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Old 04-08-2009, 11:00 AM   #301 (permalink)
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LOL, no wasn't argueing against you by saying that you should have eaten more, or maybe I was.. but just pointing out that there's a website for this so I've just punched in a few lines and looked what it came up with.
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I know you weren't arguing anything and the facts are what they are. I am sure that Alan is aware of the facts as well we are. Personally, I think I should have and could have eaten more for that day. At some point though it get convoluted with variables and we miss the forest for the trees. I think that is the beauty in this approach. So net is that the method we are taking is okay too even though it felt badly yesterday. The reward is mine soon.... In fact I think I will claim victory now...

Today I have abs! Linea ulba and some inscriptions are starting to show as well. Last year I saw this at about 125 lbs or so. Today I am seeing it at 132 lbs. I am comfortable that I put on at least 5lbs of MEAT baby!!! Wooo hoooo!!!

Now I will have this problem where I cannot pass a mirror without looking at my abs. LOL!
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I don't think this is a problem until you start doing it in store fronts or walk into something when checking yourself out.
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Yay for visible abs!
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Tanks for the spelling correction. Normally I look it up but was pressed for time this morning. Okay... Was lazy... and LOL at walking into something. It could happen. I know one day I am going to get caught admiring them in the ladies room.... LOL!
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I know you weren't arguing anything and the facts are what they are. I am sure that Alan is aware of the facts as well we are. Personally, I think I should have and could have eaten more for that day. At some point though it get convoluted with variables and we miss the forest for the trees. I think that is the beauty in this approach.
Part of it is psychological too, as a gradual exposure to new feelings, stimuli and fuel-levels.

Even if the net impact of that day is less than a half-pound, it helped you prove to yourself that you can get through those days. Next time will be easier. Then you have mental capacity to take the next step, which would have been unbearable just weeks earlier.

It's classic torture psychology, used frequently by criminals of war, orthodontists and consultants.
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I don't think this is a problem until you start doing it in store fronts or walk into something when checking yourself out.
Does this mean you now are going to pull your shirt up between sets and check your abs in the mirrors? Totally required during bro-workouts anyway...
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Does this mean you now are going to pull your shirt up between sets and check your abs in the mirrors? Totally required during bro-workouts anyway...
I'd think it'd be more like cutting the bottoms off the shirts so as to reward everyone with a view of her brotastic ript abz. Gives the goods, particularly when flexing, that much quicker.
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Nice progress in here Karla ... I admire you sticking with it even though your brain was screaming at you not to!! I admire your drive and dedication!!
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Part of it is psychological too, as a gradual exposure to new feelings, stimuli and fuel-levels.

Even if the net impact of that day is less than a half-pound, it helped you prove to yourself that you can get through those days. Next time will be easier. Then you have mental capacity to take the next step, which would have been unbearable just weeks earlier.

It's classic torture psychology, used frequently by criminals of war, orthodontists and consultants.
You're absolutely right. I did not think about this benefit before. The worst time so far on this diet (until yesterday) was the transition weeks. I thought I was freak'n going to die. And I was eating a boatload more calories than I am now. My body was just used to being overfed and complained loudly about getting just enough. LOL! The worst is yet to come as I dip down into bf% that are athletic and then sick lean. These days are just little helpers into that time I suppose. Days to help me gain the faith I need to get through the worst.

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I'd think it'd be more like cutting the bottoms off the shirts so as to reward everyone with a view of her brotastic ript abz. Gives the goods, particularly when flexing, that much quicker.
Duh... Don't you guys do this already? I totally pull up my shirt for an ab check whenever my biceps get tired of flexing and I have to put my arms down. The cutoff shirt is only on Sundays.

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Nice progress in here Karla ... I admire you sticking with it even though your brain was screaming at you not to!! I admire your drive and dedication!!
It was actually my belly screaming at me. It is unbelieveable how strong sugar smells in great quantities such as in our cafe during donut day. It is killer tempting... Thanks for your support Julie!
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Waiting, waiting, waiting.... The scale stays the same but that is (more or less) expected at the rate I am dieting. This diet is killing me on a lot of levels. I feel like I am in greater deficit (all the symptoms are there) and yet there is no real quantifyable method of measuring results. Last year I ate around the same cals and lost weight on the scale at a rate of just under 1 lb a week. So what is going on now? Is the bf% going down? What is my bf%? Who the heck knows? And even visually it will change based on water retention and possibly my mind's desire to see change.

I think I am seeing more cuts in the gym mirrors. I think I have abs now and I think things are progressing the way they should be progressing. But there is always lingering doubt. Why or why cannot this go faster? If I could drop 2lbs a week for the next 4 weeks I would be done and over.

I can't believe I have to do this all the way through August!!!!!
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I think I am seeing more cuts in the gym mirrors. I think I have abs now and I think things are progressing the way they should be progressing.

I can't believe I have to do this all the way through August!!!!!
Hang in there Karla! You already have visable abs most would kill for that level of fitness and discipline! You have a solid program and nutrition plan - enjoy the path, August will be here in no time at all.

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You could drop 2lbs a week, if you didn't care about losing lean body mass along with the fat. Stay the course.
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Rant from carb craving cut...

Somehow I now feel better...
OMG I am so with you. Where I work they always have food at staff meetings as an incentive to get people to attend. And I have to serve the residents boatloads of nummy carbs every day. And the cook makes the most fantastic home made mashed potatoes that I have to dish out to other people... And.... And...

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It's so hard when there's no cut and dried numbers proof that anything is happening. I'm betting Alan is seeing changes in your pictures though. You are rocking it.
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You could drop 2lbs a week, if you didn't care about losing lean body mass along with the fat. Stay the course.
You're right of course. I cannot drop like I did last time without seeing the same poor results. It was just so much better for me mentally when I could physically see the numbers.

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Thanks Tom. You're right. This will pass... sigh....

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OMG I am so with you. Where I work they always have food at staff meetings as an incentive to get people to attend. And I have to serve the residents boatloads of nummy carbs every day. And the cook makes the most fantastic home made mashed potatoes that I have to dish out to other people... And.... And...


It's so hard when there's no cut and dried numbers proof that anything is happening. I'm betting Alan is seeing changes in your pictures though. You are rocking it.
Alan is not requesting pics and probably would not see changes if he did. A change of 1-3 lbs a month is not really that visable via camera and barely even to the eye. I have to go on faith for this one or give it up.

I am feeling this one harder than the first time I did this. It could be the macros or it could be the different workouts that I am doing. Cardio helps curb my hunger and I have not been able to do that much for this cut. I feel like I am crashing in a lot of ways. In any case I know that I have to be cutting or dieting. There is no way with the calories that I am consuming and the way I am feeling that something isn't giving. I just have to keep the faith....

BTW: In case you are all wondering, it was the case last time I did a cut that I did not bitch a lot about it on here. A result of that was that everyone assumed that I had no problems getting down to 12% bf. Just this week Alan actually queried me because I went quiet on him too. He was wondering if I had questions or if everything was okay. It is the way I operate. When things go bad, I generally go quiet and just set out to work on the issue at hand. It takes focus to fix things so I try to reserve my energies for that focus. That said I am making an effort to record my feelings a bit more this time around as I think that is helpful somehow in this form of communication. I also sent a mail to Alan this morning telling him how much I hated him (seriously) at that moment. Oddly I felt better just as soon as I hit the SEND button. I think it is probably better for me to express these things than to go quiet for these reasons. So I decided that now you all get to see the real insides of one of the crazy ass persons dieting into the athletic and then sick lean bf levels. I will try to record at least all my bad days as I have them...
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Just to add some balance. On the very positive side of things. I found an old school lat pulldown machine on CL for 50bucks. Has high and low row and a clearence low enough for my ceilings in my home. I love CL.

And it is Friday at least. Whew... long, good, productive week behind me and another one just around the corner. But not before a fun weekend.
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Sorry you're struggling, but at the same time, yes, you came across as a machine and not human before because it seemed SO easy and scientific for you... those of us who love wallowing in our misery with lots of company welcome you to our pathetic club
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I told you guys that it sucked for me before too. I just am not of the mind to type about it or bitch about it when it sucks. I am changing that pardigm for this log just for you guys so that you know it sucks for me too. This time is harder for me then last time due to low carbs, not seeing scale move, not having cardio and the workout expectations being harder. I am really pushing it this time. Still it did suck last time too.

Alan wrote back and said he loved me too after a nice little HA HA HA line. (I am positive that I said I hated him) No help. No pity or go ahead and eat more carbs. No get out of workout for free. Just love you too... now get back to work.

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So basically, he said "Shut up and lift, princess"
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Princess Barbie.. somehow that doesn't make a good visual to me, even though I know Karla loves pink.
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Yeah basically that is how I feel. Of course he did not even remotely say those words but reading between the lines I think it is pretty accurate....

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It has been awhile since I wore my pink outfits to the gym. Used to be, when I trained with David he would work me to death when I wore one of them and tell me that is what I get for wearing pink to his gym. (laughing of course) I think the clothing is a bit tight on me right now. My lats got pretty large in this bulk and all the smaller shirts and clothes that I bought pull now. (sigh...)

Speaking of David I met up with him last night and he actually noticed something was wrong with me. He said I was grumpy and stupid. I told him about the diet I am doing and he suggested that we go for the carb up this weekend. He thinks it would be good for me on a lot of different levels including that it may jump start the metabolism. So I am going to plan for it probably today.

Nothing like a friend to tell you that you are grumpy and stupid. LOL!
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All I can say, in regards to the carb-up, is that I live for Sundays since I started this new diet plan. The temporary jump-up in scale weight is worth it for the sanity. I honestly don't think I could stick to this plan, this deficit, this level of carbs, if I wasn't allowed the weekly refeed.

Grumpy comes and goes, stoopid is forever???
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You're such a tease Bytsi .. some people get 'slow' brains from not having enough carbs, so that would be a temporary thing
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I'm a "go quiet" and focussed kind of person, too, Karla. I'm glad I'm not the only one...
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LOL! Yeah, I mean I am more stoopid than normal due to not enough carbs. Really I could barely put two thoughts together on Friday. Today is much better after the carb up day. I am only very slightly up on the scale today too so I'll be doing that again next week for sure. I feel awesome right now.

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Yeah well I am changing that paradigm now. This log will be henceforth known as the whine and bitch log.

Hope everyone had a great Easter. I managed to get the first bike ride of the season in. A friend and I went on a nice 20 miler at a pretty relaxed pace. I think we averaged around 14 mph on the rolling hills. My legs are not even remotely tired even though I have not done even a little bit of cardio this winter except for that one run a few weeks back. All I have been doing is my monster lifting workouts. Seems as though that is sufficient to keeping fit for casual biking anyway. My shifting isn't as smooth or time as well though so have to get back into that. Gawd I love to bike now. We are planning a farm to coast ride sometime this summer. This will be over 75 miles which is similar to running 19 miles. I know that this will be somewhat challenging to feed and manage but I think I am going to try it and see if I cannot do it.

I also got my new lat pull down machine cleaned up and set up in my home gym this weekend. It is so cool. My lats are sore as heck right now though so I cannot even play with it. I worked out with David yesterday and we had a monster BRO upper type workout with so much volume that we were both dead tired by the start of the evening. We really hit the back hard. I did my carb up after that workout though and man was that fun. Thought my tummy might explode but did not care. Just had to eat like crazy. MMMMmmmmm.... Carb loading good. With all the crazy work and working out I did past two days, I am not even tired. Food-a-bol is my drug of choice right now.
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Food-a-bol indeed.
That's why I'd put that (partly incorrect) line in the sig "There's no overtraining, only undereating"
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Old 04-13-2009, 07:35 AM   #329 (permalink)
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Today is much better after the carb up day. I am only very slightly up on the scale today too so I'll be doing that again next week for sure. I feel awesome right now.


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Old 04-15-2009, 02:37 PM   #330 (permalink)
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Hmmm.... Abs are nearly gone again and I am still at 132 lbs. Gawd I HATE this freak'n diet. It seems like I am doing nothing most days. I just want to lose weight dammit. On the good news side of things I busted through some more PRs in the gym last night. This time on leg day so feeling pretty good about that at least. If you are going to be fat, it helps to be strong to go with it.

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