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05-27-2008, 10:09 AM
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I think it's possible that you could be sore from the foam rolling, although it's usually a different kind of sore. I'm usually sore from a deep tissue massage - but I love them!
I never thought about subtracting the fiber. I wonder if daily plate does that. hrmmm...
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05-27-2008, 11:56 AM
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PEELEing :o)
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You can be sore from mobility work and foam rolling ... just keep at it!!
And FWIW in my program from Leigh, she does NOT have me subtract out the fiber from my carb grams as fiber does have some calories ... IMO it's just minutae ... don't sweat it in other words!!

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05-27-2008, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by marthand99
half a bottle of champagne swigged directly from the bottle. I am a classy girl.
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Originally Posted by marthand99
Sleep: Nine hours, and I've been exhausted all day. Don't know why I'm so tired.
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I know why you were so sleepy. See quote 1.
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05-27-2008, 01:35 PM
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Marty:
Congrats on surviving the in-laws!
It looks to me like you've done a great job of staying on track and keeping up the rest and the diet. It's hard to trust that what you're doing is important, particularly during rest periods.
I'll echo others' advice to try not to self-diagnose your problems too much. It's easy to think too much and worry. Stay the course, follow your plan, and your body will come along with you. Odds are very very high that everything is normal.
Keep at it and let us know how it goes.
Brent
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05-28-2008, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Brentv
Marty:
Congrats on surviving the in-laws!
It looks to me like you've done a great job of staying on track and keeping up the rest and the diet. It's hard to trust that what you're doing is important, particularly during rest periods.
I'll echo others' advice to try not to self-diagnose your problems too much. It's easy to think too much and worry. Stay the course, follow your plan, and your body will come along with you. Odds are very very high that everything is normal.
Keep at it and let us know how it goes.
Brent
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Thanks Brent! I am a huge over-analyzer and worrier. It really helps to have you all to reassure me.
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I know why you were so sleepy. See quote 1.
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LOL. I am so busted!
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Originally Posted by UConnJulie
You can be sore from mobility work and foam rolling ... just keep at it!!
And FWIW in my program from Leigh, she does NOT have me subtract out the fiber from my carb grams as fiber does have some calories ... IMO it's just minutae ... don't sweat it in other words!!

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Originally Posted by jesca
I think it's possible that you could be sore from the foam rolling, although it's usually a different kind of sore. I'm usually sore from a deep tissue massage - but I love them!
I never thought about subtracting the fiber. I wonder if daily plate does that. hrmmm...
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Okay, good to know about the foam rolling and mobility work. Thanks guys! Even though I know better, I will admit to a slight panic that I'd become grossly out of shape in the past month and would now be physically destroyed by 20 golfer's pickups.
Thanks for the letting me know about the fiber, Julie! I had no idea that it had some calories.
I think what fitday does is count the calories, but does not include those as a percentage of the carbs. So if I have 155g carbs and 155g protein, but 30g fiber, my carb percentage might be 30% and my protein percentage might be 40%. (This is how I noticed it in the first place - the grams were the same but the percentages different.) Does that make sense? I don't know if that is ideal or not, but I think it's probably fine either way, like you said.
Do you like dailyplate, Jes? What do you use, Julie?
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05-28-2008, 10:42 AM
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Mobility Work/Foam Rolling/Stretching: Did mobility work and stretching. Foam rolling is only three times a week, so I took yesterday off.
Food:
1686 calories
52g fat
156g carbs/30g fiber (1/2 whole wheat english muffin and some sweet potato for starch)
158g protein
When I was in GNC last night, I made an impulse purchase and got this Cinnamon Roll protein powder. I made a shake this morning with water, ice, and a packet of stevia and it was pretty vomit-worthy. Has anyone else used this stuff? Do you like it? I wanted to love it, and I'm hoping it's just my poor execution of shake creation.
Sleep: 7.5 hours. Have decided to cut down and go with only 1/2 Rozerum tonight. If I am up all night, Abe Lincoln will miss me.
Water/sodium: Sodium under control. Water still high, but better.
Probiotics/enzymes/fish oil/multivitamin/BCAAs: Check.
Okay, the serving size for the BCAAs is six of those capsules. For those of you that take them, how many do you take and how many times a day?
Emotionally: All over the place. Seriously.
Half the time I am feeling SO READY to workout. I've been getting headaches in the afternoon and I think it's because I don't really leave my desk all day. I used to work out either at lunch or at 3pm, but obviously have been skipping it for the past month. I decided to go for a walk around the block at noon and 3pm and see if that helps.
The other half of the time, I'm really nervous about exercising again. I'm worried that I'll suck at it now, that I'll hate it now that I've had a chance to get the crazy kool-aid out of my system, or that I'll let it get completely out of hand again.
Today I decided to design my lifting program for the last four weeks of the program. I'm lifting on Monday! Yay! She prescribes the sets, reps, and rest, but we get to pick the exercises. These are my favorite ones, so they're what I picked.
Compound - Lower:
Reverse Lunge
BSS (it's a love/hate relationship)
Compound - Upper:
Neutral Grip Shoulder Press
Bent Over Rows
Push-ups
Core:
Reverse Crunch
Swiss Ball Jacknifes
Geez I am long-winded today. I should probably go do some work.
Weight: 134.8
Waist: 27
Omron: 22.8%
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05-28-2008, 11:22 AM
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Super Hero Wannabe
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I do like the daily plate over fit day (and am a gold member of TDP) I found it much harder to find foods on fit day with all those NFSW or whatever it was on there. There isn't that on the daily plate, however users can create foods so you still need to check the stats
I feel the same as you about the working out. One minute I'm ready and the next I am freaked the hell out. I can still feel the desire to get sucked into it, and it's kinda scary. I dunno, I'll just have to stick to the plan of the days on and off so I don't get carried away. No extra credit workouts!
Ok, BSN is all really sweet. I wouldn't put the stevia in there, and I would consider using milk instead of water. It makes a very thick shake, but if you toss in ice, it would help. I bought the sample packets and didn't like the cinn roll, so I didn't buy the big one of it, but I know a lot of people like that flavor. If you eat oatmeal, it is pretty tasty in there - I use half a scoop for that. Consider mixing it half and half with a vanilla flavored powder, I think it would take the edge off. The vanilla and choco coconut BSN is good, but I decided to get the true protein for my next batch of powder because of the fake sugars in BSN. I still have some left over of each, so I'm sure I will use those up as they weren't cheap!
And a side note about the Stevia - I'm not trying to freak you out, but I have read several things about reproductive health and stevia. I pasted a bit below that's pretty neutral about the findings. Normally I don't think it's a big deal, but since you're trying to get preggers, you might want to consider moving it out of the diet until that's taken care of
From: Dangers of Stevia | Stevia Side Effects
Reproductive problems: European scientists cite potential adverse side effects to the male reproductive system. When fed high doses of stevioside for nearly two years, sperm production in male rats was noticeably reduced and the weight of seminal vesciles declined. Likewise, when female hamsters were fed large amounts of a stevioside derivative called steviol, their offspring were found to be fewer and smaller. Again, it should be noted that this has been neither tested nor proven in humans.
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05-28-2008, 11:27 AM
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Resident Business/Marketing Guru
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How come the sleep aid? I've never needed one so seeing that is new territory for me. I had some trouble once but then I cut out caffeine after about 5 and have never had a problem since.
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05-28-2008, 01:31 PM
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#129 (permalink)
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Join Date: Aug 2004
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x2 on the cutting back on coffee making a massive difference in sleeping. Figured out 1/2 pot a day is pretty much all I can handle consistently. A little more now and then but after a couple of day's it kills me.
Cinnamon roll drink SOUNDS gross. All I can think of is eating a cinnabon and drinking a huge glass of milk and getting that burp upchuck going on.
You're welcome 
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05-28-2008, 02:24 PM
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PEELEing :o)
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Ewww Tony!!
JB has a big long article on stevia up today at PN ... The Battle of The Sweeteners - Precision Nutrition
The reality is that in small amounts it isn't going to hurt you. If you are using a cup or more a day, then you might have a problem!!
For my tracking, I use NutriBase Weight-Loss Software for Novices
I have also tried DietPower, which was okay but harder to input items. I loathe Fitday. It just isn't set up well for me.
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05-28-2008, 03:33 PM
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Marty,
How has the hunger level been so far? And out of curiousity, how does your starting calories (from the first two weeks) compare to what you were eating while exercising in your former life?
Based on my general desk-jobbyness my activity level was set to 1.2 (sedentary, but I did not take the big quiz that you did) so despite the fact I'm the same size as you, I did 1070 the first two weeks and now I'm at 1180. Do I need to mention that I'm hungry all the time? Leigh says this is good, but whoa....
Even when I get up to the pig-out week, my range is "only" 1850-2250 - not that huge of a number, all things considered. I might need to repeat the REPAIR program, which is scary in many ways, especially for the lack of running.
I echo your up and downs with working out. I don't think the first two weeks are the hardest - that's happened before with injury. Its just keeping going... the third week, the fourth, etc.
Let's hang in there! I want to fix my girlie processes and grow some bone, so I need to stick with you and ride it out. We ARE strong!
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05-28-2008, 04:41 PM
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Marty, glad to hear your rest is going well.
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05-28-2008, 10:24 PM
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Leeeebril
Join Date: Sep 2006
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Originally Posted by marthand99
When I was in GNC last night, I made an impulse purchase and got this Cinnamon Roll protein powder. I made a shake this morning with water, ice, and a packet of stevia and it was pretty vomit-worthy. Has anyone else used this stuff? Do you like it? I wanted to love it, and I'm hoping it's just my poor execution of shake creation.
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No, it really IS disgusting. There's no saving it.
Oh BTW hi. I'm Tina, yet another Leighbot.

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05-29-2008, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Deserve
How come the sleep aid? I've never needed one so seeing that is new territory for me. I had some trouble once but then I cut out caffeine after about 5 and have never had a problem since.
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Hi Gabe! My shrink put me on some meds back in January to get my anxiety under control and help with ceasing and desisting from the daily 10 mile runs.
For the two weeks after he first put me on it, I did not sleep more than three hours a night. I was up all night, wide awake, and then would be exhausted and miserable at work all day. During that time I gave up caffeine completely in the hopes that it would help. (It didn't.) He put me on Rozerum and told me caffeine was okay until 2pm. It worked great, but he hinted in the last appointment that it was probably time to try weaning myself, especially if I get knocked up (effects on pregnant women haven't been studied).
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Originally Posted by gobbla
x2 on the cutting back on coffee making a massive difference in sleeping. Figured out 1/2 pot a day is pretty much all I can handle consistently. A little more now and then but after a couple of day's it kills me.
Cinnamon roll drink SOUNDS gross. All I can think of is eating a cinnabon and drinking a huge glass of milk and getting that burp upchuck going on.
You're welcome 
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Oh My God
I love the burp upchuck description. I always say "vurp" - like vomit/burp. I also enjoy the word "shart," which I learned from fellow runners - when you think you are just going to pass a little gas and end up with a full pair of underroos. Luckily, this has never happened to me. Not that I would probably write about it if it did!
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No, it really IS disgusting. There's no saving it.
Oh BTW hi. I'm Tina, yet another Leighbot.

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Hi Tina! First, thanks for reading! And second, thanks for letting me know I shouldn't waste my time trying to make it drinkable.  I hate to just throw the whole tub away, but ... I might have to.
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Originally Posted by jesca
I do like the daily plate over fit day (and am a gold member of TDP) I found it much harder to find foods on fit day with all those NFSW or whatever it was on there. There isn't that on the daily plate, however users can create foods so you still need to check the stats
I feel the same as you about the working out. One minute I'm ready and the next I am freaked the hell out. I can still feel the desire to get sucked into it, and it's kinda scary. I dunno, I'll just have to stick to the plan of the days on and off so I don't get carried away. No extra credit workouts!
Ok, BSN is all really sweet. I wouldn't put the stevia in there, and I would consider using milk instead of water. It makes a very thick shake, but if you toss in ice, it would help. I bought the sample packets and didn't like the cinn roll, so I didn't buy the big one of it, but I know a lot of people like that flavor. If you eat oatmeal, it is pretty tasty in there - I use half a scoop for that. Consider mixing it half and half with a vanilla flavored powder, I think it would take the edge off. The vanilla and choco coconut BSN is good, but I decided to get the true protein for my next batch of powder because of the fake sugars in BSN. I still have some left over of each, so I'm sure I will use those up as they weren't cheap!
And a side note about the Stevia - I'm not trying to freak you out, but I have read several things about reproductive health and stevia. I pasted a bit below that's pretty neutral about the findings. Normally I don't think it's a big deal, but since you're trying to get preggers, you might want to consider moving it out of the diet until that's taken care of
From: Dangers of Stevia | Stevia Side Effects
Reproductive problems: European scientists cite potential adverse side effects to the male reproductive system. When fed high doses of stevioside for nearly two years, sperm production in male rats was noticeably reduced and the weight of seminal vesciles declined. Likewise, when female hamsters were fed large amounts of a stevioside derivative called steviol, their offspring were found to be fewer and smaller. Again, it should be noted that this has been neither tested nor proven in humans.
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I found that stevia information so interesting! See, I just assumed that (like the article says), since it's "natural" it must be better than Equal or Splenda. It doesn't seem like it really matters either way, that all have their positives and negatives. I like the taste of Equal much better, so maybe I'll split it 50/50 between the two?
Okay, I'm going to check out both of your tracking plans. Fitday works fine for me, but there are definitely things I don't like about it. Jes, I laughed out loud at the NSFW thing. I hate the not specified crap too (vs Not Safe For Work - I was thinking of food porn, hee hee).
And Jes, I need to remind myself about no extra credit workouts too. I can already see my mind going there. This log is what saves me - I don't want to lie to the log, because that's dumb, and I don't want to have to tell you guys I didn't follow the program, so.... I follow it.
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Marty, glad to hear your rest is going well.
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Thanks Pauline!
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Marty,
How has the hunger level been so far? And out of curiousity, how does your starting calories (from the first two weeks) compare to what you were eating while exercising in your former life?
Based on my general desk-jobbyness my activity level was set to 1.2 (sedentary, but I did not take the big quiz that you did) so despite the fact I'm the same size as you, I did 1070 the first two weeks and now I'm at 1180. Do I need to mention that I'm hungry all the time? Leigh says this is good, but whoa....
Even when I get up to the pig-out week, my range is "only" 1850-2250 - not that huge of a number, all things considered. I might need to repeat the REPAIR program, which is scary in many ways, especially for the lack of running.
I echo your up and downs with working out. I don't think the first two weeks are the hardest - that's happened before with injury. Its just keeping going... the third week, the fourth, etc.
Let's hang in there! I want to fix my girlie processes and grow some bone, so I need to stick with you and ride it out. We ARE strong!
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Hi Andrea! I'm shooting you a PM 
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