of these circumstances as a single person with relatively stress free home life. I live pretty much for me and can focus on me now. Big difference in how focused I can be. I think this is WAY more the cause of my results than my physicial body type. In fact I think that overall our mental "type" is more influencial in this game than anything.
But this is all me just talking out my ass. I don't have any sort of background or study on this... Just my own gut feel.
Just wanted to chime in and say I totally agree with you. Since becoming single again and living by myself for the past 10 months or so, living pretty much for me without too much stress, I have been able to make the biggest strength and physical changes I have experienced in many years of lifting. That's not to say that I enjoy being alone or anything, but in terms of being focused and reaching your goals it helps alot.
Oh that's right.... I promised to keep the log updated. Well last few days have been BORING! My weight is staying the same and workouts are so-so. I did not have a lot of heart or strength last two times in there. I am bored.
I asked Alan if we could start my cut early and he declined that request so.... sigh.... Looks like I just wait around a few more days....
Funny gym story. I am doing my upper 9-12 rep workout today and I got pretty swole. I picked up the 50lb db for a few presses and started to walk over to my bench when I recoginzed a coworker coming towards me. We stopped and exhcanged some conversation. He had 20lb dbs in his hands I stood there with 50s and a pump. I felt like a monster next to him. He is a skinny guy. LOL! This is my week for skinny guys.
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I was helping a female co-worker with a bad back get water for our office water cooler and carried both the jugs (40 lbs each or so) quite a distance (in heels no less) and I walked in and all the guys had that look like "aahhh should I help...errr she seems to handle those okay....maybe she doesn't need help" I get a kick out of it.
Interesting discussion re: body types and lifestyles. I know things will change for me once we have kids, too. But right now my DH is pretty much gone most week nights and has grad school on weekends so I am left with lots of free time to cook my own food and lots of time to workout as I please. Although it would be nice to see him more, it is nice to have the time to focus on me.
I'm almost an empty-nester (Son is 25 and while he still lives at home he is self sufficient and barely here - will be moving out soon as he is currently looking to buy a house!) so I have plenty of time to do what I want/need. DH is also on the healthy bandwagon, so my workouts aren't viewed as cutting into "us" time and food requests (since he does the cooking) are usually met with acceptance. He's my biggest cheerleader, too!
I can't IMAGINE trying to keep up with the workouts and the cooking and the everything-else with little ones running around!
The best thing for me about being an empty nester was being able to walk around the house naked and watch sports in my underwear. Of course that may be why my wife is divorcing me!
I had lunch today with an associate who I haven't seen in almost 2 years. You should have seen her face when she saw me. Her eyes grew wide and her mouth dropped. I am standing there thinking, "WTF?" but then I remembered. She hadn't seen me since my big transformation. She tripped totally out and would not stop asking me questions about it and talking about it. She said I looked younger and that I had not only lost weight but got stronger and firmer. She said she was unsure how to describe it exactly because it wasn't just a weight loss. For nearly two hours I heard about how my skin looks better, I am healthier looking over, etc, etc...
It has been a long time since I had hung out with anyone who has not seen me in awhile so this was nice. My parents are coming to visit in middle of March and they have not seen me since last year. It will be interesting to see if they notice any difference. This whole transformation thing is pretty cool.
On the progress side of things.... things are slow. Scale is staying almost exactly on 135.4 lbs. I am anxious to get on with fat loss. Alan is holding the reins. I am okay with it though because I think I am moving even though the scale is not saying anything. I don't feel as bloated as I did when I first started this and I look a bit different. Everybody keeps telling me how good I look right now. Almost makes me want to stick on this plan for some time.
Nahhhh... Not nearly as much fun as the cut. BRING IT ON BABAY!!
I will soon eat my pre-workout meal and the go to the gym. Tonight is legs, tomorrow is upper and the 1st is just around the corner.
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Welp transition weeks are officially over. Got word from Alan that I will recieve my formal cut plan some time today. I am just waiting now for that.
I learned in the past two weeks how the concept of a formal transition phase is actually good for the body despite how "boring" they are. When Alan took me off my bulking calories into these maintain calorie levels my body felt like it was going into shock. I could not believe it. Here I am eating 2400 cals a day and yet my body was crying and whining for more food. Then after the first 4 days or so I started to get into the swing of the lower calories and now I am fully onboard with the calories. My scale weight is staying the same but my body doesn't look as soft anymore and I am pretty comfy. I no longer have hunger nor am I overfull. It is a pretty nice place to be. Now it will be pretty reasonable (I think) for me to drop more calories and to hit it harder. I feel much more prepared now.
On a completely different note, I went to the symphony to watch Itzhak Perlman in concert. Talk about an inspirational man. First of all he is truly a world-class musician in every way. His phrasing, timing, etc is so amazing. He lead the Oregon symphony orchestra to their highest level I have ever heard them play. I wish it could have gone on forever. But besides all of that he has polio (I believe it is polio) and when he comes out on the stage it is with his crutches. He comes out with great labor for each step. It is amazing to watch him slowly make his way across the stage in front of nearly 4 thousand people. As an audience member you are so inspired by his amazing courage and strenth. It is hard to desribe the feeling as I watched him on crutches overcoming not only this disability but to rise above to a world-class level in his field. I have a new appreciation for my own health this day and also a new level of courage to face my own fears. Wow, what a concert!
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Wow! These are great videos to hear how he has matured over the years. Listen to him in the Chaconne... OMG! I am completely taken away by this version of that piece....
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