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Old 10-14-2009, 09:08 PM   #1441 (permalink)
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Keith, let me know which book(s) you're looking at. I could part with one or two since I really don't use them.
I am not sure! LOL. I'll have to take a closer look and get back to you. Not in a huge hurry, sorta enjoying what I am doing now. Feels like I am getting a ton of work done at the gym.
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Why not consider how you can merge Ross's training philosophy with Steve Cotter's KB training philosophy? Ross is more about power and speed, and Steve is about efficiency, smoothness, mobility/flexiblity, and a healthy dose of animal movements. Big overlap, but different focuseses. Yet, both are dramatically in great shape and capable of amazing things.

If you want to brainstorm it, I'm in.

I think simpler is in order. Lay out core lifts/movements and their progressions, but let the others fall where they will. You will progress in most areas, but actively tracking each and every aspect is very cumbersome. Ross's II, for example, makes sure things progress over time, but not by x percentages, but by making them more challenging.

On the other hand, if KBs (for instance) are of interest to you, some KB progressions to get better in that area can take the place of intervals, complexes, and cardio. Especially as the weather gets worse and you need an indoor/home alternative.
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Why not consider how you can merge Ross's training philosophy with Steve Cotter's KB training philosophy? Ross is more about power and speed, and Steve is about efficiency, smoothness, mobility/flexiblity, and a healthy dose of animal movements. Big overlap, but different focuseses. Yet, both are dramatically in great shape and capable of amazing things.

If you want to brainstorm it, I'm in.

I think simpler is in order. Lay out core lifts/movements and their progressions, but let the others fall where they will. You will progress in most areas, but actively tracking each and every aspect is very cumbersome. Ross's II, for example, makes sure things progress over time, but not by x percentages, but by making them more challenging.

On the other hand, if KBs (for instance) are of interest to you, some KB progressions to get better in that area can take the place of intervals, complexes, and cardio. Especially as the weather gets worse and you need an indoor/home alternative.
Yes, let's, especially since I've modified Ross' stuff so much that I've probably strayed from the original goodness. You mentioning Steve's philosophy reminded me of just feeling like I'm not moving as well as I used to and should be. It may not be horrible, but it could certainly be better.

Everything needs to be indoor/home-based with options for going outdoors, even in not-so-bad weather--the fewer hurdles to getting moving, the better. As I get into the groove, I can expand the repertoire.

Oh yeah, and I have nothing of Steve's FML. In the meantime, I can pull mobility/flexibility from Mark Verstegen, and Ross does have some animal movements, though I'd be interested to see Steve's take on them.
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Why are you looking for a powercage and olympic set at this time?
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It's more for the girl. She's still paying a monthly membership to the gym but hasn't been in months and really has no intention of returning unless I go, too, which I'm not, so if I put the equipment in the garage, I'm hoping I can get her to stop wasting the money she is.

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maybe I knew before that.

and you should really watch your cereal intake, Ben. shame.
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Cereal??
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It was worth a shot. I had frank s convinced of my psychic abilities based on a few "shot in the dark" cereal comments.
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Ah. Yeah, I've had a couple bowls of oatmeal this year; otherwise, I haven't touched cold cereal in a few years, best I can recall. It helps to not have milk in the house. Can't say the same about cheese.

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So I haven't lifted a finger toward a workout since my last bout of walking around Portland on Sunday; in fact, I haven't lifted a finger around the house except to clear some clutter, but dishes, laundry, general cleaning, and the yard still need doing (I actually did attempt to do the yard, but the lawn mower won't fire, most likely due to a corroded spark plug wire, but I'm going to try just replacing the decent-looking spark plug first since it's pretty inexpensive). Instead, I've been reading, having finished Until It Hurts between wheels-up in Portland and wheels-down in Charlotte, having finished (by the end of tonight) How to Win Friends & Influence People (which is leading to some interesting experiments in thought and behavior), and cramming in the YFS2 stuff that's due the first week of November--if I don't feel comfortable submitting my exam by then, I'll just eat the fifty bucks to "re-enroll" for an extension.

On the work front, my current job continues to be a temp gig with no change coming in the foreseeable future, mainly because the powers-that-be are still--STILL--quibbling over my job title and description, the outcome of which actually has some implications on the salary range (as it's currently written, it's higher than what I signed on for, but they've added so much stuff that it's justified; if they try to keep the new description and original pay, there's going to have to be some discussion). The youth fitness gig is still available, but I'd basically be starting from scratch, literally, so as much as I'd enjoy that work, there's no way I could swing it exclusively. More likely, I'd have to do it on the side as it grows for a few years before there being any shot at going all-in. The thing is, the luster is gone from my current job now that all my students are up to speed on their work, so I don't have to do as much technical work that I enjoy; instead, I'm mostly behind a desk pushing paper, making calls, trading emails, and doing very little of what drew me to the job in the first place. It does, however, carry unparalleled security and benefits. Meh.

Back to training, I've gone over that in previous posts. I still haven't come up with a good compromise--or even direct program--for where I want to go next, but I do need to get moving. As such, my "workouts" for awhile my not consist of anything more than (p)rehab, qigong, Grey Cook progressions, Verstegen and IYCA potpourri, and the occasional density or interval workout, just so long as I do something more than the nothing I've been doing. I do have to say that reading Dale Carnegie has at least improved my mindset, and that'll hopefully snowball with the tweaks and overhauls I'm looking at in my interpersonal dealings for the next little bit.

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Cereal is junk food, mostly. I would love to say I have not eaten any of it in a year, but the gf tends to keep some in the house, and well, sometimes I suck.

How are you liking "win friends and influence people"? Is it something you would recommend? I have a slight queue right now, but might be something I should look into.

Good luck with the gig man. Is the youth thing something you will be able to do part time with the current job, if you end up staying?

I am not familiar with Grey Cook, but if you are bored and think your mobility is suffering, then something basic focusing on mobility work might be good. I personally don't think I am going to be looking to squat with any weight anytime soon. Watching video of good form and decent flexibility I know I am sadly lacking. I need to address that. Mobility and flexibility and this prying concept will be a lot of my off days I think.

As long as you are staying active and doing more than sitting on the couch. Despite what some people seem to think, training is not strictly about lifting weights and getting hyoooggeeee.

Also I think I am just gonna grab all 3 of Ross's books as I think they all may be useful and are not overly expensive, so I am gonna pass on your offer.
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Cereal is junk food, mostly. I would love to say I have not eaten any of it in a year, but the gf tends to keep some in the house, and well, sometimes I suck.
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How are you liking "win friends and influence people"? Is it something you would recommend? I have a slight queue right now, but might be something I should look into.
I just finished it. I know I rushed a little through the last couple chapters, but it's tough to recommend a book like that since some people are just naturally empathizing and diplomatic. I am neither, so implementing the ideas in the book would be a major shift for me. I did like it, it was a quick read (the first time), and it certainly couldn't do any harm.

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Yeah, that's kinda the plan for now. The more I've thought about it, the more I like the temp status--it means I'm not tied down; however, other than taxes being taken out for me, I get no benefits, so it's six and a half-dozen. If the youth fitness thing were to explode in the next couple months, I'd still be able to easily pursue that, but once I'm a permanent hire, it'd be a little more difficult. On the other hand, getting that permenancy would let me set aside regular time to devote to the youth fitness stuff--an evening or three and regular weekend stuff.

I'm also still toying with a corporate wellness-type program at work that might grab me some extra green on the side and negate the need for additional side work while letting me continue to develop my coaching abilities (based on the IYCA stuff).

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I am not familiar with Grey Cook, but if you are bored and think your mobility is suffering, then something basic focusing on mobility work might be good. I personally don't think I am going to be looking to squat with any weight anytime soon. Watching video of good form and decent flexibility I know I am sadly lacking. I need to address that. Mobility and flexibility and this prying concept will be a lot of my off days I think.

As long as you are staying active and doing more than sitting on the couch. Despite what some people seem to think, training is not strictly about lifting weights and getting hyoooggeeee.
Upper-body mobility and posture is a slight concern; lower-body is not, but yeah, other than the two areas of hypertrophy that interest me, SOME kind of activity would be nice. Of course, I've continued my beer experimentations here, so that tends to sap the motivation a bit

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Cool. There's a lot of overlap in the philosophies but enough variety to warrant buying all the books. Enjoy!
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Thought you might like this video. All in one gym.

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That's pretty sweet. I'd have to get a smaller tire, though

So I still haven't done ANYthing physically redeeming, but that's given me time to (a) rest the foot, which is hurting much less over the past week or so, even though I did a LOT of walking yesterday, and (b) catch up on reading--finished two books in the past two weeks and am cramming the YFS2 stuff. I'm not terribly worried right now since I've also been dealing with a monster head cold the last few days, so at least I'm still just taking what my body gives me. I have a feeling that Saturday is going to bring some activity since it'll be my first day without an alarm in longer than I care to remember.
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@ cereal

Fiber one is awesome. Getcha a big ol bowl full and clear a bath to the shitter.
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Yeah, you'd probably need a bath after a big bowl.
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What's wrong with you guys that fiber does that to you? I can eat a box and have no negative (or positive, depending) effects.
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I don't look at is as something being wrong. It's a great party trick.
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I'm assuming LD eats fiber "all the time". That's you're problem right there. You go a month or two eating nothing but little debbies and then bust out with a man bowl of fiber o's and the "oh shit bar" is a necessity.
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I realized this morning that yesterday was the first time since March that I haven't had any significant foot pain. Of course, I started today with a stinger when I got to work, but hey, it's a start.
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Well, crap, my kettlebell supplier just down the street discontinued the smooth black version they made (same as those Steve Cotter used at last year's summit). This may make future purchases a little cost-prohibitive since I wasn't having to pay for shipping. I need to get over there and buy what I can before they sell out, though.
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What brand and model are they?
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They're branded by the company up the road (MuscleDriver), but they're the smooth, black, glossy ones with the 1.5" handle. Not competition style.
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Apparently they do sell competition style kettlebells now - though I've been happy with the gray ones I've bought from them.
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I saw, but I'm not really interested in those. They bill the grey ones as being "textured," so, are they, and how does it affect movement in the hand?

The reason I want to find a supplier who makes the same style that I have is that, eventually, I want to pair up all my KBs so I can do double-KB movements rather than only single-KB stuff. Not that I'm ANYwhere near tapped out for stuff to do
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The texture is on the bells, I think. It says the handles are smooth. Ask them if the gray ones are from the same mold, and if they are they should be the same size and handle height, so renegade rows, etc. will work well.
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Are these the ones you are talking about? Ie the one on the right is the glossy black and the one in the back is the textured gray?


Glad I got mine a matched set when I did, I was still wondering if it was a good buy, I don't use both of them at the same time. But nice to have the option.

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Yup - I have the gray style and have had no problems with it.
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I'll have to take some time off work to go by and see for myself, but yes, the size difference was my main concern, especially with the non-metal bottom (even if the mold is the same, the bottoms might add a quarter-inch to the overall height, but I guess I could just, ya know, remove them *shrug*). I'm also a little OCD about matching sets, so I'll see if I can get past that, too

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Are these the ones you are talking about? Ie the one on the right is the glossy black and the one in the back is the textured gray?


Glad I got mine a matched set when I did, I was still wondering if it was a good buy, I don't use both of them at the same time. But nice to have the option.

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Yup - I have the gray style and have had no problems with it.
...they seem to do the trick
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About the only thing I don't like about the grays (and it seems like the black ones have this problem too) is that it's difficult to see what weight the kb is without having to roll it up. I've got 4, 8, 12, 16, 20kg in pairs and a 24 and 28kg in singles so far.
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