Yes, ice for the injuries ... it's never too late. 20 minutes on, 20 minutes off. As much as you can stand. Get more rest/sleep. Be gentle with yourself.
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Are innocent vegetables the cause of my "inability to lose weight ???????
Down another 2 pounds today!!!.....
The scale said 166 today, the lowest number in 2 years!!! *
why???
One thing I can think of (besides weighing food instead of measuring food), is that I AM counting the calories in vegetables, whereas before I was not!
... Go figure, broccoli was the cause of my not losing weight???
... and I am drinking 9-10 water aiming for 16
I'll take it, whatever the reason, my pants are looser!
I had only lost 5 pounds from March to Aug 25 5 months of intense 5x/week exercise and what I thought was 1200 calories. [During that time, I had probably daily been eating 1.5-2C raw brocolli OR asparagus OR cauli, plus a 3-4C salad (lettuce celery tomato cuke) every day. I counted cal for starchy vegies...] WeightWatchers had said "vegetables are free." I guess that's for the fast food junkies who might squeeze in 1/2C of cafeteria overcooked broccoli...
Leigh, here are the numbers:
In March=178; begin REPAIR Aug 25=173; end REPAIR 10/20=175; today 10/30=166
I am down 9 pounds from Oct 20 end of REPAIR/refeed
I am down 7 pounds from Aug 25 begin of REPAIR.
Etana, you are rockin' this challenge! I love your consistency and your attention to detail.
Leigh has said before that she's seen people blow caloric deficits on broccoli or even on "calorie-free" (except that it's really not) cooking spray, so yeah, I bet the vegetables were to blame. Calories are calories, and they add up. of course, it would be harder to overeat on vegetables than sugar or fast food, but I'm sure that it can be done, especially if you're trying to hit a tough deficit like 35%.
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Your body keeps an accurate journal regardless of what you write down...
Etana, you are rockin' this challenge! I love your consistency and your attention to detail.
Leigh has said before that she's seen people blow caloric deficits on broccoli or even on "calorie-free" (except that it's really not) cooking spray, so yeah, I bet the vegetables were to blame. Calories are calories, and they add up. of course, it would be harder to overeat on vegetables than sugar or fast food, but I'm sure that it can be done, especially if you're trying to hit a tough deficit like 35%.
Sinead and all,
It's so hard to believe though.
I feel I dont' really have a clue what has made this weigh drop happen.I dont' trust it. Before today's 2 lbs, I was thinking, well, 171, dropped a few pounds, that's it for me for the rest of the challenge. My eyes popped out when there was another whoosh 2 pounds today. My pants were loose. If this is science as Leigh says, I still don't have the key.
With the One Big Meal, I'd noticed I WASN'T eating very many vegies. I'd make the recipe, load on the protein, put in more carb than I'm used to, more fat, and some vegies.. Like with Leigh's Broccoli Ground Meat enchilada, it was oilier and meatier and starchier than I'm used to so I kind of ate "less food" that day.. The simple 4 servings of OneBigMeal, a protein shake and that was the day. I was full enough...
I wish I knew what I was doing that worked so I could keep doing it, and avoid what would sabotage it.
Please note that the broccoli never made you 'gain' or 'stall'.. it's the total calories.
That and you staying at the same goddamn (sorry for the swearing) low amount of calories no matter what.
Reason for swearing is that I am a *religious zealot* about zigzagging and adamant about eating at or above maintenance at least once and preferably twice a week (i'm doing it 3 times!). It's not bad to go really low in calories 4-5 days/week but it sux monkey balls to do this all the frigging time.
So.. what you now see happening is your body responding to the weeks of repairing your metabolism and bumping up the calories. Your metabolism was never really broken.. it's just that the body adapts to every calorie intake you consistently throw at it .. the upper limit is not as flexible as the lower limit though. At least for most of us that gain easily. The ectomorphs in our world see the reverse.. having a lower limit of calorie intake that's not as flexible as the upper limit.. they eat & eat & eat and still can't gain much since their bodies go in overdrive (becoming way more active, turning up the heat etc.).
Mine just gets cold very fast.. how about yours? I couldn't handle intermittent fasting for that reason once I understood that this phenomenon of being cold was not 'normal' but a sign of a slowed metabolism. This is how I felt for all of my adult life, except for the last 5 yrs when I started paying attention to what & when I ate. I'm extremely fond of my little body furnace and do everythihng I can to keep the heat up.
Hhmmm why am I telling you all this?.. well just to give you a perspective on to what you're experiencing now and to show how you may keep the deficit going.
I couldn't handle intermittent fasting for that reason once I understood that this phenomenon of being cold was not 'normal' but a sign of a slowed metabolism. This is how I felt for all of my adult life, except for the last 5 yrs when I started paying attention to what & when I ate. I'm extremely fond of my little body furnace and do everythihng I can to keep the heat up.
thanks for these insights, Espi. I have no trouble with IF BUT DO feel cold when all around me don't and am sure it is due to years of undereating. I am looking forward to the metabolic repair.
keep weighing and measuring everything Etana, even your veggies and enjoy the refeeds .
I'm getting sloppy ever since the double weight drop this week.
1. I need to start logging my food each day for the previous day, not skipping and logging in 3 days
2. I need to really be accountable with the OBM: meaning I eat nothing that is not created in the morning or night before; this is getting sloppy
it all seems to take so much time... the reporting
the eating off schedule, that's another matter; that should be easier, since it doesnt' take any TIME!
OBM: Day 10 Wed 10/29/2008 (One Big Meal)
calories are 1375 by Julie Keen's PT estimate
POOR---- Macros HIGH---1698cal (goal = 1375 cal) LOW----fat: 33% .... 61gm .... (goal fat ....36g or more) YES---- pro:32% ....134gm.....(goal prot ...145 g or more) N/A---- carb:36%....108gm ...(no carb goal)
weight 10/27= 166 down 9 lbs! (175 end of refeed 10/20);
(begin REPAIR 8/25=173)
__________________________ OBM Foodweighed in fitday.com http://fitday.com/fitness/Publ icJournals.html?Owner=etanafin kler
1. whey protein shake,
2. turkey burger, bean soup, apple
3. salad with steakor chicken, avocado x 2 meals
4. greek yogurt and blackberries
5. halloween candy pre-halloween: 1 minibar butterfingers, 8 miniature reese's peanut cup, 41g whoppers , 2 minibars wonka laffy taffy UGH to write that is pathetic...,
All food prepared the evening before EXCEPT #5
__________________________ Exercise & water
Aerobic/interval class at work
Water: 8 cups (goal is 16 cups), got to improve the water
Push up challenge 3x/day: not yet
Comments (One Big Meal) Acknowledgement:
1. BM= ?? for digestion issue details see 9/1/08 log) 2. Sleep: ?
3. Water ? about 8-10, not bad
3. Foot tendon: sore
4. today is a rest day as planned in the structure. (yesterday hurt knee and hip)
5. written Sun 11/2: what is NOT working: after I dropped to 166, i immediately sabotaged myself by candy, 1 higher calorie day, moving away from OBM One Big Meal, and "because" I hurt my knee/hip, I stopped mobility exercise. So of course the weight came back up... I'm glad I am writing this log at all, or I would totally lose momentum. I will be reporting the day after instead of 3 days after, because that works, and I will be compliant to game because that works.
Instead of celebrating the HUGE weight drop, now it's Sunday, and I'm up 3 pounds of that wonderful drop.
To Do Better today:
Increase water!
Increase sleep!
OBM: Day 10 Thu 10/30/2008 (One Big Meal)
calories are 1375 by Julie Keen's PT estimate
GOOD---- Macros OKAY---1216cal (goal = 1375 cal) recover from high day OKAY----fat: 33% .... 45gm .... (goal fat ....36g or more) N/A---- carb:36%....119gm ...(no carb goal) LOW---- pro:32% ....91gm.....(goal prot ...145 g or more)
weight 10/29= 166 steady 9 lbs! (175 end of refeed 10/20);
(begin REPAIR 8/25=173)
__________________________ OBM Foodweighed in fitday.com http://fitday.com/fitness/Publ icJournals.html?Owner=etanafin kler
1. whey protein shake, oatmeal
2. stuffed pepper w/chicken sausage, shrimp, salmon, cauliflower
3. bean soup, chicken
4. 1/2 small butterfinger 9gm
5. salad, avocado, trek mix nuts, 1/2c popcorn
All food NOT prepared the evening
__________________________ Exercise & water
jazzercise
Water: 10 cups (goal is 16 cups), got to improve the water
Push up challenge 3x/day: not yet
Comments (One Big Meal) Acknowledgement:
1. BM= ?? for digestion issue details see 9/1/08 log) 2. Sleep: ?
3. Foot tendon: sore
4. Exercise: Jazzercise
5. written Sun 11/2: This just takes too long to write. I need to figure out how to paste my excel spreadsheet here. I'm spending more time tracking than exercising and this does not work for me. I need to track, but much simpler here.
OBM: Day 10 Fri 10/31/2008 (One Big Meal)
calories are 1375 by Julie Keen's PT estimate
GOOD---- Macros OKAY---1375cal (goal = 1375 cal) recover from high day OKAY----fat: 33% .... 49gm .... (goal fat ....36g or more) N/A---- carb:40%....135gm ...(no carb goal) LOW---- pro:27%....87gm.....(goal prot ...145 g or more)
weight 10/29= 168 creeping up (175 end of refeed 10/20);
(begin REPAIR 8/25=173)
__________________________ OBM Foodweighed in fitday.com http://fitday.com/fitness/Publ icJournals.html?Owner=etanafin kler
1. egg white, lox, mashed potatoes
2. roast beef and apple
3. COSTCO snacking estimated in fitday.com
5. stuffed pepper w/chicken sausage, shrimp, salmon, cauliflower
6. 2 hersheys miniatures, 20 pistachio nuts
All food NOT prepared the evening
__________________________ Exercise & water
none
Water: 10 cups (goal is 16 cups), got to improve the water
Push up challenge 3x/day: not yet
Comments (One Big Meal) Acknowledgement: I counted what I ate in COSTCO and wrote it in fitday and did NOT go over calorie target.
1. BM= ?? for digestion issue details see 9/1/08 log) 2. Sleep: ?
3. Foot tendon: sore: went to second surgeon up in Baltimore. I liked him. He suggested 2 cuts and 1 tendon repair; other surgeon suggested 4 cuts and 2 tendon repairs. I will see my podiatrist Wed this week for his opinion. I feel more comfortable about the surgery and think it will help in the long run.
4. Exercise: none
5. written Sun 11/2: This just takes too long to write.
6. I am not eating enuf protein and eating too much junk. My scale weight is increasing. This will be pulled back in.
OBM: Day 15 Sat 11/01/2008 (One Big Meal)
calories are 1375 by Julie Keen's PT estimate
GOOD---- Macros OKAY---1350cal (goal = 1375 cal) recover from high day OKAY----fat: 32% .... 49gm .... (goal fat ....36g or more) N/A---- carb:37%....129gm ...(no carb goal) LOW---- pro:31%....107gm.....(goal prot ...145 g or more)
weight 11/2= 169 creeping up!! (175 end of refeed 10/20);
(begin REPAIR 8/25=173)
__________________________ OBM Foodweighed in fitday.com http://fitday.com/fitness/Publ icJournals.html?Owner=etanafin kler
1. apple, jazzercise, tiny tastes at trader joe's=100cal
2. stuffed pepper w/chicken sausage, shrimp, salmon, cauliflower x 3
3. 100gm mashed potatoes
4. 1 c popcorn on salad w/avocado, greek yogurt w/blackberries
5. 3 hersheys miniatures, 1 small reese's cup
All food NOT prepared the evening /morning
__________________________ Exercise & water
Jazzercise and gardening
Water: 10 cups (goal is 16 cups)
Push up challenge 3x/day: not yet
Comments (One Big Meal) Acknowledgement: Back to 3 big meals and did exercise and water
1. BM= 0 for digestion issue details see 9/1/08 log) 2. Sleep: ?
3. Foot tendon: sore: went to second surgeon
4. Went to gastroenterologist: he said my BM infrequency is probably okay; food probably can't change it. I scheduled a colonoscophy but may postpone it to to "too much to do"
5. written Sun 11/2: This just takes too long to write.
6. I am not eating enuf protein still. Need to plan some meals for this week. It takes too long. I have so much to do now: just bought a new Mac PowerBook Pro and need to set it up, upgrade and back up 3 other home computers, tidy home, lots of stuff to do before surgery, plus I am visiting my sister for a week of Thanksgiving Whew !! I've taken on so much...
The exercise and eating are SMALL compared to the planning and reporting... This will have to get much more streamlined....
This catches me up to today. No chocolate or nut/nibbling today.
Etana, How was the 2nd opinion appt for your foot? That was Friday wasn't it?
Thanks for asking.
Adult flatfoot: posterior tibial tendon dysfunction: the arch tendon is torn (tendonitis) and they need to substitute another tendon to serve its purpose. The also do a cut in the heel bone to shift the angle of my arch/foot. And one other small bone removal.
The first doctor wanted to do 4 cuts and both the tendon repair and also an achilles tendon lengthening.
Second doctor said, "who knows, in 20 years studies may show the other way is better, but he preferred doing less. He does several a week, and most of his practice is now this surgery.
I also prefer doing less cuts.
I will see my podiatrist Wed this week for his opinion, and then make an apt for early December. I feel more comfortable about the surgery in general now, and think it will help in the long run. They said long term recovery should be good.
4 weeks crutches
4 weeks foot boot
first 6 weeks foot 100% off the ground, no pressure.
Again, it's if I want to have a sedentary life, I can make do with an Arizona brace. If I want to be active=surgery.
photo of me climbing Annapurna in the Himalayas/Nepal
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Originally Posted by Jedi
by the way do you have a photo of you in the Himalayas? do you have mountains where you live?
Here's that photo of me climbing Annapurna in the Himalayas of Nepal in 1985 at age of 39, and another fun photo of me in Nepal after losing weight from Malaria (my goal weight now!)
How do you get the photos to appear in the message? instead of just a link?
In photobucket copy the IMG url (it's the one on the bottom)of your image. Paste that into the body of your email. My daughter taught me this one last week.
Hope your surgery does well. I had the achilles lengthening it helped a lot. The other bits I can't speak to.
In photobucket copy the IMG url (it's the one on the bottom)of your image. Paste that into the body of your email. My daughter taught me this one last week.
thanks for posting those photos, they are awesome and I hope you get to that goal weight without something drastic like malaria this time those were the days of the external frames on all rucksacks!
Flashback to 1985 when I.. errrrrrr... was on one of my first solo-trip which happened to be a very modest 1 week trip to Belgium & Luxemburg (our neighbouring country). I vividly remember to have bought a so-called 'suit-case backpack'. Totally unsuitable for treks like yours in the Himalaya, but quite suitable for travelling on the train.
Later on I've bought a sturdier type but it was always an internal fram backpack. But yeah.. about half of the people on the train /in youth hostels wore those external frame backpacks.
I bought my first big rucksack aged 18 to hitch round Europe with a boyfriend. It was one of the first internal farmes Karrimor did, I think. I am still using it 26 years and 45+ countries later
thanks for posting those photos, they are awesome and I hope you get to that goal weight without something drastic like malaria this time those were the days of the external frames on all rucksacks!
I travelled around the world for 5 years. I started heavy, gained 15 pounds on Kibbutz in Israel which had a free cafeteria breakfast lunch and supper!!! Oy Vey... but then in Turkey we walked about 4 hours a day exploring around villages. We'd walk 90 minutes out of the town we were staying in, I'd sit and paint watercolor for 4 hours or so, then we'd walk back. We lived on salad, sheep or goat cheese, large freshly baked bread and I forget what else... dried apricots and dryroasted garbanzo beans mmm. I lost maybe 35 pounds pretty quickly, lost more in India with no chocolate anywhere to be seen. So I think actually these photos are right BEFORE I got malaria, where I lost another 15 pounds. Gained it back, darn...
When I bought that external frame pack, the internal frame packs' support was all in the shoulders. The external were revolutionary to put the weight on the hips. Is that where the weight is in the internal frame pack? I assumed they are smaller than the external. I carried 55 pounds on my back in these travels. Probably 10 pounds of watercolor paints and paper.
It was nice to pull up those photos. Hopefully after my surgery in maybe 18 months, I can take another adventure!
I travelled around the world for 5 years. I started heavy, gained 15 pounds on Kibbutz in Israel which had a free cafeteria breakfast lunch and supper!!! Oy Vey... but then in Turkey we walked about 4 hours a day exploring around villages. We'd walk 90 minutes out of the town we were staying in, I'd sit and paint watercolor for 4 hours or so, then we'd walk back. We lived on salad, sheep or goat cheese, large freshly baked bread and I forget what else... dried apricots and dryroasted garbanzo beans mmm. I lost maybe 35 pounds pretty quickly, lost more in India with no chocolate anywhere to be seen. So I think actually these photos are right BEFORE I got malaria, where I lost another 15 pounds. Gained it back, darn...
When I bought that external frame pack, the internal frame packs' support was all in the shoulders. The external were revolutionary to put the weight on the hips. Is that where the weight is in the internal frame pack? I assumed they are smaller than the external. I carried 55 pounds on my back in these travels. Probably 10 pounds of watercolor paints and paper.
It was nice to pull up those photos. Hopefully after my surgery in maybe 18 months, I can take another adventure!
well you certainly look GREAT in those photos at that weight I love Turkish food and that is exactly what I ate this summer when I was hiking in Bulgaria as their food is identical! I lost wieght too..... Yes the internal framed rucksacks are less bulky but can be large, mine is 70 litres... You are clearly an adventurer I haven't been to Israel yet.
OBM: Day 16 Sun 11/02/2008 (One Big Meal)
168: weight 11/3
175: end of refeed 10/20
173: begin REPAIR 8/25
I'm exploring ways to continue to report everyday, (since my actions and results are better/more accountable), but have it be simpler and less time consuming.
In future posts, these 2 links will be in signature line, and only updated weight and comments will be reported here in log. The spreadsheets are accessible to all. Comments about how easy/hard to access or understand are welcome.
Here is a link to a Google spreadsheet. http://spreadsheets.google.com/ ccc?key=pA1aOBup85oGN75mbpMPnS w
The numbers highlighted in yellow are the current numbers for today (left to right):
Calories for last week: Target calories
This morning's scale weight
Yesterday's calories compared to target calories
Yesterday's exercise, including Mobility (M); Stretch (S), FoamRoller (F)
Yesterday's water & sleep .
If you look at the bottom, there are 2 tabs/worksheets: data and measurements.
Comments (One Big Meal) Acknowledgement:- I'm taking action to simplify my reporting structure. - I met my calorie target yesterday.- No chocolate as promised
To Do Better today:
Increase water!
Increase sleep!
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