I did do Yoga for awhile but I find it painfully useless. Perhaps I need to continue seeking a teacher who is good? I don't know. I just never felt the benefit that people all rave about AND I hate it and it is boring. Still, I have plenty of time to investigate it again it seems...
A big part of me is still hoping the ortho was just plain wrong.
Honestly, then you weren't doing the right kind of yoga.
What certification did your instructor have?
What style class was it?
Remember that yoga is also about learning to find your "edge" and learning to let go. It's about quieting your mind and just "being" in the moment. And for some people it is really hard to do those things.
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Wow, there's been a lot going on in here. Sorry to hear about your troubles Karla. I know how much inactivity will drive you a little crazy. However, you know that it's what will be best for you in the long run. I hope things go well.
My schedule is pretty flexible. I'll be in Pasadena on Aug. 15 & 16th. My triathlon is on Sunday, the 16th, but Saturday is flexible and there is always Monday. I might be doing a Muddy Run one of other weekends. x2 on the condo near the beach!
Honestly, then you weren't doing the right kind of yoga.
What certification did your instructor have?
What style class was it?
Remember that yoga is also about learning to find your "edge" and learning to let go. It's about quieting your mind and just "being" in the moment. And for some people it is really hard to do those things.
but have been to a couple of others too. Honestly, I just find it stupid. Isn't Meditation about quieting your mind and "being" in the moment? That I don't mind doing but not in some class where there are sweaty people all farting and making distractions. Yoga is neither exercise nor meditation to me. I am not trying to be a smart ass but I just cannot connect to it and its purpose. I actually leave the classes pissed off many times and in a worse state of mind than when I entered. It frustrates me.
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Wow, there's been a lot going on in here. Sorry to hear about your troubles Karla. I know how much inactivity will drive you a little crazy. However, you know that it's what will be best for you in the long run. I hope things go well.
Hey Anne! I am entering this one in a place so much better than before that I have high hopes! I am actually not hating the down time. I am making pretty good use of it I think and my body is really happy. I am finally getting the muscles to chill out and I can now move all my joints without all the cracking and creaking.
I am studying for my cert for work and crusing CL to find good stuff. Today I landed 2 45lb dbs and 2 25lb dbs for 20 bucks total! Woohoo! Am also searching for another investment property either here or potentially in the LA area.
Somehow I have been losing weight despite eating pretty much what I was eating when I was working out. (I know, I am a bitch...) Alan says it is glycogen leaving my lazy muscles rather than fat and he told me to cut my cals a bit. I did so and am down nearly a whole lb today. Hmmm.... More glycogen? A fluke? It doesn't really make any sense to me to be dropping weight like this unless my body was not burning due to being overworked? It will be interesting to see if my body hangs on to this burn or if it will stabalize and/or go up again once I start to work out.
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That I don't mind doing but not in some class where there are sweaty people all farting and making distractions.
That's pretty much our Sunday afternoons here -- what's not relaxing about that?
Oh, and the movie is Road House. It's a classic of American cinema, and how it didn't clean up at the Oscars in 1990 still astounds me. Driving Miss Daisy? Glory? Born on the Fourth of July? Puffball films.
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Your weight dropping is probably some excess water leaving your body, not so much the glycogen, though it practically is almost the same thing.. every gram of carb hangs on to 3-4 grams of water.
DOMS or muscle soreness is really inflammation and as you probably know, inflammation comes with swelling. Now your muscles are relaxing, no chilling (love that word chilling ) some of that excess water comes off. You may find that they appear a bit flatter now = less pumped. That's your wt loss right there.
BTW, am really loving your positive attitude.. something we (or I) should really strive to copy. Also.. can understand your frustration with yoga. A lot of poses are quite hard to achieve when you have a problem with balance and the sessions I've been following mostly were attended by quite a lot of people (none farted) which makes focus on yourself really hard, especially when you're constantly watching the yoga teacher for cues how to do poses.
Frankly, the very first time I ever did yoga, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in gymnasium, when I was 15 or 16 was almost the only time I ever had a Zen moment out of it.. probably because the session lasted nearly 2 hrs and everything was done very slowly with especially a lot of focus on the meditational aspect. Ever since when I attended a yoga session, my mind was racing too much to ever again achieve that 'Zen' thing.
My DB (very surprisingly for a farmer) has done both yoga and tai chi.. he seems to prefer the latter & has recommended it to me.. maybe because there's less hype around tai chi? Wondering what Julie's opinion is?
Actually, I don't find anything physically about yoga hard. You do the poses to the ability that your body can do them. So far the beginner and even the intermediate classes I have taken did not really challenging me on a physical level. the teachers have all been impressed with what I could do given that I was a newb. Of course I can improve in the flexibility as can everyone but the physical (endurance) part wasn't hard. The ortho (btw) was very complimentary of my hip and overall flexibility. That was pretty cool given that I don't really work so much on that aspect specifically.
WRT positive attitude, I am really trying. Alan sent me mail last night in response to my ortho's report and said my show was off my calender too now. I don't understand this but I don't feel like I am in any position to argue right now. Apparently he and David had a talk and it was agreed in that conversation. Last night I cried alligator tears in the middle of the night. I woke up at 1:30AM and just sobbed myself back to sleep. The positive attitude is all a front.
Okay... so am asking for opinions/help now. Next Tuesday I meet Clay who is destined to be yet another physical therapy trainer/influence in my life. It is very important that we work as well as possible as soon as possible so I can get better. So far there is a cycle that happens with me and trainers that goes as follows...
1. I explain up front that I do not feel pain
2. They claim they understand this
3. I take them at their word and I trust them and their judgement
4. We start working together and I run into a wall of some sort
5. They are surprised that I don't feel pain (or at least the extent)
6. Adjustments take place
7. Now we can really make progress and start working together
I realize that this thing is an anomaly and that I am a liability as a result of it and I try to put these things out there as clearly as I can up front as a disclosure. Still it seems that the severity of my problem is not realized until after I prove that I am pain insensitive via some sort of crash. Even David had to run me into a wall to believe it and he was told very specifically by my first physical therapist who I was and what I was about. My first therapist was the one who coined the phrase, "Her pain meter is broken" So even having one of them call another doesn't seem to relay the message correctly. I am working really hard to try to learn limitations and good judgement for me on my own so that I have an internal monitor. I am getting better and better but I still am not there. In the meanwhile I have to rely on some of these experts to help me. What can I do to stress this unique problem to these guys in a way so that we can avoid all the steps 3-6? Is there some sort of medical name for this thing that I can use? I really don't want to go through these steps with the new PT guy over the next months....
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Karla, the concept of not feeling any pain is an anomaly and maybe while we understand it theoretically it is exceedingly hard to understand and work with?
What can I do to stress this unique problem to these guys in a way so that we can avoid all the steps 3-6? Is there some sort of medical name for this thing that I can use? I really don't want to go through these steps with the new PT guy over the next months....
Perhaps you could take a blunt object and stike them with it until they understand!
Karla, the concept of not feeling any pain is an anomaly and maybe while we understand it theoretically it is exceedingly hard to understand and work with?
I realize this.... It is becoming more and more obvious to me that this is damn hard to explain. Just trying to see if anyone else has heard of it or if there is some way I can get all of us on the same page right up front. Alan says he has heard of it in some top MMA fighters. It is sort of a mix of fearlessness combined with really high tolerance for pain. This is the VERY reason why I don't do MMA or boxing even though I sort of want to. I know I would get hurt doing that.
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Perhaps you could take a blunt object and stike them with it until they understand!
HA HA! Somehow I don't think that would do it. Perhaps if I shot them with novicane then hit them until they were injured and did not know it....? Hmmmm.....
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Maybe your former PT could give you some talking points and/or give your new PT a call to break the ice?
This is a GREAT idea Lisa! Even though David did crash me, he was so much more aware of who I was after talking to the PT. I will contact him to see if he can help me.
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Thanks Dianas... Portland is sort of boiling right now. I think it is around 104 at the highest prediction today. It is sort of ridiculous. How are you guys hang'n up there?
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I realize this.... It is becoming more and more obvious to me that this is damn hard to explain. Just trying to see if anyone else has heard of it or if there is some way I can get all of us on the same page right up front. Alan says he has heard of it in some top MMA fighters. It is sort of a mix of fearlessness combined with really high tolerance for pain. This is the VERY reason why I don't do MMA or boxing even though I sort of want to. I know I would get hurt doing that.
I don't know if I'll shed any additional light on this, but I think there are certain personality types that are predisposed to a high level of pain tolerance. While I have a limited perception of you (I've only started reading your log recently), you strike me as quite strong-willed, hehehehe. That, along with other personality and physical factors probably contributed to all of this happening.
My dh is of the stubborn, strong-willed mold and I notice that he's able to take quite a bit of physical punishment. His mom and sister have told me that when he was a kid, whenever he'd get into a fight w/his older brother, dh would always win because he'd get to the point where his brother thought he'd doled out MORE than enough, and was worried he'd seriously injure him. So his older bro would stop right then and there, and dh got his victory. Fast forward years later, and in Army combatives training, dh's instructors had to constantly encourage him to tap out if things got too intense. They also saw that quality, where he was so relentless in his drive to succeed that he may hurt himself in the process. He's mentioned before that he doesn't really feel the pain and discomfort in physically stressful and demanding situations, and that it takes a lot before it registers with him. I don't know if that is your experience, but what you're saying about the pain thing, in a way, makes sense to me.
Makes a lot of sense. I don't know if Karla also feels like this when she is not stressed at all but 'chilling'. If she also doesn't feel pain when 'chilling' then it's more of a genetic anomaly. Not feeling pain when stressed to the max is quite universal.. most women couldn't endure childbirth otherwise (or so I'm told)
I'm also thinking that if there are certain folks who are in a constantly "stressed out" state, that would seriously impair the pain response over a period of time. Karla's had so much going on during the past year, and something, somewhere, was the tipping point.
Now I'm beginning to see the wisdom of those yoga instructors when they tell folks that learning to "relax at will" is one of the most critical skills you can master. Karla, I can sympathize, because I've taken yoga classes before and they seemed to do little for me as well. In fact, they drive me batty sometimes, LOL. Thanks for opening up about this, because this has been an eye-opening lesson to me.
Not feeling pain when stressed to the max is quite universal.. most women couldn't endure childbirth otherwise (or so I'm told)
I remember a while ago (maybe years) reading an article about how there was a higher percentage of women who died from heart problems on major holidays (Thanksgiving, Christmas, etc.). The theory was that since women's heart problems didn't always present like the typical 'stabbing pain' (found a list):
Most heart attacks start slowly with mild pain or discomfort. Here are the symptoms of heart attack in women:
Shortness of breath. May occur with or without chest discomfort.
Nausea and light-headedness
Flu-like symptoms, including chills and cold sweats
Heart palpitations
Chest discomfort (angina): pain, tightness or pressure in the center of the chest that lasts more than a few minutes, or that goes away and comes back
Discomfort in other areas, including pain or discomfort in: one or both arms (especially the left arm), the back, between the shoulder blades, neck, jaw or stomach
Heartburn or indigestion
Extreme fatigue
So during big family functions some of the symptoms got written off as being overworked from all the preparations.
Thanks Dianas... Portland is sort of boiling right now. I think it is around 104 at the highest prediction today. It is sort of ridiculous. How are you guys hang'n up there?
It's 104 right now at the Puyallup weather station. Earlier today I believe it was close to 106. Dogs are miserable. The heat doesn't bother me as much as it does my hubby and daughter though.
Right now there's a breeze coming in though. I don't think it'll cool things off though.
Thanks Dianas... Portland is sort of boiling right now. I think it is around 104 at the highest prediction today. It is sort of ridiculous. How are you guys hang'n up there?
Wow, that's crazy. Our heat wave broke and we maxed at 100 today and it felt wonderful. A couple of weeks at 104-108 and 100 feels like spring. Also, though, you've got more humidity, I imagine. It is dry and breezy here and just doesn't feel bad at all. That's today. This weekend I could barely move I was so miserable.
It's 104 right now at the Puyallup weather station. Earlier today I believe it was close to 106. Dogs are miserable. The heat doesn't bother me as much as it does my hubby and daughter though.
Right now there's a breeze coming in though. I don't think it'll cool things off though.
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Wow, that's crazy. Our heat wave broke and we maxed at 100 today and it felt wonderful. A couple of weeks at 104-108 and 100 feels like spring. Also, though, you've got more humidity, I imagine. It is dry and breezy here and just doesn't feel bad at all. That's today. This weekend I could barely move I was so miserable.
Heat is finally starting to subside today. I am a "lizard" so actually enjoy the 107 degree days. Sherman suffered a bit more though so I wet him down a lot the past few days in the kitchen sink. LOL! I do have some trouble at night when it doesn't cool down but I have a "swamp cooler" and have actually put it to good use the past few days. Our humidity is not bad compared to places like the East Coast. I think it was pretty consistently in the 50% range the whole while.
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Joyce brings up some excellent points about this with her brother. As I was reading the description of her brother I was thinking that we could be twins. LOL! I remember when I was a child that I was always one of the "star" tackle football players. I never was super athletic (fast wise) or big BUT I was absolutely fearless on the football field and I could tackle the biggest and badest person provided they could not outrun me. It was the sport that I excelled at as a young person. When I got to Junior High School they had rules about girls playing football so I had to switch to softball. I was good at that but not like I was at football. Damn I could tackle. And it is all sort of making sense to me now. I could do that because I did not really feel the pain. I remember the guys being so much more cautious (we played no pads in the neighborhood) and they all admired that I was so badass. LOL!
I had an incredible visit with the chio yesterday. She said that I have an amazing "constitution" and she believes the ortho is flat out wrong in his assessment. She still maintains that my hamstring is tight more than torn and that we will be back in working order faster than the ortho is predicting. She also pointed out to me that while I may not feel pain per se I do have an exceptional amount of body awareness. She says it is far better than most people she sees. I knew (for example) that my right leg was longer than my left leg this week and that this was the first time I had ever felt that. She said she had never seen this on me before yesterday either (normally I am short in the right leg). I also could feel where my pelvis aligned correctly with the pads she was placing under me.
She wants to put me on some natural cortisol stuff as she thinks that is all out of balance on me right now given my previous state. I did not want to buy it from her but promised I would research the stuff. I took down the information from her and will also consult with Alan on that as he dictates my supplements. The interesting thing that I learned from my session with her is that my abnormally low systolic bp reading is a sure sign of overtraining. If this is true, then I will be able to see this in a much more tangible fashion than having to feel it. (good news) the systolic reading has gone up to normal levels since my downtime btw. Hmmmm....
As for me... I do feel pretty darned good. I mean healthy good with no pain. I am being very cautious though as I am on Alieve so that is playing a part in this. This morning I picked up 10lb dbs and did some bench presses with them (3x10). They were heavy to me and I felt tweaked afterwards a bit. So I know that my "good" feeling is not exactly matching what my body is saying and that puts me in a pretty dangerous place. I am also experimenting with bw squats though I am not doing any reps. It still tweaks my knee and hip to do them but I feel that there is some progress since last week anyway.
I had dinner with David last night and he helped me with the words to use for the new PT. He also told me to give him David's number so he can talk to him. He promised to make it clear for the guy up front so that he doesn't run me into a wall. He says the best way to describe this is that I have some neurological dysfunction and possibly even CNS whereby I have a excpetionally high tolerance for pain. He also told me to stress to him that I also have a strong will. I think THAT part will likely come out. LOL!
Last week at dinner he told me that I have the will of a 300lb Huge Swedish guy in my 125lb frame. He sad the saddest part of that is that somewhere in Sweden is this 300lb Huge Swedish guy with the will of a 125lb 46-year-old woman....
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Last week at dinner he told me that I have the will of a 300lb Huge Swedish guy in my 125lb frame. He sad the saddest part of that is that somewhere in Sweden is this 300lb Huge Swedish guy with the will of a 125lb 46-year-old woman....
(just like your remark in my log )
Good news all around actually, at least from your chiro. Not so much that you're still not strong but what's to be expected so fast. I sincerely hope she is right about your hamstrings just being extremely tight & not torn.
Was that cortisol-lowering supp PS-100 (phosphatidylserine) ? It's a fairly hot seller right now.
But.. just sayin' that carbs (during a workout) lower cortisol just as well.. back in my VLC days I'd never ever feel pain from DOMS.. now nearly every time.
This morning I picked up 10lb dbs and did some bench presses with them (3x10). They were heavy to me and I felt tweaked afterwards a bit. So I know that my "good" feeling is not exactly matching what my body is saying and that puts me in a pretty dangerous place. I am also experimenting with bw squats though I am not doing any reps. It still tweaks my knee and hip to do them but I feel that there is some progress since last week anyway.
I won't say anything about the bodyweight squats, but, did anyone tell you it was okay to start dumbbell bench presses? Hmmm, I think not. Yes, I know that 20lbs total is 'life' kind of weights to be picking up, but still...
(I'm thinking that Alan needs to call David and have him remove her weights!)
Was that cortisol-lowering supp PS-100 (phosphatidylserine) ? It's a fairly hot seller right now.
It is called pregnenolone and DHEA. She said she could also put me on a synthetic cortisol of some sort if I want. I am not sure this makes sense after reading up on it but will consult with Alan to see what he says. (I owe him a log anyway)
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Interesting I didn't know that a drop in BP could be a sign of overtraining. I also hope your hamstring is just strained and not torn.
Me either. I notice that it was dropping the past couple of months. I logged some freakishly low BP readings here at work. (both numbers in the 60's) Now my systolic is around 110-118 so it is on the rise. It could be a fluke but it sure is following what she said...
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Flexibility? I don't need no stinking yoga! I can put my foot behind my head! Of course, I have to take my leg off first.
HA HA HA HA. I am afraid I cannot do that quite so easily. Thankfully!
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(I'm thinking that Alan needs to call David and have him remove her weights!)
Shit... DELETE, DELETE, DELETE! Actually good point Anne but I have to stretch and test things out a bit. I actually am starting to get a LOT more flexibility starting today. I have been able to get into a nice ATG squat several times today and it was comfy all the way around. I can also stand on my supposedly injured leg (keep it straight) and bend over to touch the floor. I am feeling nothing. How can it possibly be that I have a grade 2 strain? Could the Alieve really be so good? I am thinking the chiro is right here. I know I ain't 100% but I don't have to do nothing right now either. If I keep things ridiculously light over the weekend I can perhaps make some gains before the appt with the PT.
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I had my guitar lesson on Sat which is a 1.5 hour marathon playing and learning event. This past week I made it for 20 minutes and had to stand up due to the pain and discomfort in my back, shoulders and hip. I could not get comfortable even standing so my teacher instructed me to lie on the carpet on my back. This made things pretty bearable for me and allowed me to relax. While I was there my teacher told me a story.
He said that a football coach was once asked why football teams only play one time a week. The coach went on to describe the life of his athletes during game season.
1. Game is on Sunday
2. On Monday-Wed there is active recovery/rest as the players feel like they have been in a car accident. The active recovery included whirlpools, stretching, massage, foam rolling, etc.
3. Thr-Sat is planning, practice, game prep
He went into much more detail as I remember it BUT the point of his telling me this came at the end. He said to me that I train more towards the athlete than the causual gym goer or general fitness person. So he asked me what my active recovery strategy was for my program? I had none. In fact my rest days where anything but restful even. His point hit me pretty good.
I discussed this concept with David over dinner last night who subsequently laughed at the idea that I would have to have the word, "active" assigned to my rest days in order to wrap my head around it. He also encouraged me to consider doing cold/hot water therapy. I already have the hottub and only need to get the cold one going. I HATE cold water so cannot really imagine it but perhaps I'll try it with my bath tub or something just to see.
I also found a bunch of good articles on this topic. I think that in NROLK (New Rules of Lifting for Karla) we need to add something about Active Recovery. Alan said we were going to potentially modify these rules to be more careful and this one might be a good one for us. Still thinking on it but a good thing to consider I think...
) some of that excess water comes off. You may find that they appear a bit flatter now = less pumped. That's your wt loss right there. 
Last night I cried alligator tears in the middle of the night. I woke up at 1:30AM and just sobbed myself back to sleep. The positive attitude is all a front. 
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