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Old 11-06-2009, 07:41 AM   #1741 (permalink)
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That's a great way to celebrate the passing of a dear old friend. Reminds me of what one of my old friends used to say when he left .. instead of saying goodbye he would always say "Amuse yourself" . Which he did.. most of the time.

Good luck on your tomorrow's run.. I'm sure you will do well!
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Old 11-06-2009, 08:32 AM   #1742 (permalink)
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thanks espi!

ok, just downed a huge extra large banana and the rest of my bagel from this morning.

I am super amazed at how easy it is to eat processed carbohydrates. no wonder I weighed 228 pounds.

and no big surprise that we have an obesity crisis in our country. it is just really damn easy to overfeed when you replace high volume fruits, veggies, non-processed lean proteins, nuts, seeds, oils, whole grains with low volume processed, refined carbs.

I would have days like this routinely when I was heavy, except I didn't have the 29 mile run the next day to utilize the extra calories! and my days were never carefully calculated to be low in fat, it was just processed food free-for-all. fast food frenzy. even when I switched to healthy foods, the quantity was way to high for my body weight. I truly understand now why it took me so long to lose weight. I was either eating WAY too many calories, or else I was dieting on calories that were WAY too severe of a deficit. I remember at my heaviest being put on 1100-1200 calories a day at the first gym that I joined when I moved here in 1995. no wonder I never lasted on these diets! what I have learned about myself, particularly during these last 2 years here at JP's, is that I have a really excellent metabolism. so my deficit back then was way too high, and it would inevitably trigger compensatory overeating.

speaking of overeating, I had an interesting food experience in the day or two post half marathon. one of the things that had me worried going into this marathon season was the whole "eat the damn house" post run munchies. I would routinely have these days when I trained for the chicago 07 marathon. I was scared that I might put on some of the fat that I have managed to lose this year as a result.

I decided to try hammernutrition.com products, and be very very picky about periworkout nutrition, for every weight session and for every run. I have not had one single day of "eat-the-house" this entire season until the few days following my half.

what was different?? as soon as I finished the half, instead of beelining for my car and my post workout recoverite, I hung out with my friends at the finish, sipped water, and watched our other friends come in for a while. purused the expo and nibbled a bit on post race munchies, but wasn't really hungry, so solid food wasn't so appealing. finally got around to my recoverite, but it was well past the 30 min optimal window. did finally get to the store and make some post race chili, but it was several hours after my finish.

I definitely had a day or so of compensatory overeating. I have learned my lesson. I totally need my recoverite immediately post run. followed by my usual large whole foods meal within 90 minutes of finishing.

I am amazed at how powerful periworkout nutrition has been this season. I think it will end up being one of the top 3 keys to success for this season, maybe even THE most important ingredient, followed closely by the amount of rest I take (3 full days off), and probably third is the intensity of my workouts.
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Sorry to hear about the passing of your friend. Great way to honor him with a fabulous 29 mile run, great food and raising a glass of fine wine!
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I am super amazed at how easy it is to eat processed carbohydrates. no wonder I weighed 228 pounds.

and no big surprise that we have an obesity crisis in our country. it is just really damn easy to overfeed when you replace high volume fruits, veggies, non-processed lean proteins, nuts, seeds, oils, whole grains with low volume processed, refined carbs.

I would have days like this routinely when I was heavy, except I didn't have the 29 mile run the next day to utilize the extra calories! and my days were never carefully calculated to be low in fat, it was just processed food free-for-all. fast food frenzy. even when I switched to healthy foods, the quantity was way to high for my body weight. I truly understand now why it took me so long to lose weight. I was either eating WAY too many calories, or else I was dieting on calories that were WAY too severe of a deficit. I remember at my heaviest being put on 1100-1200 calories a day at the first gym that I joined when I moved here in 1995. no wonder I never lasted on these diets! what I have learned about myself, particularly during these last 2 years here at JP's, is that I have a really excellent metabolism. so my deficit back then was way too high, and it would inevitably trigger compensatory overeating.

speaking of overeating, I had an interesting food experience in the day or two post half marathon. one of the things that had me worried going into this marathon season was the whole "eat the damn house" post run munchies. I would routinely have these days when I trained for the chicago 07 marathon. I was scared that I might put on some of the fat that I have managed to lose this year as a result.

I decided to try hammernutrition.com products, and be very very picky about periworkout nutrition, for every weight session and for every run. I have not had one single day of "eat-the-house" this entire season until the few days following my half.

what was different?? as soon as I finished the half, instead of beelining for my car and my post workout recoverite, I hung out with my friends at the finish, sipped water, and watched our other friends come in for a while. purused the expo and nibbled a bit on post race munchies, but wasn't really hungry, so solid food wasn't so appealing. finally got around to my recoverite, but it was well past the 30 min optimal window. did finally get to the store and make some post race chili, but it was several hours after my finish.

I definitely had a day or so of compensatory overeating. I have learned my lesson. I totally need my recoverite immediately post run. followed by my usual large whole foods meal within 90 minutes of finishing.

I am amazed at how powerful periworkout nutrition has been this season. I think it will end up being one of the top 3 keys to success for this season, maybe even THE most important ingredient, followed closely by the amount of rest I take (3 full days off), and probably third is the intensity of my workouts.
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So true... I'm still bad at not eating immediately post-workout for lack of appetite.. it used to be way worse in the past when I wouldn't eat anything at all & then CLEAN OUT EVERYTHING some 36-48 hrs later... since I never had DOMS at the time, I'd always joke how I had DOH (Delayed Onset of Hunger) instead

Ever since I'm making sure to get in enough carbs during a workout (can't have too many right before as they put me asleep) and do carb-ups the night before, I'm not as hungry a day later. Still prefer to eat well over mtn on all workout days, which has the effect of making it easy to stay at a larger deficit.
You're doing the same nowadays, isn't it? Creating a larger deficit on rest days, that is?
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thanks tracey!!

greg, I don't know of any books on rescripting. I plan to write one this year, will let you know!!

OMGOMGOMG. half went SO SO well. it was in the high seventies and nearly 100% humidity. was right on 2 flat pace until the first of two very high bridges. with the heat, the humidity, the two bridges, and my looming 29 mile training run that is scheduled in 6 days, I made an executive decision at mile 6 that this would be an easy training day instead of 2 flat. had A TON left in me as I crossed the finish. average heart rate firmly in the 160's, which is solid aerobic pace for me. 4 minute run/1 minute walk throughout. I felt like I could have gone on in this heat at this pace for at least another half marathon.

am so proud of myself for allowing myself to relax into this and just let it happen and unfold as it is meant to.

2:07:51 chip time, easy peasy, did chores all day, not a single sore muscle, nada. zippo. 11th out of 51 women in my age group. 293/700 overall (men and women) NOT BAD for an easy training run!!! oh, and this is a PR by 20 minutes, and my last PR was NOT easy like this was.

if I get some cool weather on nov 29th, I am totally going for my 4 flat. I know I have the potential. if you have ever run in nearly 100 percent humidity, you know how easy running is when you get low humidity and cool.

am really really excited about my upcoming race, I know for sure now that Boston is within my ability in my lifetime. FOR SURE.
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Old 11-06-2009, 10:48 AM   #1747 (permalink)
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thanks guys!!

espi, no calculated deficit these days. that was my plan a while back, but I have managed to learn a bit of intuitive cutting these days. I suspect that to get down to 135-140, I will go back to tracking and creating a deficit on rest days.

so now eating a box of annies bunny pasta mac and cheese and some green beans with toasted almond slivers.
half of a big ole cowgirl chocolate chip cookie for dessert (tastes like cookie dough. yum!)
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Old 11-06-2009, 12:55 PM   #1748 (permalink)
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fat free milk with a packet of that new starbucks via coffee granules over ice
snack will be those veggies sticks with babagannouj


dinner 2 big servings of pancakes with 1/4 cup real vermont maple syrup
a glass of knudsen's pineapple coconut juice

and a nice glass of kinkerbrink shiraz. cheers ray!
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Old 11-07-2009, 01:12 PM   #1749 (permalink)
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29 miles in the bank!!! feeling fantasterrific! had my ice bath. big confidence builder today. music died halfway thru, but toughed it out. it was HOT today to for the last miles.

SO. HAPPY.
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Old 11-07-2009, 02:09 PM   #1750 (permalink)
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Yay! Yay! Yay! Nicely done.
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Old 11-07-2009, 04:00 PM   #1751 (permalink)
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Congrats on completing what must have been your longest run sofar
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NICELY DONE!!!! Wooohooooo!!!
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((((((thanks so much)))))))))))

feeling really good today!! slight soreness in both feet and legs, but nothing major. have already started two loads of laundry.

ed and I are driving to jax to get new iphones. lululemon is definitely in the cards, as is yogaberry! YUM!!!!!
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Yay 29-mile runs, lululemon and yogaberry!
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It's really not fair that you have a 7-11 for slurpees, a yogaberry AND a lulumon.
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and I cooked last night, so yep!!!

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we've got a spare room now that the office is bambooed. or you could always rough it on the kayak rack/observation tower, lol.
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Belated awesome on the 29 miler.

Count me as another one jealous...especially the lululemon. I am jealous of those within close distance of a Dunkin Donuts, too.
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Thanks Bree!

Tough workout with frank. Felt the 29 miles more metabolically today, no muscle pain. Just felt depleted with what seemed to be a high perceived effort. Didn't help that I worked late and only got 6 hours of sleep. Will go straight home after track and go to bed early
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thanks darlin, am ready to hit the haystacks momentarily!!

had an AWESOME track workout today. positively fab. all workouts can't be great workouts, but I am happy the running ones tend to be the good ones these days!!!
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epic bad run yesterday. 14 x1 mile repeats. had to do them earlier than saturday, because I am out of town. did 10 and called it a day. had to run them after work, and I just don't run well in the afternoon sun. it is what it is!!

taking 4 full days off in a row, and then monday will run 14 miles at marathon pace.
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Traveling and taking 4 full days off from exercise! I need it. Perfect taper for my race
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Travel safely!

It's very common to have a poor session after long runs/bike rides, even when you felt great afterwards.
Are you tapering from the previous ride or tapering towards your next big race? Assuming the latter but don't know which one you're referring to!
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Big race is in 17 days! True taper, but mostly a forced rest because I won't have time to run- am away on business til Monday!
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back from baltimore. 4 full days of rest. as soon as I drove in from jax yesterday, I ran 14 awesome miles! made up for the crappy wednesday workout. rest is a very very good thing!! this was the last longish run prior to my race. I am happy about it!

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