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Old 04-06-2008, 04:31 PM   #211 (permalink)
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Okay, I don't know how to figure the cals out. 1 C of 2% Fage yogurt is 150 cals. I will get between 1 cup and 1 1/2 cups of yogurt strained. At 80 cals a cup for skimmed milk, that make it almost 320 cals a cup? I wonder if that whey water stuff has cals in it????
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Old 04-06-2008, 04:44 PM   #212 (permalink)
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I'm not sure how accurate this is, but try:

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Old 04-06-2008, 05:16 PM   #213 (permalink)
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Wow hmmm no way to tell if it THE whey water LOL! But the cal count comes down. There has to be SOME way to tell what this is. The Fage yogurt has skimmed milk and cream in it to make 2%. Hmmmm.

BTW it tastes just like the Fage. Must be the bacteria LOL! But you have to keep checking the consistency and I had to drain it about 3 hours through my muslin. Also there is the iffy cal count. I also had to whisk it to make it smooth which was simple.
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Old 04-06-2008, 06:11 PM   #214 (permalink)
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Okay final yogurt experiment results. 4 cups of skim milk yield 1 cup of yogurt that tastes exactly the same as the beginning yogurt. It took approximately 4 hours to strain with a muslin cloth. My milk in this area runs about 3.50 a gallon and up. So that cup of yogurt cost me 87.5 cents and 16 hours of waiting. My purchases version of 2 cups of yogurt cost me $4.99 my version is $1.75. So that is about $3.24 savings. So basically it can be a toss up for me. If I really like this stuff and I go thru it, it would be worth it to do a HUGE bowl of yogurt in the oven overnite. Glass bowl mind you.

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Yum! I used to make homemade whole milk yogurt for my son when he was a baby. It was delicious. I need to dig out that yogurt maker from the back of our cupboard.
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Okay final yogurt experiment results. 4 cups of skim milk yield 1 cup of yogurt that tastes exactly the same as the beginning yogurt. It took approximately 4 hours to strain with a muslin cloth. My milk in this area runs about 3.50 a gallon and up. So that cup of yogurt cost me 87.5 cents and 16 hours of waiting. My purchases version of 2 cups of yogurt cost me $4.99 my version is $1.75. So that is about $3.24 savings. So basically it can be a toss up for me. If I really like this stuff and I go thru it, it would be worth it to do a HUGE bowl of yogurt in the oven overnite. Glass bowl mind you.

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There's a table there with calorie counts.

I don't know, I would just count it like Fage yogurt. I think dairy products are all pretty similar - 1 cup of Fage fat-free yogurt is about 80-90 calories (and amazingly has 13g of protein!).

Enjoy your homemade yogurt! I'm going to bookmark your links...maybe one of these weekends. I'm crazy for yogurt lately. One thing, though - I was having the Fage 2% yogurt daily and almost found it too rich. I had a fat-free one today and it went down much better. Do you think that's weird? I'm pretty sure I can't eat ice cream for the same reason - a mix of lactose and fat. But I never expected the yogurt to get to me!
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Yum! I used to make homemade whole milk yogurt for my son when he was a baby. It was delicious. I need to dig out that yogurt maker from the back of our cupboard.
They have yogurt makers???

Rix, wow that is one complicated site! They add a lot of stuff. I am just plain ol milk and yogurt culture kind of gal LOL!

It is really good tho!
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My dad used to make yogurt with an old Donvier machine (which is long gone). I think Salton is another brand that's quite popular. I suspect they're probably a good purchase if you eat yogurt regularly. I eat it never, so for me, not such a good deal.
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My dad used to make yogurt with an old Donvier machine (which is long gone). I think Salton is another brand that's quite popular. I suspect they're probably a good purchase if you eat yogurt regularly. I eat it never, so for me, not such a good deal.
I eat it once in a while but while I am trying to get my protein up to 250 grams, I am getting SO tired of meat.

My Fage 2% had 19 g of protein per cup and only 150 cals

I can only stand cottage cheese so much, blech, but I will eat it.
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I have a Salton. It's cheap and makes it even easier to make yogurt. Keeps the temperature constant. Here is the one I have.
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Gosh I need another gadget like a hole in my head LOL!

That looks so neat! My DD LOVES yogurt, for her I buy the dannon natural vanilla, major sugar of course. But she goes through 2 pints a week herself!

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Old 04-06-2008, 09:47 PM   #222 (permalink)
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I left a response on my log, but thought I'd answer your question about the tortillas here as well. I adapted it slightly from this website:

Homemade flour tortilla recipe - a tasty low fat tortilla

I made a half recipe, using oat flour (oats whizzed in a blender). I suspect that a combination of whole wheat flour and the oat flour might have been a better choice. I divided it into 5 portions, and maybe cooked them on too high a temperature. I will probably make it at least once more before deciding it's not for me.

I remember making pitas a while back (ie. years ago), and the biggest issue was not rolling them out well enough. They're supposed to puff during baking, but mine would puff partly. That's something else I should have a shot at making again. I'll have to look for a recipe for them later on.
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Old 04-07-2008, 05:24 PM   #223 (permalink)
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Thanks Anne, keeper of the good recipes!

Dang Friday I was down 2 lbs, I am back up today because of water retention!

Can you believe it??? my DD has strep, nasty bad one too. I was a bit freaked out she was so sick, talking almost emergency room visit. I had to fit in her appt before DS and I was like freaking out that I could not find a doctor. Dang, nothing was open, she was so sick. It just sucked.

So the weekend was off, I was just hoping not enough to throw everything away. Today was off and I was going to work out but I am living on no sleep, worry, stress and no food. I didn't get to eat until 10 am and shoveled food in. Then 2 pm and I was so hungry I didn't care what I ate.

So anyway DS had a very important check up with the otolaryngologist. Can you believe I can say that word! He majorly ranted at the oncologists suggestions. I am inbetween. I mean how do I know what is best? This is new territory for me!

So I should have named this log, losing fat between stress and crisis LOL!

I was looking at precision nutrition meal bars. Has anyone tried them? Any favorites? They seem majorly high in fat. I have to find something good for quick meals when I don't feel like eating. A big veggie meat conglomeration doesn't make it when I am running and stressed. Just a fact.
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I think that's part of my downfall. I like to cook.

I don't know the specific bars you're talking about, but depending on what you're eating to, not all fat is bad. If it's higher than you want then you might have to look to cut out fat in other meals/snacks during the day.
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Dang Friday I was down 2 lbs, I am back up today because of water retention!

Can you believe it??? my DD has strep, nasty bad one too. I was a bit freaked out she was so sick, talking almost emergency room visit. I had to fit in her appt before DS and I was like freaking out that I could not find a doctor. Dang, nothing was open, she was so sick. It just sucked.

So the weekend was off, I was just hoping not enough to throw everything away. Today was off and I was going to work out but I am living on no sleep, worry, stress and no food. I didn't get to eat until 10 am and shoveled food in. Then 2 pm and I was so hungry I didn't care what I ate.

So anyway DS had a very important check up with the otolaryngologist. Can you believe I can say that word! He majorly ranted at the oncologists suggestions. I am inbetween. I mean how do I know what is best? This is new territory for me!

So I should have named this log, losing fat between stress and crisis LOL!

I was looking at precision nutrition meal bars. Has anyone tried them? Any favorites? They seem majorly high in fat. I have to find something good for quick meals when I don't feel like eating. A big veggie meat conglomeration doesn't make it when I am running and stressed. Just a fact.
Oh, sheesh, Kelly! Always something, isn't there? Well, keep that head up and get back to program the rest of tonight and tomorrow. You can do it!
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Gack! You are having the worst winter of illnesses! I'm trying to think some spring your way. Here and there I am seeing hints of it! Though the other day when I walked out of the gym, the temps had dropped, the wind was like 40mph and I was being pelted with very cold rain, sigh!

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I figure if I get all the illnesses out of the way early, I'll be good for the rest of the year!!!!

We are a really healthy family, for real! I am so mad my good health streak went to pot this year!
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Oh ... not again!!!

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See Julie, I told you I can relate LOL!

My trainer told me to concentrate on nutrition and ease back into the workouts. I am just too stressed and it will get me nowhere.

Deep cleansing breath... I am calm, I am peaceful, I can do this...
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I am having such a hard time getting going on my workout. I lost my desire. I think it was because I had my eye on NROL and NROL4W. Now I am back to remedial weights.

Anyhoo fighting the blues regarding health. Pills not helping acid reflux, if that is what it is. Still a little tired from all the dr. visits. I made an appt 7 am for my nuclear stress test. Great, just how am I going to get the kids to school? So I thought I would leave them at home and give them a day off. Horrors, it is a no go with DH. I was just trying to eliminate some stress, ya know?

I am freaked out about this. I think it is from the cancer trauma last year. Now it freaks me out anything that needs diagnosis. I hate doctors, all of them.... They confuse me, argue with each other, and no one knows what you need them to know, when you need them to know it, ya know?

Anyhoo attempting to get my eating on track. I have NO appetite. I belch from the time I get up, all day long. I never did this before.

I tried some protein pancakes. Well, chewy and rubber were not what I expected. I threw the rest out. I think I will try to fiddle around with my own recipes. I just did not want eggs for breakfast again. That got old fast.
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I am freaked out about this. I think it is from the cancer trauma last year. Now it freaks me out anything that needs diagnosis. I hate doctors, all of them.... They confuse me, argue with each other, and no one knows what you need them to know, when you need them to know it, ya know?
So maybe go to them a little less? I know sometimes you have to, with an emergency illness, but it seems like you are at the doctors all too often between children and yourself. Can hubby sometimes take your son to his appointments?

On acid reflux, is it happening all the time or at night? It helped me to be careful about what I ate in the evenings, and not to eat much before bedtime. Pizza definitely had to be eaten earlier in the evenings. I found that sometimes the PN Bedtime snack would be a problem, sometimes not. I've had better luck doing yogurt/protein powder puddings w/frozen berries. I don't think my body likes much fat right before bed.

I know I've had far less acid reflux now that I'm mostly PN compliant. I had it a LOT before. Many nights. Interestingly enough, far less gas as well, which surprised me, considering all the veggies!


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Stress is taking your appetite, I bet. I'd be tempted to ditch the blame doctors for a while, and just focus on a bit of relaxing. Hard while family members are ill though!


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On these... it's the additional protein that tends to do the toughening. I had a similar experience the first time I tried tossing protein powder into a pancake recipe to add protein.

However, one thing that I found that really helps keep various protein pancake recipes more tender is adding some psyllium husks! Sounds weird, but it helps! It may also be that you've tried to get too much protein into the pancakes. I'll try to get some in, but then also use an additional source for the meal.

Anyway, here's hoping that your daughter is well soon and that the winter ends and things get back to normal! These little things happen, I still can't believe how sick I got last year. Some of hubby's family went on vacation to Florida recently... THREE of them came back and fell sick with pneumonia!

Just do your best and try to relax when you can.


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This too shall pass.

And when it does, you'll feel that much better for keeping up your eating and workouts while under so much stress.

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Well good news and bad news, I think I found out the source of all this gunk. Post traumatic stress disorder in parents of children with cancer. Reads me like a book. I am going to get help.

Chest pain? Stress. Sickness, stress.
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Well good news and bad news, I think I found out the source of all this gunk. Post traumatic stress disorder in parents of children with cancer. Reads me like a book. I am going to get help.

Chest pain? Stress. Sickness, stress.
Oh my gosh! That sucks, but it's good to feel like you know what it is. I've been there before, when you read something and a lightbulb just goes off over your head and everything clicks into place. How do you go about relieving post traumatic stress disorder?
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Hey Kelly! I love protein pancakes/waffles! Here is how I make them:

1 cup old-fashioned oatmeal
1 cup egg beaters (of course you can use eggs!)
1 cup cottage cheese
1-3 scoops Body Fortress Whey Protein powder
Sweeten with Splenda, Stevia or whatever you use.

Blend all ingredients in a blender. Put 1/2 cup of the mixture in a waffle iron or in a nonstick skillet sprayed with cooking spray. Cook until lightly browned.

This usually makes 4-5 pancakes with maybe a bit left over. I have been using chocolate protein powder and sweetening a bit more before I cook them. I also add a bit of the sugar free, fat free chocolate pudding mix to make it more chocolatey then I top it with 1 Tbsp. peanut butter! Yummy.

I have also used vanilla protein powder and added pumpkin pie puree or a banana. Let your imagination run wild. I never get tired of these things!!
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Oh my gosh! That sucks, but it's good to feel like you know what it is. I've been there before, when you read something and a lightbulb just goes off over your head and everything clicks into place. How do you go about relieving post traumatic stress disorder?
I believe counseling, I am going to skip the drugs LOL! But at least I am not going to feel guilty about freaking out over doctors and knowing I am not falling apart. Just finding this out has alleviated some of the pain already! I don't know how comforting it is to know you are shell shocked tho LOL!

I have to watch my son now, he had some symptoms and I wouldn't let the shrink at him while we were going thru chemo. Sights and smells and atmosphere, memories set it off. Basically it reminds you and you are not a happy camper. Survivors of cancer are more numerous now, thank God, and now they realize that this is happening and could happen at any point months later. Delayed reaction I guess.

I can pinpoint the month it happend with me. I thought I was just getting touchy and ornery ya know? Turns out I am nuts LOL!

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1 cup old-fashioned oatmeal
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1 cup cottage cheese
1-3 scoops Body Fortress Whey Protein powder
Sweeten with Splenda, Stevia or whatever you use.

Blend all ingredients in a blender. Put 1/2 cup of the mixture in a waffle iron or in a nonstick skillet sprayed with cooking spray. Cook until lightly browned.

This usually makes 4-5 pancakes with maybe a bit left over. I have been using chocolate protein powder and sweetening a bit more before I cook them. I also add a bit of the sugar free, fat free chocolate pudding mix to make it more chocolatey then I top it with 1 Tbsp. peanut butter! Yummy.

I have also used vanilla protein powder and added pumpkin pie puree or a banana. Let your imagination run wild. I never get tired of these things!!
Oh gosh Karen, I am going to try these tomorrow! Thanks so much. Feed my need for comfort food LOL!
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Went to the DR. today, off acid reflux meds to see if it has calmed down. He suggested I try digestive enzymes, which was cool because I was looking into that.

And it turns out he is a vegetarian kind of guy not wanting me to eat any animal products. Ummmm, errr, sorry charlie. Want sat fat only 4g a day and total only to 30g a day. HMMM. Wants me to eat a handful of walnuts before lunch and dinner. Do the math, he didn't. Anyway he was really proud of himself talking to me about nutrition and all that. I knew more than him. That is pitiful. I think I one upped him, didn't mean to tho LOL! I just need for the proof to be in the pudding and lose the fat ya know?

I did go a get TWO vegetarian cookbooks. #1 they were not necessarily WHOLE FOODS. #2 LOW protein. I am sorry where is all this protein that vegans and stuff talk about and eat? Like 6 grams in a meal? Like where's the beef! But I got some to die for veggie dishes I would like to try. The cookbooks were from the Moosehead Restaurant. I figure restaurant food needs to be good so it was a good start. Also sugar must be vegan too LOL!

Anyhooo I am drained again today, I think I might have to up my cals. I went to buy some of that yummy greek yogurt since Idon't know the cals and well, SOLD OUT! arrrggggghhhhhh. I am trying to make my appetite come back a little.

Ever since I figured out the PTSD I am like okay, go figure. I am good with gone ya know?

GOOD NEWS! RACK COME TOMORROW MORNINGGGG! But DH has to put it up in the basement and that might take awhile. I am getting anxious to workout now.
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I did go a get TWO vegetarian cookbooks. #1 they were not necessarily WHOLE FOODS. #2 LOW protein. I am sorry where is all this protein that vegans and stuff talk about and eat? Like 6 grams in a meal? Like where's the beef! But I got some to die for veggie dishes I would like to try. The cookbooks were from the Moosehead Restaurant. I figure restaurant food needs to be good so it was a good start. Also sugar must be vegan too LOL!
Soy crumbles, beans, lentils, soy milk, (and for vegetarian, not vegan) dairy products, egg whites etc.

I did the vegetarian thing for a while. The other thing you'll find with a lot of vegetarian cookbooks is I've found they aren't particularly low fat. I know I did a lot of adjusting to bring the calories into a reasonable line. I made a white bean chili with cauliflower in the crockpot a while back. I cut the recipe in half and lowered the cheese, but a serving of it was 360 cals, 23g protein, 15g fat, 39g carbs. I did, ummm, serve it with chicken and turkey sausage. I think I'd already started trying to raise my protein levels, and my mother is okay with vegetarian cuisine... as long as I throw a bit of meat beside it.

You're probably SOL about it for the saturated fat levels (the cheese you know). You do have to wonder about the doctor's advice. I had to look up the walnuts specifically, but I figured that a couple of ounces (ie. handfulls) would put you over his numbers. If he's spouting this to his patients you would think (at a minimum) he would have a sample plan with all the macros worked out....
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