Bytsi's Body Reshaping Log

[Susan4]

Hang in there gal! You're doing everything right and according to your plan, the results are just being slow. You'll get there. Sometimes the adjustment takes some hunger. Late night hunger is a problem I get sometimes too. Hot herbal tea helps me, doesn't help nutbar...but might be worth a try. I've also added glucomannan occasionally and found it helpful, especially when doing a PWO shake as a meal replacement shake.

[Bytsi]

Weighed my cereal this morning (Fiber one) and milk... going to skip the last stage 3 workout (I HATE 3B) and just start 4-A1 this morning. My work schedule changes June 1, so this will be the last week of getting up super-early (for me, at least) and trying to lift when I'm not as awake as I should be and then rushing to make it to work... I'll be getting off work at 2:30 on M/W so I can just go right after work to lift - YAY! I don't mind early cardio, but early lifting sucks.

The scale didn't make any big jumps, but it was probably about 1/2# lower today... still going for trends and that's hardly enough to feel secure in my program, but at least it didn't trend up even more today.

Originally Posted by Susan4

Hang in there gal! You're doing everything right and according to your plan, the results are just being slow. You'll get there. Sometimes the adjustment takes some hunger. Late night hunger is a problem I get sometimes too. Hot herbal tea helps me, doesn't help nutbar...but might be worth a try. I've also added glucomannan occasionally and found it helpful, especially when doing a PWO shake as a meal replacement shake.

Thanks Susan, for the encouragement and ideas... I don't know why I didn't think of tea!!! It's worth a try... I've never tried glucomannan - I know Cassandra is big on it (or am I remembering wrong?) but it's gotten such mixed reviews... can I find it at GNC?

Originally Posted by kfisherx

Bytsi, what food satisfy you (Fat or carbs) What foods do you crave?

What food satisfies me? Wow... sadly, I'm not sure I have a good answer... volume, I guess, is the best answer. Sugary foods can be nice, but they ALWAYS make me hungrier and are quite likely to start an overfeed... same with salty carbs (I don't do potato chips, but baked chips, tortilla chips, even popcorn) - my worst overfeeds are when I have a "small" snack of sugar or salt in the evening, and then I go for the other one (if I had sugar, I then want salt, or vice versa) and then I go back and forth. Fats can be filling, but I think I overeat them because they are so small for the calories...

Cravings - for whatever I can't have . In the evening (which is my worst time for eating) it's sugar or salty... Often it's whatever's in front of me that I can't/shouldn't eat, that someone else has... Sometimes I crave a nice big cheeseburger, and FRIES (probably the salt/fat/carb triple-bad whammy there)...

Karla - thank you for all the trouble-shooting... between you and Leigh's book, I hope to figure this out eventually...

[missjane]

Bytsi.....when I cut sugar out of my diet, all of my cravings went away. No sugar. Period. That's what did it for me.

[Susan4]

I found capsules in the pharmacy section of a grocery store I think... No need to pay GNC prices.

[jesca]

Originally Posted by Bytsi

Weighed my cereal this morning (Fiber one) and milk... going to skip the last stage 3 workout (I HATE 3B) and just start 4-A1 this morning. My work schedule changes June 1, so this will be the last week of getting up super-early (for me, at least) and trying to lift when I'm not as awake as I should be and then rushing to make it to work... I'll be getting off work at 2:30 on M/W so I can just go right after work to lift - YAY! I don't mind early cardio, but early lifting sucks.

The scale didn't make any big jumps, but it was probably about 1/2# lower today... still going for trends and that's hardly enough to feel secure in my program, but at least it didn't trend up even more today.

Thanks Susan, for the encouragement and ideas... I don't know why I didn't think of tea!!! It's worth a try... I've never tried glucomannan - I know Cassandra is big on it (or am I remembering wrong?) but it's gotten such mixed reviews... can I find it at GNC?



What food satisfies me? Wow... sadly, I'm not sure I have a good answer... volume, I guess, is the best answer. Sugary foods can be nice, but they ALWAYS make me hungrier and are quite likely to start an overfeed... same with salty carbs (I don't do potato chips, but baked chips, tortilla chips, even popcorn) - my worst overfeeds are when I have a "small" snack of sugar or salt in the evening, and then I go for the other one (if I had sugar, I then want salt, or vice versa) and then I go back and forth. Fats can be filling, but I think I overeat them because they are so small for the calories...

Cravings - for whatever I can't have . In the evening (which is my worst time for eating) it's sugar or salty... Often it's whatever's in front of me that I can't/shouldn't eat, that someone else has... Sometimes I crave a nice big cheeseburger, and FRIES (probably the salt/fat/carb triple-bad whammy there)...

Karla - thank you for all the trouble-shooting... between you and Leigh's book, I hope to figure this out eventually...

ALL of this sounds like me. I suck at working out in the morning, but I agree that running or elliptical in the morning seems easier than trying to swap weights and lifting heavy in the a.m.

I also get mega sugar cravings at night, but I will sooooo go back and forth. The worst is something with both. Chocolate covered pretzels, for example I think the hardest thing is that my office eats lunch out every day and they are big guys that eat things like burgers and fries and that's all I want. FRIES! Damn them. I find the less I eat them, tho, the easier it is to resist them, however getting to that point is really hard.

[DirtyMartini]

Originally Posted by missjane

Bytsi.....when I cut sugar out of my diet, all of my cravings went away. No sugar. Period. That's what did it for me.

Yeah, I tried that, and it didn't work for me. It seemed to make my cravings even worse and I got obsessive. I found that when I added some fruit back in (blueberries & cherries right now), I don't have them anymore.

I think this will vary for everyone; maybe slowly introduce some additional fructose into your diet and see how it goes. Perhaps evening snack could be 10 cherries and some cottage cheese.

[kfisherx]

Miss Jane NAILED it Bytsi. My cravings totally went away when I took sugar out of my diet. That is why I said to cut out Hi Gly carbs. So do your best to cut these things out and you too will do much better. You can drink A and W diet Root beer or make things like cottage cheese ice-cream to help you get over the sugary cravings.

Once you are purged of all of that your next assignment is to figure out if fatty foods or carby foods make you feel better and more fullfilled. I tend to feel really sluggish on fatty foods and so I know that my carbs need to be a big part of my diet if I want to be succesful. Jane does TNT type things with great success which tells me that fatty foods keep her feeling energy and full.

Spend the next couple of weeks getting rid of high Gly carbs, making sure you get your water (Don't just say you keep a 32 oz bottle around and sip it but count that you get 4 of those in you a day) and paying attention to everything you eat and how that feels to you. If it is a carb how does it make you feel? (like a piece of fruit) If it is fatty food you eat how does your body feel the next couple of hours?

The trick to this game is self awareness and keeping data. High Gly foods and dehydration will take your ability to be aware down. Once you have developed the awareness and understand what your body does well with then you will know when you need to eat and if you are eating correctly for your body. You won't have to ask anyone else.

[kfisherx]

Originally Posted by DirtyMartini

Yeah, I tried that, and it didn't work for me. It seemed to make my cravings even worse and I got obsessive. I found that when I added some fruit back in (blueberries & cherries right now), I don't have them anymore.

I think this will vary for everyone; maybe slowly introduce some additional fructose into your diet and see how it goes. Perhaps evening snack could be 10 cherries and some cottage cheese.

Let me make myself VERY clear here. Only cut out processed sugars and Hy Gly PROCESSED foods. Whole, fFruits and veges of all sorts are okay to eat.

[DirtyMartini]

Ah! I'm glad you clarified. Removing things like scones, cookies, cupcakes, etc is of course the obvious and right thing to do. Removing fruit, though, was a killer for me. I've always been a 2-3 servings of fruit/day person and getting rid of that made me obsess about, of all things, Oreos. Which I don't even like.

Getting rid of processed carbs did remove cravings for them. Cheetos, kettle chips, fritos, pretzels, wheat thins - removing all processed snacky carbs from my diet did the trick.

The craving for sweets never went away, however. Fruit seems to address that just fine.

[kfisherx]

Originally Posted by Bytsi

Cravings - for whatever I can't have . In the evening (which is my worst time for eating) it's sugar or salty... Often it's whatever's in front of me that I can't/shouldn't eat, that someone else has... Sometimes I crave a nice big cheeseburger, and FRIES (probably the salt/fat/carb triple-bad whammy there)...

Karla - thank you for all the trouble-shooting... between you and Leigh's book, I hope to figure this out eventually...

I am not really doing anything. It is you who are finally waking up and realizing that YOU have to do something if you don't want the same shit to keep happening to you every day. I remember when I was in that place and specifically the day I had to buy clothing and NOTHING looked even remotely good on my fat body. I remember also being ready for that change.... The rest was easy...

Just another FYI Bytsi... I do a LOT of eating in the evening and just before I go to bed. By nature I am a night person and as such I crave food in the evenings too whereas it is easy for me to eat lighter in the morning. I make sure I always get protein in the morning (within an hour of waking), after working out and before I go to bed.

Between that first meal and lunch I am rarely hungry so I eat very lightly. (a piece of fruit and 10 almonds) Lunchtime I again eat pretty lightly. Around 3:00 PM I am starting to get good appetite so that is my first bigger meal. At 5:30PM I again eat and typically again at 8:00 or there about. Then just before bedtime (around midnight) again I stuff my face yet another time.

All those silly evening cravings just don't happen to me that way since I am continually eating.. And cool thing is that for my cut things are happening almost exactly as advertised. I am continuing to drop weight. Seems that eating at night is probably not the worst thing a body can do....

[Phaedrus49er]

There's always the TNT-friendly chocolate mousse recipe in the diet thread

[realcdn]

Originally Posted by kfisherx

Just another FYI Bytsi... I do a LOT of eating in the evening and just before I go to bed. By nature I am a night person and as such I crave food in the evenings too whereas it is easy for me to eat lighter in the morning. I make sure I always get protein in the morning (within an hour of waking), after working out and before I go to bed.

I will come back and write a little more later, but I want to add in that I could not survive without my evening eating. Dinner is usually around 7, and it's odd, but salad follows at about 8pm. By 9:30 I have a bowl of fruit salad (with a biscotti, but a 30-odd cal one). Then I have a protein shake (just whey & water) before going to sleep. Without it I know I'd find myself up in the kitchen looking for something to eat! I know most conventional wisdom tells you little to no food in the evening, or no carbs after a certain hour. Well, that just doesn't work for me. This does.

[kfisherx]

Originally Posted by DirtyMartini

Ah! I'm glad you clarified. Removing things like scones, cookies, cupcakes, etc is of course the obvious and right thing to do. Removing fruit, though, was a killer for me. I've always been a 2-3 servings of fruit/day person and getting rid of that made me obsess about, of all things, Oreos. Which I don't even like.

Don't forget chips (even baked) and breads as well. You know there are some popcorns that are freakishly high in protein and in fiber and low in fat that you could probably do without any problems.


LOL RE the Oreos! That is just weird. Funny but weird.

Thanks for making that distinction. I would never advocate getting rid of whole foods from a diet (unless the person was allergic or some rare thing)

[missjane]

Originally Posted by DirtyMartini

Yeah, I tried that, and it didn't work for me. It seemed to make my cravings even worse and I got obsessive. I found that when I added some fruit back in (blueberries & cherries right now), I don't have them anymore.

I think this will vary for everyone; maybe slowly introduce some additional fructose into your diet and see how it goes. Perhaps evening snack could be 10 cherries and some cottage cheese.

DM, I don't mean sugar in fruit. I mean sugar-sugar....KWIM? No more candy, cookies, cakes, muffins, cereal with sugar, M&M's!!, fakeout 'protein bars' with sugar (ala fiber one or special k). No more soda, sugar in my tea, or regular peanut butter. No more jams or jellies with sugar. No more white anything. That's what I mean by no more sugar.

Try it....it works.

[DirtyMartini]

Yeah, I completely agree on cutting out "white" foods and those junky snack bars (like Kashi, Luna, etc). I don't care how much fiber & protein they have in them. They all have 30-50+ grams of added sugar - no thanks!

We cut all that stuff out back in early February (including all whole grain products and nearly all fruit). I lost a lot of fat, but doing so made my cravings worse, and they intensified as time passed. It's only the past 2 weeks that I've added back in whole grain products (once per day, after a workout) and some fruit and it's made a huge difference in my obsessive thoughts. I think they key for some people is to cut out all refined stuff, but to continue small-to-moderate consumption of foods like berries, apricots, whole wheat pasta, ezekiel wraps, homemade pizza with whole wheat crust (or on whole wheat tortillas/pitas), etc...