I was going to follow the link, but after Bytsi and dillytl, I'm not even going to read it! I am, however, going to take my less upper body strength self to the gym tonight and do some pullups!
To be honest, I expected worse after seeing the reactions. At least they gave alternatives that were (for some) decent. I definitely disagree with the girlie pushups ones and the plyometrics one. But subbing one type of lunge for another doesn't seem too god-awful to me. And reverse lunges do target the glutes more which would strengthen them, which seems to be their point on that one. And yes, we may be "blessed" with less genetic upper body strength than guys, but that's why we work UP to being able to do chin ups and pull ups. I know Jane has been doing some inverted rows to help prep her for pull ups or chin ups, as well as assisted ones. Sure it's a different exercise, but it canhelp when you can't do one unassisted yet. The pushups ones got to me though for sure.. moral of the story: don't let your butt sag. If you have issues, do some planks and strengthen your core, don't wimp out and stick with girlie pushups forever! sheesh! I think the problem with the article is that it wants us to pretty much stay where we're at and not work toward gaining the strength to do some of these exercises. That's not empowering at all. I see their point, that safety comes first. But they seem to replace progress with "safe" alternatives that would keep us stuck doing the exact same exercises forever instead of ever gaining strength. *shrug* I don't know, it's not a great article by any means, but maybe I'm the only one who didn't find it to be satan's work, lol
LOL--I agree with Kara that it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. There are some points that are pretty true (reverse lunges like Kara stated) and maybe the exercises shouldn't be the first ones women should start with. He made a blanket statement for all women, didn't include that everyone can make progress, but it's what a lot of women want to hear, even if it does annoy anyone who is already in shape and/or doing those things.
I probably overreacted. The topic at hand was how to get better at chin ups and what others do, and this girl posted that article as a response, basically saying to everyone who had responded to the original poster shouldn't even suggest girls try them. I agree with you Kara about not everyone starting out doing certain things. I can say without doubt my Mom wouldn't be able to do many body weight lunges. It just gets old hearing the same crap about how women shouldn't do stuff or even try to get stronger.
Anyway, that board makes me stabby sometimes but I have learned a lot and I like to help others.
Today was interesting! Another snow storm rolled through so I left work around 2 only to get home by 2:45. it wasn't that the traffic was so bad, but I couldn't go over 40 mph because of the snow on the roads. Anyway, I came home and went straight to the gym. It was great - no one was there yet! I was all by myself on my treadmill. Here is what I did:
5 min warm up @ 5.5 mph
then 7x 1 min @ 8 mph, 2 min 2 5.5 mph
8 min cool down @ 5.5 mph
10 min walk @ 3.8 mph
42 minutes total. HR monitor sez 419 cals burned, 180 max, 158 average
Then it was time to shovel!
I wore my HR mon. again just for fun.
46 minutes, 322 cals burned, 143 max, 129 average
Not bad for some NEAT if I do say so myself.
Since I left work early I have about an hour to do tonight yet. I have a pound of 96/4 beef waiting for me to make something magical out of it, too.
brown beef with a large chopped onion and a bunch of taco seasoning, some cayenne pepper, S&P, and any other mexican spices you want...experiment...I like it spicy!!. Add in 1 14.5 oz can of petite diced tomatoes w/chiles and an 8oz can of tomato sauce. Throw in as much cooked Barilla Plus cooked penne pasta as you want and as much monterey jack cheese. Divide into 5 portions. Then I freeze and take one to work for lunch.
I just hate ANYTHING that suggests women can't or shouldn't do something. Especially exercises. I love how Lou has always said that a muscle is a muscle is a muscle... It's like - even with things like Nate Green's book - he may have targeted men in the title, but he has never said (that I've seen) that woman can't or shouldn't do the workouts if they like 'em too. Sheesh!
I probably overreacted. The topic at hand was how to get better at chin ups and what others do, and this girl posted that article as a response, basically saying to everyone who had responded to the original poster shouldn't even suggest girls try them. I agree with you Kara about not everyone starting out doing certain things. I can say without doubt my Mom wouldn't be able to do many body weight lunges. It just gets old hearing the same crap about how women shouldn't do stuff or even try to get stronger.
Anyway, that board makes me stabby sometimes but I have learned a lot and I like to help others.
That does put it in a different perspective and you weren't overreacting. You and Bytsi are right that it should not have been women-targeted at all, but about people in general.
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I just hate ANYTHING that suggests women can't or shouldn't do something. Especially exercises. I love how Lou has always said that a muscle is a muscle is a muscle... It's like - even with things like Nate Green's book - he may have targeted men in the title, but he has never said (that I've seen) that woman can't or shouldn't do the workouts if they like 'em too. Sheesh!
This made me think of one of the seasons of Survivor (one of H's favorite shows) that had the "Johnny Fairplay" guy in it that was always talking about how superior he was to any girls/women. I couldn't be in the same room as the TV when it was on and I still can not stand to see him anywhere on TV/newspapers/whatever. He just makes me start steaming every time I see or hear him .
brown beef with a large chopped onion and a bunch of taco seasoning, some cayenne pepper, S&P, and any other mexican spices you want...experiment...I like it spicy!!. Add in 1 14.5 oz can of petite diced tomatoes w/chiles and an 8oz can of tomato sauce. Throw in as much cooked Barilla Plus cooked penne pasta as you want and as much monterey jack cheese. Divide into 5 portions. Then I freeze and take one to work for lunch.
Oooh - thanks Jane! That soundsperfect. I will remember this. I actually just cooked it up with some spices and made myself a "taco" salad with lf cheese, spinach, and a mixture of catalina dressing and ortega sauce. My DH made himself actual tacos. It ended up being a a lot of food! I weighed it all out and it wasn't bad at all! I am going to repeat that one for sure.
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I just hate ANYTHING that suggests women can't or shouldn't do something. Especially exercises. I love how Lou has always said that a muscle is a muscle is a muscle... It's like - even with things like Nate Green's book - he may have targeted men in the title, but he has never said (that I've seen) that woman can't or shouldn't do the workouts if they like 'em too. Sheesh!
Agreed. I bought Nate's book, too! A muscle IS a muscle.
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That does put it in a different perspective and you weren't overreacting. You and Bytsi are right that it should not have been women-targeted at all, but about people in general.
This made me think of one of the seasons of Survivor (one of H's favorite shows) that had the "Johnny Fairplay" guy in it that was always talking about how superior he was to any girls/women. I couldn't be in the same room as the TV when it was on and I still can not stand to see him anywhere on TV/newspapers/whatever. He just makes me start steaming every time I see or hear him .
AHHH! I remember that guy. I never watched Survivor but saw him on some other shows. Didn't he lie about his Grandma dying to win, too? Class act!
It is cooollllllldddd! I woke up and it was -16. Windchills north of here are in the -50's. Drive in was scary because there was black ice on all the highways. For those of you not familiar, it forms from car exhaust freezing on the pavement when it gets below zero. (I think anyway) The salt and brine the plows put down doesn't work below certain temps, so as long as it stays cold the roads remain dangerous! Good times.
Oh Bree, be careful driving! The black ice is scary!
I make taco salads all the time, but I can't put things like tomatoes or chilis in with the meat or BF won't eat it. I'm going to have to try the pasta idea though. That looks good; I'll just have to keep the goodies on the side for me.
I just hate ANYTHING that suggests women can't or shouldn't do something. Especially exercises. I love how Lou has always said that a muscle is a muscle is a muscle... It's like - even with things like Nate Green's book - he may have targeted men in the title, but he has never said (that I've seen) that woman can't or shouldn't do the workouts if they like 'em too. Sheesh!
I'll handsomely reward the first man that tells me I can't or shouldn't do dishes.
LOL . . . the only time I ever got told that was when I was on 6 months of complete bed rest when pregnant with my daughter. It was great the first couple of weeks, but it got old when I watched every dish in the house get piled on the countertops until hubby was forced to wash them.
Oh Bree, be careful driving! The black ice is scary!
I make taco salads all the time, but I can't put things like tomatoes or chilis in with the meat or BF won't eat it. I'm going to have to try the pasta idea though. That looks good; I'll just have to keep the goodies on the side for me.
Thanks! I know, especially in the dark in the morning. Oh and its supposed to snow again tonight! I thought if it was below zero it was more unlikely to snow. Ugggh.
We aren't big tomato fans either. I can eat them more then my husband can, but they have to be mixed in pretty well for me to not want to pick them out. I wish I liked them more!
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That's how I feel, too!
Ummm hmmm!
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I'll handsomely reward the first man that tells me I can't or shouldn't do dishes.
Ahhh wouldn't that be nice? I am actually pretty lucky. We share most of the chores around here. Not so much lately though, with DH being a coach and in grad school all while keeping his classroom in check. If anyone ever wants to debate that teachers have it easy....just let me know!
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LOL . . . the only time I ever got told that was when I was on 6 months of complete bed rest when pregnant with my daughter. It was great the first couple of weeks, but it got old when I watched every dish in the house get piled on the countertops until hubby was forced to wash them.
I decided I would be the worst person on bedrest. I get so antsy sitting at home for too long - even a two hour movie gets to me!
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Great workouts, Bree!
Thanks Pauline! They are definitely taking their toll on me this week already.
NROL Fat Loss III B2
Giant set with no rest, 4x's through:
Front Squat:
10 x 75 - getting the hang of these.
Underhand grip lat pulldown:
10 x 85
Step Up: (bench at knee height)
10 x 20's
DB Push Press:
10 x 20's
Giant set with no rest, 2 times through:
Back Squat
20 x 75 (went up from last workout)
Wide Grip Lat Pulldown
20 x 65
Step Up:
20 x 15's
DB shoulder press:
20 x 15's
Swiss ball crunch (Apparently I forgot to record this last time)
2 x 10 x 4# medicine ball, slow count 2 up and 2 down
Then I walked for a while - tried to jog but my body wasn't having it. Going up in those squats was brutal! I was officially dead. HR monitor said I burned 576 calories in 56 minutes. This workout is definitely a challenge in a deficit.
This week will suck for NEAT. I have a big deadline for Thursday morning so tonight and tomorrow night I have to work....aka sitting at my computer even more! Its somewhat of tradeoff though because it keeps me busy so I don't wander into the kitchen and find something to snack on.
I read a great article on Figure Athlete about squats today. I definitely used some of the pointers in tonight's workout. For as busy as the gym is, I seem to have no trouble using the squat rack this entire workout.....
I haven't talked about food much. Yesterday I was at about 1290 and my goal is 1500. I have been finding it so much easier to eat less during the work day. I get hungry every once in a while before lunchtime, but I don't keep anything tempting around and I HATE eating my lunch early because it makes the day crawl by, so that motivates me. I also drink almost a liter of water with my lunch and that definitely helps keep me full. Its about 7:15 and I am just starting to get hungry now...so I am off to find some dinner.
I will be back tomorrow morning to catch up on logs....sorry friends!
Bree, that is SOME workout! I haven't done a squat in so long... I think the Swiss ball crunches with the med ball or overhead dumbbells are so hard. You have to keep everything stable - good exercise!
Good 'ol NROL FLIII. It is been a long time but just reading your log it all came back. OMG, it was killer. I loved doing the explosive pushups such as they were. I remember demonstrating those to my mother, thinking she'd be impressed. After doing a few and getting oh, about 1/2" of air, my son just laughed at me. He got down on the floor and shamed me with a set of 'whole body flying off the floor with a clap behind the back and a clap in front' pushups. Whatever! LOL
Anyway, good luck with the program. It is definitely a challenge.
Bree, your workouts are looking so great! I've got about 4 more weeks of the Strength Module in Power Training and trying to decide what I want to do next. My coach wants me to continue on with another strength program, but I'm not really digging the low reps. I've been tossing around the idea of doing the NROL FL programs again. Never did make it through FL III, so maybe I'll torture myself for a few weeks with that!
no apologies necessary friend! great workout! those giant sets look killer!
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Great workout, Bree. You'll have to let me know about Tom V's book. I added it to my list of wants.
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Bree, that is SOME workout! I haven't done a squat in so long... I think the Swiss ball crunches with the med ball or overhead dumbbells are so hard. You have to keep everything stable - good exercise!
Thanks Kara, Ginger, and Pauline!
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Good 'ol NROL FLIII. It is been a long time but just reading your log it all came back. OMG, it was killer. I loved doing the explosive pushups such as they were. I remember demonstrating those to my mother, thinking she'd be impressed. After doing a few and getting oh, about 1/2" of air, my son just laughed at me. He got down on the floor and shamed me with a set of 'whole body flying off the floor with a clap behind the back and a clap in front' pushups. Whatever! LOL
Anyway, good luck with the program. It is definitely a challenge.
Hi Kathy! Thanks for stopping by. Ummm yeah I would say my pushups are more like a firecracker then an explosive. By the end its just regular pushups!
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Nice workout, Bree!!
Thanks Tracey!
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Bree, your workouts are looking so great! I've got about 4 more weeks of the Strength Module in Power Training and trying to decide what I want to do next. My coach wants me to continue on with another strength program, but I'm not really digging the low reps. I've been tossing around the idea of doing the NROL FL programs again. Never did make it through FL III, so maybe I'll torture myself for a few weeks with that!
Thanks Jane! I haven't done any super low rep stuff yet, but I do like 10 reps stuff. This 20 business...I am not sure I can do it for more then this stage! I do like the way I feel when I am done though.
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Great workout Bree!
Thanks Christina!
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Nice job on the workouts. High rep workouts are my worst nightmare - hate 'em!!!!!!! Opposite of Jane on this one - I love low rep workouts...
Thanks! For some reason I hated 3 sets of 15 in Fat Loss I. This seems to go by faster so not too bad.
Did the interval workout tonight. Gym was fairly busy. I seem to get there in the nick of time and it fills up after I get my treadmill.
5 min warm up @ 5.5 mph
then 7x 1 min @ 8 mph, 2 min 2 5.5 mph
8 min cool down @ 5.5 mph
10 min walk @ 3.8 mph
42 minutes total. HR monitor said about the same as last time, about 420 cals burned.
So I have a question for anyone reading this.....I have a foam roller and know the exercises to do. I am wondering when I should roll? Is it best to do it after a weights session? Or is it better to do it on non-lifting days? I feel good when I do it (some things hurt of course) but don't want to be messing anything up!
Scale update: Past two days I have been at 140.4. SOOOO close to the 130's.
I just hate ANYTHING that suggests women can't or shouldn't do something. Especially exercises. I love how Lou has always said that a muscle is a muscle is a muscle... It's like - even with things like Nate Green's book - he may have targeted men in the title, but he has never said (that I've seen) that woman can't or shouldn't do the workouts if they like 'em too. Sheesh!
Me too. It's one thing to suggest that slower steps be made, but sheesh, I never did a real push-up until after 40, mainly because the girlie push-ups hurt my knees.
So I have a question for anyone reading this.....I have a foam roller and know the exercises to do. I am wondering when I should roll? Is it best to do it after a weights session? Or is it better to do it on non-lifting days? I feel good when I do it (some things hurt of course) but don't want to be messing anything up!
I don't know the answer to this question, but I was just in Cheryl's log and her and Celeste were talking about it.
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The program I'm doing has you foam roll before a workout--I had always done it afterwards but it makes perfect sense to do it before.
Did the interval workout tonight. Gym was fairly busy. I seem to get there in the nick of time and it fills up after I get my treadmill.
5 min warm up @ 5.5 mph
then 7x 1 min @ 8 mph, 2 min 2 5.5 mph
8 min cool down @ 5.5 mph
10 min walk @ 3.8 mph
42 minutes total. HR monitor said about the same as last time, about 420 cals burned.
So I have a question for anyone reading this.....I have a foam roller and know the exercises to do. I am wondering when I should roll? Is it best to do it after a weights session? Or is it better to do it on non-lifting days? I feel good when I do it (some things hurt of course) but don't want to be messing anything up!
Scale update: Past two days I have been at 140.4. SOOOO close to the 130's.
Firstly - NICE intervals - I'd fall off the treadmill if I tried to run at 8mph!!!!
Secondly - for the foam rolling - I try to do it after my workouts, but there are many nights when DH will go downstairs and foam roll before his shower (and he hadn't even worked out that day!) - says it loosens up the kinks! So I would say whenever you wanna foam roll, do it!
Thirdly - WOOOHOOO on being THIS CLOSE to the 130's! You will get there in no time!
Wow, Bree! I have really fallen behind on logs and I must have missed yours for a few days--lots to catch up on! Your workouts are looking amazing, as always! Again I've gotta say WOW!!! Tough, tough workouts, and high weights to boot! ...and I was so proud of my SIX front squats at the same weight you're doing TEN, and tons of sets with no reps! Something to aspire to, anyway!
Also, as for the foam rolling, I haven't been to Cheryl's log to check out the link Jane posted, but I say do it before if you only have time to roll once. I would love to foam roll before and after workouts, but we do have lives, right? Doing it before a workout, especially combined with a good dynamic warmup, will loosen you up and help prevent injury. I can really feel a difference now that I've been rolling before working out, for several weeks.
Me too. It's one thing to suggest that slower steps be made, but sheesh, I never did a real push-up until after 40, mainly because the girlie push-ups hurt my knees.
I know, we have come this far it just sucks when you see stuff like that. I was fortunate enough to be able to play sports and was never really told I couldn't do something because I was a girl.
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Firstly - NICE intervals - I'd fall off the treadmill if I tried to run at 8mph!!!!
Secondly - for the foam rolling - I try to do it after my workouts, but there are many nights when DH will go downstairs and foam roll before his shower (and he hadn't even worked out that day!) - says it loosens up the kinks! So I would say whenever you wanna foam roll, do it!
Thirdly - WOOOHOOO on being THIS CLOSE to the 130's! You will get there in no time!
Thanks! I am hoping to get there soon....
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Wow, Bree! I have really fallen behind on logs and I must have missed yours for a few days--lots to catch up on! Your workouts are looking amazing, as always! Again I've gotta say WOW!!! Tough, tough workouts, and high weights to boot! ...and I was so proud of my SIX front squats at the same weight you're doing TEN, and tons of sets with no reps! Something to aspire to, anyway!
Also, as for the foam rolling, I haven't been to Cheryl's log to check out the link Jane posted, but I say do it before if you only have time to roll once. I would love to foam roll before and after workouts, but we do have lives, right? Doing it before a workout, especially combined with a good dynamic warmup, will loosen you up and help prevent injury. I can really feel a difference now that I've been rolling before working out, for several weeks.
Oh Celeste you are too kind! There are so many things about your workouts that I wish I could do.
IRT the foam rolling, I had been doing it at night while watching tv after dinner. Keeps me moving and keeps me warm! Being warm is not easy these days. I just started so I want to make sure I am doing it right! Thanks for the advice and I will be sure to check out Cheryls log.
First I will post the good stuff:
NROL Fat Loss III, A3 (at home)
Giant set with no rest, 4 times through:
Deadlift:
10 x 115
Explosive push up: (this wasn't really all that explosive)
10 x BW
Bulgarian Split Squat:
10 x 25's
Two Point DB Row:
10 x 25's
Giant set with no rest, 2 times through:
Deadlift from box: (no box so stood on plates, the bar is just above my toe at home anyway)
20 x 85
DB Bench Press:
20 x 25's
Walking Lunge w/side bend:
20 x 10's
Cable Seated Row: (subbed bent over row b/c at home)
20 x 20's
And abs at the end, normal set:
Hanging Leg Raise (subbed incline reverse crunch)
2 x 10 x BW
I attempted to go up on the bent over row - no dice. I am so set on getting stronger its hard for me to just do this and worry about strength later.
This workout put me in Wendy's pain cave. I think I finally understand how hard it is to do this stuff in a deficit. I had to stop a couple times during the lunges and BSS to get my breath. I am feeling the fatigue all over right now.
Speaking of deficits....and calories....and weight gain....here is the bad stuff:
I weighed TWO whole more pounds today then yesterday! Exactly 24 hours and two pounds. Ummm my eating has been perfect. I obviously know its not fat, but WTF?
Since I am always investigating, I always try to figure this stuff out. One, I ate two applegate farms chicken sausages last night and saw today they are super high in sodium. Two, based on my un-quenchable thirst the past two days I am either dehydrated or the -20 weather has brought some serious dryness and it is making me retain?
I am hoping one or all of those things led to this alleged water gain. I sure hope its water - my muscles aren't really sore. I dunno. Just frustrating I guess when I have been doing everything so perfectly. Even eating 100 calories under my goal...not on purpose but I have been full on the food I have been eating.
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