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Old 01-26-2009, 05:24 AM   #241 (permalink)
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so still puzzled by the scale--was expecting a drop today. perhaps saturdays festivities are showing up

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I am going to try for a lower calorie day today since it is a rest day. running hard really does trigger my appetite. I am very convinced that, for me, fat loss really does require its own "season" as it were. I don't think I will try to train hard and lose fat at the same time again, but at this point, it is what it is, and I need to maximize my body composition prior to marathon season starting in may.
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Old 01-26-2009, 07:28 AM   #242 (permalink)
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there is a proper form to use in competition, and touching the weight to your chest is the right way to do this in competition
In PL-competition for sure! Plus, you need to keep the bb still for a required period of time.
While I had read the first article with attention to detail, the other 2 were new to me and I've just skimmed through. It really *is* confusing, isn't it?
For *me* Karla's advice would probably be correct, esp. when I'd want to use normal grip width, as any lower would bother my shoulders unless I'd be willing to drop weight.. since bb pressing is totally unimportant for me, I've switched to db pressing.. presto, no need to tuck in elbows or be worried about painful shoulders.

Bench pressing really *is* the most overvalued exercise of them all.

Now.. I did get into a mess with the pushups though, been trying to hit 40 reps by using the 100 rep pushup challenge article, and had to stop at around 20 reps due to shoulder pain.. hmmm, see a pattern here?

As for your intake while running.. yes, so sad how it really spikes appetite while output isn't all that outrageous! Cutting is indeed extremely hard if not next to impossible.. perhaps with the Gowear Fit you'll still pull it off. I've just discovered standing around for an entire day and having to drive a long distance while being late, is also very conducive to overeating..
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Old 01-26-2009, 07:40 AM   #243 (permalink)
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Wow espi if you have shoulder issues then you def don't want to do pushups the way my coach has me do them- chest to the floor! Full range! He's all about full range if you can safely do it. I can't argue with the results I am getting so far.

6 weeks into this dieting while running thing and I am down 6 pounds- so far it has worked. I have noticed that I will show minimal scale change for a few weeks and then it will change. I am just in one if those frustrating places right now/ it will pass. I will be glad when I can truly be in maintenance!
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Old 01-26-2009, 07:43 AM   #244 (permalink)
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6 weeks into this dieting while running thing and I am down 6 pounds- so far it has worked. I have noticed that I will show minimal scale change for a few weeks and then it will change. I am just in one if those frustrating places right now/ it will pass. I will be glad when I can truly be in maintenance!
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Hey Wendy, I'm up a couple pounds today too. It all just goes in cycles and as long as you don't get frustrated...it's all good.
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Old 01-26-2009, 07:44 AM   #246 (permalink)
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You are right, it will pass. Does it make you feel any better that I am also a little on the frustrated/annoyed side of things?
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Old 01-26-2009, 07:46 AM   #247 (permalink)
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Thanks tracey! I checked your log you are really pushing your effort level on your intervals! Good way to improve your fitness.
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Old 01-26-2009, 07:49 AM   #248 (permalink)
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Jill that really helps me to know that this is the natural cycle of things.

Ginger! Yes! It helps to know I have company in this journey! Optimizing body comp is such hard work, and jill is right, we just have to keep on with it.
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What a great read! I felt like I was there at your race....and imagining warm sunshine on my face is about as close as I will get to it anytime soon

Way to go on the race. You are kicking ass as usual!

I have nothing to add about benching, but I will agree that being able to throw around a weight that you once could barely get one rep out of is an amazing feeling! When I am feeling unmotivated about lifting I just think about how far I have come in only a year.
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Old 01-26-2009, 02:03 PM   #250 (permalink)
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thanks bree! Always glad to share my sunshine with my forum friends!
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Old 01-26-2009, 07:16 PM   #251 (permalink)
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Too bad you can't send some our way... okay, it's not the sun we want, it's the heat. Sunny we have.
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Old 01-26-2009, 07:20 PM   #252 (permalink)
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anne, when my track times go to hell in the heat of summer, I will be wishing for some of your cold!!
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Old 01-26-2009, 07:24 PM   #253 (permalink)
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I know, but sitting with a small heater between my feet at the desk, it's really quite hard to remember that.
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Old 01-27-2009, 04:05 AM   #254 (permalink)
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bbbbbrrrrr!

scale 150
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off to run my track workout on the road with my garmin. have a late meeting, so no swimming today. just running! 10 x 400 with a 1:30 rest. ouch!
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wow! Did my 10 x 400 most right on the 2 flat. Really happy with heart rate data. The last repeat was straight up the bridge over the intracoastal-ouch! I am starting to really enjoy speed work. Recovered with a greens plus protein bar. I really suspect a return to the 140s any day now- felt very light today running. And my work clothes are huge. They look bad. I need to at least get a few transition pants.
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I just want to point out that you burn more calories in cold weather than hot weather!
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wow! Did my 10 x 400 most right on the 2 flat. Really happy with heart rate data. The last repeat was straight up the bridge over the intracoastal-ouch! I am starting to really enjoy speed work. Recovered with a greens plus protein bar. I really suspect a return to the 140s any day now- felt very light today running. And my work clothes are huge. They look bad. I need to at least get a few transition pants.
Woohoo!!!!
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Old 01-27-2009, 05:17 PM   #259 (permalink)
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great stuff in here Wendy, as always!
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yep, karla, lots to learn for sure! don't we all? you are always welcome to post your advice to me in my log, but statements like this one are simply incorrect. there are LOTS of different reasons why someone would perform an exercise through a full range of motion, competition is only one of them. I think you make some good points overall, but big pronouncements like this just don't make sense, particularly in someone's log who IS preparing for a competition, lol. and the other people who post here who aren't preparing for a competition can benefit from full range of motion too, as long as they learn good technique and as long as they do weights they can handle.
Thanks Wendy. I am trying to get rid of strong statements and I always appreciate your feedback. What I meant when I said that it wasn't proper form is that it is not proper form for everyone and every situation. The thing that kills me about this whole fitness thing is that there seem to be no real absolutes and when I read that this is the "proper" way to do something it triggers something in me. My worry is that someone who does not know how to avoid injury or someone who is genetically not able to do full ROM will think that this is the "proper" and therefor only way to do them. This topic is especially a hot button with me because the bench press exercise is so often poorly done that it causes more shoulder injuries than it ever seems to cause good. At least that is how I am seeing it in the regular gyms and on the forums I read. Of course for competition you must train that way and my hope is that you have a coach to teach you how to avoid injury. Now all that said... I have a LOT to learn and logs like these help me tremendously.
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wow! Did my 10 x 400 most right on the 2 flat. Really happy with heart rate data. The last repeat was straight up the bridge over the intracoastal-ouch! I am starting to really enjoy speed work. Recovered with a greens plus protein bar. I really suspect a return to the 140s any day now- felt very light today running. And my work clothes are huge. They look bad. I need to at least get a few transition pants.
Now this is indeed exciting!!! Seems like quite a few folks on the edge of some really cool milestones!
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Old 01-27-2009, 07:10 PM   #262 (permalink)
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thanks greg! unfortunately, it is hot here most of the time, but I should be at goal by the time the heatwave arrives

thanks pauline! good for me, not good for my budget! trying to wait until my goal for major investments.

backatcha ginger!

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my hope is that you have a coach to teach you how to avoid injury.
karla, glad you are learning. and no worries about me getting the right coaching. my strength coach is one of the best in the business, I did some shameless bragging about him in an earlier post. I have learned a lot from him these past few months. so, umm. yeah. got it covered. wouldn't have it any other way. and by the way, the whole time I did NROL man version prior to joining this board in dec 07, and the whole time I did NROL woman version, followed by precision nutrition workouts, I had no coach and no trainer. and NO INJURIES so even before my rockstar coach, I somehow have a knack for avoiding injuries.

with the exception of bike wrecks and concrete benches, but those weren't weight lifting related. lol

I think the key with injury prevention is knowing your body and not trying to be all macho with the number on the dumbell or the number of plates that you rack. I see people with crappy form trying to lift way too much weight for their ability and for their experience level. a surefire way for injury. I think when people get too invested in their numbers or in increasing the weight every workout, whatever, they invite injury. I would much rather lower my weight and perfect my form, than brag about how much I lift and slip a disc.

I am interested in being strong for a lifetime and for every day life events. I am interested in being a better runner. and I can accomplish those things doing what I have been doing all along since I started lifting weights--good form, challenging but not psychotic weights, consistent sessions, proper pre and post workout nutrition. and the most important step? CHECK YOUR EGO AT THE DOOR. some gyms might even have a special "ego check" room kinda like "coat check". I have found that as long as I check my ego at the door, my weight lifting sessions go smoothly and injury free. when ego gets involved, there can be a tendency to do stupid shit that is beyond your ability and experience level.

that's all for today. when in doubt, check your ego at the door.
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Well said, Wendy! I try to listen to my body, too, and lower the weight and perfect the form. Again, well said.
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thanks pauline!! I am really trying to push myself, but not so much that I get injured. delicate balance!!

ok scale 150.5
burned 2360
eaten 2248
deficit 112

am just not having a lot of dieting mojo lately. yesterday it was a serving of organic cottage cheese and frozen cherries before bed. a wonderful pre-bed snack that nourished my tired running and lifting muscles, but it did destroy the deficit that I was building all day. some weeks are easier than others, and this week has just not been stellar for the deficits. OTOH, haven't been really overdoing it either. I continue to be thrilled with my performance, so I know if I just stay the course, I will end up where I need to be for marathon season.

have decided to go to austin the last weekend of march to meet friends for a spring training weekend. we will be swimming, biking and running. oh yeah, and the 4th and 5th legs of the pentathlon--shopping and eating. eating is also inclusive of drinking. some of the same crew that was in vegas will be in austin. I am psyched!! march is the month for traveling and friends, and I am so grateful to have such wonderful fit fun friends!!
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So bench today was kind of meh, so I switched to some rows on the hammer strength. Triceps were strong today. Some running focused legs like easy squats with empty bar, squat jumps, body weight step ups. Did some abs.

Size 8 Dana buchman pants that fit nicely in November look even more silly today than when I wore them 2 weeks ago- are now fitting even looser, would totally need a size 6 right now in this line. Thinking scale weight will catch up soon.
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NICE work - congrats on the size 6's!!!
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I always have to remind myself not to try to be a hero with weight. I saw a guy last night who had the most horrible form ever. I think he was trying to do clean and jerks? But his back was all rounded and oh man, it was bad. (not only that but he started taking my weight off the bar in the squat rack I was using when there was an empty one next to me....what?) Anyway, it hurt my eyes. He was a prime example of trying to show off.

That is so cool about your trip! I wish I had more active friends. Exploring new places by running and biking would be the way to go for me! The husband is getting better...but for him vacation means doing absolutely nothing.

So great about the pants, too. I have a lot of nice dress pants that I just can't wear anymore without looking like a clown.
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Thanks tracey!

Bree clown is the perfect way to describe the way baggy clothes look! I also hate the " too skinny" comments that happen when you wear bigger clothes.

Nurturing my friendships with fit people was part of my ongoing work when I did the precision nutrition online coaching. It really helps to have people in your life that see fit behaviors as "normal". unfortunately, my parents are stuck in fast food hell/ at the monthly family gathering they serve takeout pizza/ wings and cake mix cakes because that is what they consider "treat" foods. If you scroll up to my post about my neighbors party, that is my idea of treat foods now.

My strength coach is in my parents generation and he can do several pullups. He runs, bikes. He is one of my role models for aging. I am sad that my parents choose to remain unhealthy, but I can't do it for them. They have to make the changes.
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Congratulations on the pants. I'm going through this too. I gained so much weight when I had to stay still that I am now losing through more normal activity. I am getting too small to comfortably wear the fat clown pants I had grown into.

Now you are not doing exactly the same thing, I understand. However, while it is annoying that your clothes don't fit, it's kind of a nice annoying don't you agree?
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I'd agree - it's good to have such problems.
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