Your does are sooo cute. They remind me of my sister's dog. what kind are they??
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Sorry about the reverse woosh Bytsi. I'm sure it will go back down soon. And I'm sorry the scale number has the power to make you freak out like this. Just remember that it really is the progress with form, performance and measurements that counts, the scale really is just a number. And right around 140 is NOT a bad number!
Keep in mind that very strenuous, CNS taxing exercise can make fat loss more difficult (ask Tina) ... so make sure you are really really resting HARD ... and don't skimp on your foam rolling and stretching. At the very least, it will mask the fat loss with the water games ... it will whoosh away when you least expect it!
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Your does are sooo cute. They remind me of my sister's dog. what kind are they??
Lucy is a cockapoo, the other one we have NO idea (some kind of terrier mix). Both were rescued pound puppies... Lucy should weigh around 25#, Coco is a little over 30#...
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Sorry about the reverse woosh Bytsi. I'm sure it will go back down soon. And I'm sorry the scale number has the power to make you freak out like this. Just remember that it really is the progress with form, performance and measurements that counts, the scale really is just a number. And right around 140 is NOT a bad number!
Thanks Kara. It isn't TOTALLY freaking me out - not anywhere near as badly as it did 6 or 8 months ago... just kinda - bummed. 140's aren't a "bad" number - they're just not where I want to be, as I've been in them forever.
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All that DOMS ... extra fluid goes along with it.
Keep in mind that very strenuous, CNS taxing exercise can make fat loss more difficult (ask Tina) ... so make sure you are really really resting HARD ... and don't skimp on your foam rolling and stretching. At the very least, it will mask the fat loss with the water games ... it will whoosh away when you least expect it!
Thanks Julie. You're very right. I've been thinking that perhaps I should lift only once on my own and once with Jason (weekly) instead of a total of 3 lifts per week. I had been lifting 2/week since fall and I added the Oly sessions in without removing another lift session...
Eventually, though, if I retain water frequently, the fat loss would/should show through... meaning - a constant state of water retention (theoretically) would not vary much, so I'd still see movement, albeit from a higher start-point... make any sense??? In reality, I need to take care of myself and try to minimize water retention and deal with it (emotionally and physically) when it happens.
Lots of NEAT today after my long cardio this morning, but by about 4:30 I realized I was just plain WHIPPED and exhausted and still pretty sore. I've moved around a little, but I think this is going to be mostly a couch-potato kind of evening...
Lots of NEAT today after my long cardio this morning, but by about 4:30 I realized I was just plain WHIPPED and exhausted and still pretty sore. I've moved around a little, but I think this is going to be mostly a couch-potato kind of evening...
Nothing wrong with a bit of couch-potato-ness - especially if you are out of steam and still sore!!!
Nothing wrong with a bit of couch-potato-ness - especially if you are out of steam and still sore!!!
Thanks Tracey. I actually got a little tiny bit of a 2nd wind later... after dinner... not a big one, but I didn't fall asleep by 7 either...
This morning - 142 (down 2, but still up 2, if that makes any sense ).
Light cardio day, since I have to take DS downtown for a doctor's appointment to see one of his many specialists... did 45 min (2.25 miles) on treadmill while watching tv... HR not high at all, but I moved. Might do it again later if we get home in time.
No karate tonight, because we're grappling (aka wrestling) and I am just not in the mood to be the only woman being sat on and twisted into a pretzel by a bunch of stinky sweaty men.
Maybe you need to lighten up a bit - if I understand it correctly, you're lifting four times a week, doing cardio and taking karate... right?
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More rest is beneficial when doing something so taxing (CNS and otherwise).
Yes, I need to back off a little, but Tom - nooooo! Not doing that much lifting!!! I'm lifting once with the coach and was going to lift twice on my own, but I think I'll cut that back to once. Karate is 2/week but sometimes not strenuous (sometimes it is). For example, on Saturday I ended up teaching so I just stood/strolled but didn't really participate. And cardio is 4-5 days/week but varies a LOT from LISS (barely break a sweat) to higher intensity intervals (but no HIIT anymore).
And always one FULL rest day thrown in, at least.
I foam rolled this morning... cardio today is minimal / mellow...
Thanks though, cuz the advice / reality check helps so much.
Sorry that you're struggling with those few pounds. It does always seem that you jump up way faster than you jump down. Here's hoping that you shake them off soon.
No karate tonight, because we're grappling (aka wrestling) and I am just not in the mood to be the only woman being sat on and twisted into a pretzel by a bunch of stinky sweaty men.
Argh. No kidding! Good call staying home from that one.
I'm just catching up through here and it sounds like you're doing a great job with the workouts. Don't stress the weight thing. It's probably just the cyber-chocolate; that makes the pounds virtual, right?
No karate tonight, because we're grappling (aka wrestling) and I am just not in the mood to be the only woman being sat on and twisted into a pretzel by a bunch of stinky sweaty men.
Especially if you're already feeling tired or sore. Hope tomorrow brings another downward whoosh.
Sorry that you're struggling with those few pounds. It does always seem that you jump up way faster than you jump down. Here's hoping that you shake them off soon.
Thanks... I wish it'd jump down. Or just plain go down.
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Argh. No kidding! Good call staying home from that one.
I'm just catching up through here and it sounds like you're doing a great job with the workouts. Don't stress the weight thing. It's probably just the cyber-chocolate; that makes the pounds virtual, right?
Virtual pounds... hmmm... if only it were that simple - then maybe we could just hit delete or backspace to lose weight?
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Especially if you're already feeling tired or sore. Hope tomorrow brings another downward whoosh.
Wish it had... it didn't...
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If you're feeling run down and hungry all the time, maybe it's time for a rest week.
I've had too many rest weeks. Really not run-down so much as major DOMS from the trainer. I do monitor rest and rest weeks, but with a few little injuries and such, I've had plenty of rest. And hungry is just a state of being for me (even, sadly, during maintenance). I'm working on it, tweaking diet and macros... sigh...
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Any good whooshing to report?
Back up 1#. 143# is NOT where I want or need to be. Cruise is in less than 2 weeks. Damnit!!!!
Of course last night I slipped a little with food, as I was hungry... so I kinda knew the scale wouldn't be good. Although how 300 kcals (yeah, I ended up at 1700 instead of 1400 - whooo, what a binge ) translates to a full pound on the scale is beyond me.
Workout today - Jason's workout #1.
Step-ups 4x8 @ 15#(e)
Deadlift - 5x115#, 4x165#, 3x3x165#
Pullup 3bw (WTF?!?). Pulldowns 3x8x110# (haven't done these for a while and it showed).
Power Jerk - 4x5 @ 45# (I still don't get deep enough in the squat/catch part, and I still tend to put my feet too wide. But I'm working on it).
Bench Press - 4x8 @ 95#. REALLY worked on form and keeping my shoulders/scaps in the right place.
DB Bent Row with Rotation - 4x10(e) @ 30#. I've never done this before - a regular bent row, but as you pull the weight up, you rotate your hand so that the palm is facing front (like you're ready to do a curl) as you finish. Kinda cool.
DB Complex - 3x @ 17.5#(e)
This consists of 6 each: Upright Row, Snatch, Squat Press, Bent Row, Snatch. I wasn't 100% sure what he wanted me to do on the snatches, so I did first set with one arm, then 2nd set with the other arm.
Took a while, but done. I felt weak after the deads, both in strength and in grip. They really take a lot out of me. And 165# was more than enough for doing 3 or 4 rep sets.
Man..... I cannot agree more with Tom hamster friend. You have all the signs of someone who needs to deload at a minimum! I have learned about deloading with Alan and my own program and it is a good thing. Every 4 weeks I do a deload and every 8 weeks a rest week. It was hard to swallow at first but I am hooked now on it. For deloading just take all your workouts and do less of them. Don't lift as hard on your lift days and don't push as hard on your cardio days. You still get to workout but be nice to yourself.
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Bytsi, nice nice deadlifts and bench presses! You are so strong! Sorry about the weight, that is still a puzzlement. I think SOMEONE like Leigh or Alan should take you on just as an experiment, since you seem to defy the laws of nature!
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because the food and water weighs that much. Don't worry, that 3# will come off after a nice huge dump.
ROTFL!!!
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Man..... I cannot agree more with Tom hamster friend. You have all the signs of someone who needs to deload at a minimum! I have learned about deloading with Alan and my own program and it is a good thing. Every 4 weeks I do a deload and every 8 weeks a rest week. It was hard to swallow at first but I am hooked now on it. For deloading just take all your workouts and do less of them. Don't lift as hard on your lift days and don't push as hard on your cardio days. You still get to workout but be nice to yourself.
I'm not against deloads, etc... but I honestly do not need one right this moment... AND with our vacation coming up in less than 2 weeks, I know I'll be doing major rest/deload even if I do manage to workout at all on vaca...
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Bytsi, nice nice deadlifts and bench presses! You are so strong! Sorry about the weight, that is still a puzzlement. I think SOMEONE like Leigh or Alan should take you on just as an experiment, since you seem to defy the laws of nature!
LOL. I don't know if I defy nature... I just let go of pounds slowly, and I think I'm pretty sensitive to glucose and sodium, etc... sigh...
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You never cease to amaze me with your insane strength! Way to rock that workout
Thanks Kara!
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Wow Bytsi... quite the workout! You rock! Try not to get discouraged by the scale number (I know... easier said than done!)
LOL thanks Lori.
Not enough NEAT today, but I made an effort to walk on the treadmill (slowly) for a while... multitasking...
If you don't want to deload, which makes sense considering your holiday, would you want to try this?
Rather than lift less often, do 2 workouts in one day = combine the karate class with a lifting workout?
When I started Olympic lifting I was faced with the question whether to have 4 days of lifting or not. Working out twice a day on Monday worked really well for me as I got to keep my 4 true rest days.
As of last week I've started a course on Monday night so thought to lift 4 days after all : Mo-Tue-Thurs-Sat, but was already so antsy about having 2 lifting days in a row I asked for and got permission to do Oly lifts on Tuesday morning instead.. so yay, will once again lift twice on Tuesday. Much better to lift twice one day than to have less recovery days.
The only thing is that on an Oly day one has to pick 'dumber' non-CNS straining exercises as it's very hard to technically straining stuff.
Don't know the first thing about karate, but I guess it's quite technical, so your lifting session that day should also be fairly straightforward non-taxing.
Meanwhile, ditch any interval-style cardio and just do more SS/NEAT.
Hey there. Just stopping by to say hi mostly and that you are so strong. It's very impressive.
I know you are frustrated, but you will figure this all out! I don't have any specific advice I guess. I don't know much about it, but I have seen others suggest a gluten connection? Have you thought about food sensitivities or tried eliminating certain things? I dunno, like I said don't know much about that stuff, just thinking out loud.
Have you thought about just putting the scale away for a couple weeks? The daily stress of weighing could be part of the problem! When I was working with Leigh, she originally had me doing daily weighing, but when it became an issue for me, I was told to put it away - no weighing at all! No number = nothing to stress about!!
Or try to combine the daily weighing with noting down where you are in your cycle.
It could be that the effect has become way more pronounced than in the past (no wonder with more libido etc) but I'm getting the biggest unexplanatory wt bumps when ovulation approaches. There's barely anything diet-related that bloats me nowadays, even with all the food sensitivities I'm having.
Once the ovulation has passed, wt will drop down again and only because I tend to eat like a pig in the week (it's getting THAT short yes) after it, wt will go up again. Others only see that bump with menstruation approaching.
Combining those 2 things will make it far easier to accept sudden whoosh-ups (your log is the first one where I ever read that term, but it makes perfect sense).
An eye-opener to me was also the wt gain after resuming training.. more DOMS = more inflammation = more water retention. Since I rarely take more time off than 4-5 days, I'd never seen that happen before.. moreso since normally I'd gain a ton of wt during time off, not see BW go down and then up again when training again..
In your case, totally related indeed to the new Oly training
Down 1/2# today, but still bouncing all over the place and nowhere NEAR the 130's, where I thought I'd solidly be by now. Read all comments, lots of thoughts... Did another 90-min LISS today (what will I do when I finally catch up on my tv show and don't have the DVD's to entertain?). HR never even approached 100... Karate later, but as I've said - no idea if it'll be strenuous or just standing around.
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You're still a ball of stress, little hamster
If you don't want to deload, which makes sense considering your holiday, would you want to try this?
Rather than lift less often, do 2 workouts in one day = combine the karate class with a lifting workout?
I had been doing the Oly session on the same day as karate - no go. Too tired afterwards. I can walk around a bit, do some NEAT, but not survive karate. I had to switch the Oly sessions to a non-karate day.
I have decided not to increase to 3 lifts/week (this includes the Oly session, and I only did this one week, and haven't managed 3 again anyway!). I'll do either M or T lift on my own, then Fri with the Oly coach. Thurs or one weekend day are my off day, and I do cardio the other days, but sometimes (like today) I don't even really sweat. And karate is M/W nights.
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When I started Olympic lifting I was faced with the question whether to have 4 days of lifting or not. Working out twice a day on Monday worked really well for me as I got to keep my 4 true rest days.
As of last week I've started a course on Monday night so thought to lift 4 days after all : Mo-Tue-Thurs-Sat, but was already so antsy about having 2 lifting days in a row I asked for and got permission to do Oly lifts on Tuesday morning instead.. so yay, will once again lift twice on Tuesday. Much better to lift twice one day than to have less recovery days.
The only thing is that on an Oly day one has to pick 'dumber' non-CNS straining exercises as it's very hard to technically straining stuff.
Don't know the first thing about karate, but I guess it's quite technical, so your lifting session that day should also be fairly straightforward non-taxing.
Meanwhile, ditch any interval-style cardio and just do more SS/NEAT.
I can't imagine lifting twice in one day... I'm definitely going back to the twice/week lifting, as that has worked best for me so far.
I ditched all HIIT, but I HAVE to leave a little interval cardio in there (even if only 1-2/week) because I think that not doing intervals really contributed to my difficulty at my last karate test. My intervals aren't super intense - if anything, because my body doesn't tolerate SS running, I consider run/walk to be intervals. One could consider it just an easier way for me to run with less wear & tear (instead of calling it intervals).
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Hey there. Just stopping by to say hi mostly and that you are so strong. It's very impressive.
I know you are frustrated, but you will figure this all out! I don't have any specific advice I guess. I don't know much about it, but I have seen others suggest a gluten connection? Have you thought about food sensitivities or tried eliminating certain things? I dunno, like I said don't know much about that stuff, just thinking out loud.
Thanks Bree.
I don't think I have a gluten tolerance, but I'm a work in progress and constantly tweaking my diet, so I'll consider that option... Hmmm...
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Nice workouts - impressive lifts there!!!
Have you thought about just putting the scale away for a couple weeks? The daily stress of weighing could be part of the problem! When I was working with Leigh, she originally had me doing daily weighing, but when it became an issue for me, I was told to put it away - no weighing at all! No number = nothing to stress about!!
The scale will be gone for 2 full weeks on vaca, and I'll see how that goes. Kind of a forced break from it, as I won't weigh on any other scale except my own (why freak out over differently-calibrated scale readings?).
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Or try to combine the daily weighing with noting down where you are in your cycle.
It could be that the effect has become way more pronounced than in the past (no wonder with more libido etc) but I'm getting the biggest unexplanatory wt bumps when ovulation approaches. There's barely anything diet-related that bloats me nowadays, even with all the food sensitivities I'm having.
Once the ovulation has passed, wt will drop down again and only because I tend to eat like a pig in the week (it's getting THAT short yes) after it, wt will go up again. Others only see that bump with menstruation approaching.
Combining those 2 things will make it far easier to accept sudden whoosh-ups (your log is the first one where I ever read that term, but it makes perfect sense).
An eye-opener to me was also the wt gain after resuming training.. more DOMS = more inflammation = more water retention. Since I rarely take more time off than 4-5 days, I'd never seen that happen before.. moreso since normally I'd gain a ton of wt during time off, not see BW go down and then up again when training again..
In your case, totally related indeed to the new Oly training
I do think some of the weight was Oly related, but I don't completely see why it's not leveling off...
As for my cycle, I do think I'm right around ovulation now. Never seen a real effect from it before, but I could be more sensitive / noticing more as time goes on. I just wish that, for once, I could have a big unexplained DROP instead of gain!!!!
Well, I'd have to say that monthly cycle was much more of a weight fluctuation when I was lighter than heavier (not counting the last few years, where I'm on a 3mo cycle) so, I could see it being that and something that before now went relatively unnoticed, since iirc you're down a bit overall.
I'm sure you'll come out fine. This is a place to express fear, resentment, and just plain frustration about the fact that we can't control (nor explain) this shit. And it's easy for the rest of us to tell you to not worry about it, because it's not our asses that feel like shit about the scale (today). So since you're not going overboard and starving yourself while attempting to run a marathon to get those pounds off, I'd say you're in a decent place, even if it is frustrating as hell.
On the bright side, you're fully aware of all your accomplishments, you're strong and pretty and have plenty of rest time now that you're not working. Hell, maybe that's part of it, even. Well, prolly not the pretty part. I can't see how being pretty makes the scale jump up, unless it hates you for being beautiful.
Bytsi,
Have you thought about maybe seeing a nutritionist? My body reacts differently and sometimes violently to certain foods (anywhere from bloating to breaking out in a rash to nausea/stomach issues to, well, dying). Seeing a nutritionist at least helped identify some of that for me. Now if only I could take the advice and stick to it...
Just a thought anyway.
And finally I am remembering from your pictures that you are one of the best culkers I have ever seen. You could just be putting on muscle with the new lifting. There is the up side of this whole thing....
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143# is NOT where I want or need to be. Cruise is in less than 2 weeks. Damnit!!!!
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