Cals 1100-1200: YES,
Macros roughly 33/33/33:YES
Water 2 litres : YES
Activity, 1 hour walk: YES
Sleep : YES
Waking Body Temp : 35.9 C Wt/Body fat% : 61.4kg, 20.4%
big drop in body temperature, maybe the low cals??
I am officially p****** off that I have regained weight this week on such low cals, don't know where to turn now
No advice just wanted you to know that I'm sorry this is happening to you.
Why not go back to around 1500kcal or the assumed real maintenance and try a snail's pace approach and up your calories at a pace of only 50 kcals extra a week, while letting the macros (PCF) fall how YOU like them best? If necessary stay at a certain range for a prolonged period of time. Plus a bit of zigzagging...
And meanwhile lifting heavy-ish but not too high volume and doing gentle cardio plus some hikes once the weather turns nicer?
I dunno about you, but I'd rather eat more and move more than eat so much less and move that much less as well, if only for peace of mind and to get the mind a bit away from dieting.
Really really wished for another outcome. It is good that nothing is wrong with your thyroid, but what the heck *is* wrong?
Why not go back to around 1500kcal or the assumed real maintenance and try a snail's pace approach and up your calories at a pace of only 50 kcals extra a week, while letting the macros (PCF) fall how YOU like them best? If necessary stay at a certain range for a prolonged period of time. Plus a bit of zigzagging...
And meanwhile lifting heavy-ish but not too high volume and doing gentle cardio plus some hikes once the weather turns nicer?
I dunno about you, but I'd rather eat more and move more than eat so much less and move that much less as well, if only for peace of mind and to get the mind a bit away from dieting.
Really really wished for another outcome. It is good that nothing is wrong with your thyroid, but what the heck *is* wrong?
thanks once again Espi for yout thoughts. I am also thinking along this line too. I do not want to stick on such low cals and I am itching to lift again too ( see it as very important when on lowish cals anyway)
i will post in the fatloss forum on Sat after I finish my 2 weeks at 1100-1200 and see if Leigh has any thoughts too. I will talk to my doc tomorrow about my results but apart from getting more iron and calcum I can't se he will say much.
He probably thinks you are one of those persons who underestimate their real intake. A vast majority of people can't count calories, especially not when they never weigh but just eyeball.
It's frustrating when you are one of the few who does everything right and then gets punished for it..
He probably thinks you are one of those persons who underestimate their real intake. A vast majority of people can't count calories, especially not when they never weigh but just eyeball.
It's frustrating when you are one of the few who does everything right and then gets punished for it..
Oh yeh, Iagree. I said to him that I relaise about 80% understimate thier intake but that I am really anal when it comes to measuring
just did a wts workout, 1st in two week and felt good but i didn't go heavy as I really felt less energy having been on such low cals.
Squats
10 x 20kg
10 x 40 kg
12 x 60kg
(8 x 70kg) x 3
12 x 60kg
Lat pulldowns
10 x 30kg
10 x 35 kg
8 x 40kg
(5 x 45kg) x 3
Bench Press
10 x 12kg
10 x 22kg
(5 x 32kg) x 3
10 x 22kg
Feels good to be back in the gym. Go higher in your calories on lifting days
And what did the doctor say about you being anal on food intake? Just shrugged his shoulders I suppose? From what I've read on the stopthethyroidmadnes.com it's very hard to find good endocrinologists and another point is that it both thyroid & adrenal problems are very much intertwined.
I'm starting to get convinced my problems are/were mostly adrenal problems, as was shown at the time (2003) because of elevated cortisol levels. But somehow my T3 was really low too, even though I'd been eating at or even above maintenance for several months already and at pretty decent levels too, which is why I got T3 meds.
Their effect was really very good: feeling calm instead of being a nervous wreck and finally decent libido plus several fertility signs I'd never seen before..
The puzzling part is that your thyroid levels are still being inside the lab range, despite the fact your maintenance is abysmally low. The only real pointer is your too low morning temp, which has been totally dismissed by your ignorant doctor.. maybe an endocrinologist will finally listen? And not just look at lab ranges but go by symptoms?
Feels good to be back in the gym. Go higher in your calories on lifting days
And what did the doctor say about you being anal on food intake? Just shrugged his shoulders I suppose? From what I've read on the stopthethyroidmadnes.com it's very hard to find good endocrinologists and another point is that it both thyroid & adrenal problems are very much intertwined.
I'm starting to get convinced my problems are/were mostly adrenal problems, as was shown at the time (2003) because of elevated cortisol levels. But somehow my T3 was really low too, even though I'd been eating at or even above maintenance for several months already and at pretty decent levels too, which is why I got T3 meds.
Their effect was really very good: feeling calm instead of being a nervous wreck and finally decent libido plus several fertility signs I'd never seen before..
The puzzling part is that your thyroid levels are still being inside the lab range, despite the fact your maintenance is abysmally low. The only real pointer is your too low morning temp, which has been totally dismissed by your ignorant doctor.. maybe an endocrinologist will finally listen? And not just look at lab ranges but go by symptoms?
well Espi, you will read Leigh's reply on the fatloss forum and see she thinks it is all very normal. I have a slow metabolism and I should just accept it.
COMPLIANCE FOR SATURDAY
Cals 1100-1200: NO, 1550
Macros roughly 33/33/33:YES
Water 2 litres : YES
Activity, 1 hour walk: YES and Weightlifting
Sleep : YES
Waking Body Temp : 36.5 C Wt/Body fat% : 61.7kg, 20.7%
I went to a Baroque Music and Literature evening last night in a little bar in a cellar in Nice Old Town. It sounds boring but was very cool. They served a homemade 18th century drink called Hypocrace (sp?) which is white wine, milk and a bunch of spices, served chilled not sure they would have had peanuts and pretzels though in a 1700s ale house
After a week of rain, finally a sunny day today. I plan on a trip to the market, a walk by the canal and maybe a couple of hours on the beach with a good book
Why the heck would she write a Metabolic Repair Manual and expect people to follow it & be able to not gain weight and perhaps even drop wt (when they are obese to begin with), when she now tells you to 'STFU" because you just have slow metabolism but not a slow thyroid.
YOU chose to do MRM NOT because you were dissatisfied about your BW or bf% but because it took you an incredible amount of effort to get & stay there = lotsa exercise + very little eating.
It wasn't that you expected to lose wt. But once you started MRM you were gaining. OK, yes, of course that food poisoning can throw your wt loss process out of wack, but like you stated yourself, it would have been more normal if you had gained the wt back right away, rather than 2 weeks later... UNLESS and now I'm just guessing, you were just ovulating. Like I've said a few times before, I'm gaining unexpectedly nearly always around ovulation and drop wt no matter how much I eat right after TOM. So, in case you were ovulating that would explain the blip.
Still, I'm totally dissatisfied about how things progress for you.. except for your strength. You are truly 1 strong girl.. you should be very proud of yourself! Not only can you run fast (well I suppose you can, with doing a half marathon?) but you're helluva strong girl.
The only thing I can say yes about = relax about it all, while keeping a close eye on your health as well as food intake (plan for more food on training days & less on off days). You aren't losing hair I hope?
Why the heck would she write a Metabolic Repair Manual and expect people to follow it & be able to not gain weight and perhaps even drop wt (when they are obese to begin with), when she now tells you to 'STFU" because you just have slow metabolism but not a slow thyroid.
YOU chose to do MRM NOT because you were dissatisfied about your BW or bf% but because it took you an incredible amount of effort to get & stay there = lotsa exercise + very little eating.
It wasn't that you expected to lose wt. But once you started MRM you were gaining. OK, yes, of course that food poisoning can throw your wt loss process out of wack, but like you stated yourself, it would have been more normal if you had gained the wt back right away, rather than 2 weeks later... UNLESS and now I'm just guessing, you were just ovulating. Like I've said a few times before, I'm gaining unexpectedly nearly always around ovulation and drop wt no matter how much I eat right after TOM. So, in case you were ovulating that would explain the blip.
Still, I'm totally dissatisfied about how things progress for you.. except for your strength. You are truly 1 strong girl.. you should be very proud of yourself! Not only can you run fast (well I suppose you can, with doing a half marathon?) but you're helluva strong girl.
The only thing I can say yes about = relax about it all, while keeping a close eye on your health as well as food intake (plan for more food on training days & less on off days). You aren't losing hair I hope?
to be honest I do not really agre with her either on this, though she has much more experience than I. No I wasn't ovulating and in fact it was right after TOM!! and I always see my weight go back up after vomitting but always within the next two days not a week later I don't think the regain in the second week is just normal fluctuationds. thanks for the encouragment re strength. I am not a fast runner but this last marathon I did in 4:08, which was fine by me I do need to stop stressing, and I think I will start lifting again three times a week and eat more on those days and take it from there. Fortunately I am not losing hair i think for the time being I will keep taking my morning temperature as well.
OK, we're still on the same page then when it comes to TOM. Your former one came on the same day as mine and the last one slightly later.. but still more or less in sync .
Zoey's story did set off alarm bells for me in reference to your own lab results: having normal levels despite feeling crappy and then seeing things go out of wack all of a sudden. Not good!
I understand your frustration, although I've never had anything to add. I admit that I'm hoping as I get lower that I turn out to be blessed with my mother's metabolism. Good luck with whatever the future brings you.
not sure they would have had peanuts and pretzels though in a 1700s ale house 
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