Kelly, I'm so sorry you were discouraged by something insensitive that someone posted on this board. If you would like to pursue it, please PM it to me and I'll handle it with the other mods' help.
This board arose from a group at Men's Health ... when things went south over at their board a number of years ago, JP started this one and it has grown exponentially. Until NROL4W came out and Lou put it in the book, there were very few women on here (Jennmedic, Jamie/RedWifey, Lisa~, LisaS, L'ilJ, tkinsley, cappuccino, Galya, me ... and that's about it). A few more joined here and there, but there was always just a handful of us.
The boys can play rough, but not as rough as other places (like Lyle McDonald's Bodyrecomposition forum). Some of them are FFBs (former fat boys) and some still struggle with it (look through the Men's challenge thread). But some are young stupid ignorant muscleheads. MOST of the men here are great and kind and supportive and helpful. Don't let a few meatheads ruin it for you.
If you need help sticking up for yourself, please PM me any threads you find offensive ... JP has said that he will not tolerate that type of thing here.
And good for you on recognizing that NROL4W, while a great program, is not the program for you to help you reach your goals. I have come to the same conclusion, and have hired a trainer too to custom build a program for me. It may take time, but we will NOT be fat any more!! (and I just confessed my weight to my hubby ... we weigh the same )
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As you go further and further into your journey, I think weight will become less and less important, giving way to body composition (body fat percentage).
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No "happy hours" makes for a lot of miserable days. - Mahler
As you go further and further into your journey, I think weight will become less and less important, giving way to body composition (body fat percentage).
I am sure that is true! It is true to me now! But no woman wants to be bigger than her BIG hubby, it just ain't right!
I was paranoid last week when I was not getting my protein in and not working out that I was losing muscle. I need to chill LOL!
Today, I am sure I have a bug, stomach something or other, headache, achey, very tired. Eats have been WAYYY better so I am eager to workout again. I will be glad when this season of the sickies is OVER! Some people don't eat when they are sick, I still eat, WTH? I am not throwing up tho, just very upset widdle tum tum. I am eternally grateful I am not losing my cookies (that I didn't eat of course!)
No sign of the rack anywhere . It should be coming this week.
Indeed - this is something that's going to have to last you the rest of your life. Thankfully, you have the rest of your life to figure it all out. Funny how that works.
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No "happy hours" makes for a lot of miserable days. - Mahler
Today, I am sure I have a bug, stomach something or other, headache, achey, very tired. Eats have been WAYYY better so I am eager to workout again. I will be glad when this season of the sickies is OVER! Some people don't eat when they are sick, I still eat, WTH? I am not throwing up tho, just very upset widdle tum tum. I am eternally grateful I am not losing my cookies (that I didn't eat of course!)
Aww, feel better! I had a stomch bug BAD in the beginning of January. Out sick from work two days (and then I think it was a weekend...). I was worshiping the porcelain god and it was MISERABLE. I thought I was going to die, alone in my apartment. I mean, I'm 24, I live on my own, but when I finally got ahold of my mom after a morning of calling and calling her, I broke down in tears. It was really a bad week for me. I'd just puke and then lay on the bathroom floor for a while, go back to the couch and sleep, and no matter how I lay, it was really uncomfortable. And then I'd wake up and puke again...So, it could be worse! I hope hubby is taking care of you. (But, well, hubby is a hubby, so who knows?)
I hope you feel better soon! Hang in there.
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Indeed - this is something that's going to have to last you the rest of your life. Thankfully, you have the rest of your life to figure it all out. Funny how that works.
Yes! I used to think "for the rest of your life" was incredibly daunting...but now I think of all the wonderful recipes I have yet to learn, of all the ways I can improve my body over my lifetime, of all the struggles and insecurities and feeling-crappy days I'll be giving up by treating my body right.
For the rest of my life - that means, I won't always be cutting calories or having to bust my ass five, six days a week just to get what I want. For the rest of my life means that one day, I might be eating MORE than maintenance to gain more muscle, or I might just maintain for a while, lifting weight three times a week and spending the other days with my family and friends.
It's a good feeling, now.
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Yes! I used to think "for the rest of your life" was incredibly daunting...but now I think of all the wonderful recipes I have yet to learn, of all the ways I can improve my body over my lifetime, of all the struggles and insecurities and feeling-crappy days I'll be giving up by treating my body right.
For the rest of my life - that means, I won't always be cutting calories or having to bust my ass five, six days a week just to get what I want. For the rest of my life means that one day, I might be eating MORE than maintenance to gain more muscle, or I might just maintain for a while, lifting weight three times a week and spending the other days with my family and friends.
It's a good feeling, now.
Very well put! I keep reminding myself of this now as I'm going through this cutting phase - this is NOT forever (even though some days it feels like it will be!)
Ahhh yes, the rest of my life, as I am getting older, seems to be getting shorter so let's get this show on the road!
Well I think I was fighting a bug and detoxing from Easter week. MAN do I have the headaches. Oh well. I am getting rest and logging my foods which are for the most part clean, meaning I ate some teriyaki chicken meatballs yum.
I am also cold turkey on the diet coke. I was only drinking one. Oh what the heck, I just want to feel better already. I am not going to figure this out LOL!
I am going to get this diet stuff down once and for all. It seems I can do one thing at a time, it is like rubbing your belly and patting your head. I had the workout down, then I mess with my diet and drop the workout, end up working out, mess up the diet.... aaaahhhhh!
Oh yeah the rest of my life...
Oh yes and my lowest weight number so far this year seems to be sticking finally. It has been teasing me for the last month it seems! I am going to see new numbers this week!!!!!!!!
AOh well. I am getting rest and logging my foods which are for the most part clean, meaning I ate some teriyaki chicken meatballs yum.
I am also cold turkey on the diet coke. I was only drinking one. Oh what the heck, I just want to feel better already. I am not going to figure this out LOL!
I don't know that teriyaki chicken meatballs are inherently bad. I haven't made meatballs in a long time, but we never used breadcrumbs in them. Just used an egg to bind them and when making a lot, baked them in the oven. The teriyaki sauce.... well, it can be worked in as the only part not clean. I'm not sure what you're aiming for, but a little bit of sauce here and there isn't that bad.
I cut out the diet soft drinks a couple of months ago. Partly from the cost of them, but I noticed that they really cause me to retain water. There are still some around (just because I didn't finish them up) and took a few back in Feb, and I actually felt puffy for a couple of days.
Although I do take a single Crystal Light most days. I wasn't going to replace the box, but that darn Costco handed me a $5 off coupon today when I was going in.
Oh I am going to Costco tomorrow! I get the chicken meatballs from Costco, I don't make them, they are AWESOME. Actually I didn't swear off Diet Coke, I just wanted to get in some more water.
Still wiped out tired with acid reflux going on. I hate this stuff. Anyway about 10 hours of sleep today. The only exercise I got was going up and down the basement stairs about 8 times today, hey it's something.
meal 1
4 eggwhites
1 egg
1/2 c oats dry
1 banana
meal 2
5 teriyaki chicken meatballs
2 c broccoli
1/2 c brown rice cooked
meal 3
6.14 oz lemon chicken
1/2 C brown rice cooked
1 green beans
251 g cantaloupe
meal 4
Pure protein PB bar
1531 cals
155.75g P
38g F
179g C
Some news. I had my DH do 7 site calipers. I even took his high numbers and did my own thigh again. Anyway it is about 36% with 159lbs lean. I don't know if that is right or not! I realize that being heavy it is tough, but I watched and Dang did he pinch to make sure it was fat and not muscle. I watched that he didn't pinch too tight owie!
I was about 40% when I started. That is good news to me. But I still take more stock in the measurements. At any rate the trend is DOWN!
I realize that being heavy it is tough, but I watched and Dang did he pinch to make sure it was fat and not muscle. I watched that he didn't pinch too tight owie!
I was about 40% when I started. That is good news to me. But I still take more stock in the measurements. At any rate the trend is DOWN!
That's wonderful. A downward trend is always good.
I know what you mean though. I have a tough time with measurements and I'm never sure I'm getting a decent one. At the moment I really only take waist, bust and hips. I can't even recreate the same measurement on different days for the other ones.
Some news. I had my DH do 7 site calipers. I even took his high numbers and did my own thigh again. Anyway it is about 36% with 159lbs lean. I don't know if that is right or not! I realize that being heavy it is tough, but I watched and Dang did he pinch to make sure it was fat and not muscle. I watched that he didn't pinch too tight owie!
I was about 40% when I started. That is good news to me. But I still take more stock in the measurements. At any rate the trend is DOWN!
Ooh, yay! Great work! You're seeing your changes now. It's all momentum - you're like a snowball, rolling down hill, picking up success. If this is your war, I think you just won a battle.
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Some news. I had my DH do 7 site calipers. I even took his high numbers and did my own thigh again. Anyway it is about 36% with 159lbs lean. I don't know if that is right or not! I realize that being heavy it is tough, but I watched and Dang did he pinch to make sure it was fat and not muscle. I watched that he didn't pinch too tight owie!
I was about 40% when I started. That is good news to me. But I still take more stock in the measurements. At any rate the trend is DOWN!
Hooray for the downward trend ...
Speaking of weighing more than our hubbys ... mine has been under a lot of stress and anxiety lately ... and his doctor thought he looked like he'd dropped some weight. He's always weighed 180 since I've known him (8 years) ... well he stepped on the scale yesterday (end of day fully clothed) and is now 164!!!!! 16 lbs off with no effort. Gah. At least I'm down to 177.0 this morning.
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I love Costco, but I always end up spending a lot of money! Their beef jerky and mixed nuts are yummy. Two weeks ago I splurged on already cut up mango - it rocked!
Too much excitement today. I finally went to the doctor to check out my stomach/chest pain and to my unbelief they went into heart attack mode of which I start to freak out, which makes my blood pressure soar, which freaks them out and we start all over again!
My EKG was good but I had to promise if the pain didn't go away I would go into emergency (oh great). So anyhooo I was about to go in to emergency after dinner, after I took my new meds a PPI and antacid( she said to take them asap after I got them) My pain was yeeeoooowwww. Anyway my BIL comes and gives me this bottle of digestive enzymes chewables that he was going to try to wean himself off the meds. Well I'll be, they worked wonderfully and things have greatly calmed down. I am debating whether or not to just do them and skip the meds.
Nothing like a shock you know?
I am NOT nuts about taking the meds unless this is a forever thing. I still think it has to do with this virus. I had WAY more energy today although I was supremely bummed out and down right scared a couple of times.
I never comfort ate at all. This is the kind of thing that makes you lose your appetite tho. I could not eat all my meals, I was out and about for different reasons all day. I chowed at dinner tho, ooops.
meal 1
4 whites
1 egg
1/2 oats dry
1 orange
meal 2
4 oz chicken breast
2 C broccoli
Healthy Choice Chicken marinara meal
meal 3
2.5 C salad greens
4 oz chicken
15g walnuts
10 g feta cheese
30 g dried cherries
12 g sourdough pretzels
3T raspberry vinaigrette
Honkin hunk of french baguette 114 g( oh I guess this is comfort eating LOL)
buttah 6 g
Too much excitement today. I finally went to the doctor to check out my stomach/chest pain and to my unbelief they went into heart attack mode of which I start to freak out, which makes my blood pressure soar, which freaks them out and we start all over again!
My EKG was good but I had to promise if the pain didn't go away I would go into emergency (oh great). So anyhooo I was about to go in to emergency after dinner, after I took my new meds a PPI and antacid( she said to take them asap after I got them) My pain was yeeeoooowwww. Anyway my BIL comes and gives me this bottle of digestive enzymes chewables that he was going to try to wean himself off the meds. Well I'll be, they worked wonderfully and things have greatly calmed down. I am debating whether or not to just do them and skip the meds.
Kelly...........Take care of yourelf. What a scare! Whatever you do, please talk to your doctor about skipping meds and just taking whatever your BIL gave you. It might just be a freak chance that they worked. You don't want to go messing around with self-medicating when it comes to "heart" issues. I hope you feel better today.
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I took the pills this morning. I can feel the acid in my throat. Bummer. Anyway the pain is wayyy better but still barely there.
I have to tell you I am down 1.5 lbs. I hope it sticks. After all this time I hope I have found the key. I have not worked out yet, but the fatigue is going away. I might lose too fast after the workout is implemented. More food, oh darn...
I have to work tonite and tomorrow late. I can eat fine today, tomorrow is iffy.
I bought some soy flour and am hoping to firm up Stephanies protein bars. I want to bake and that is a good way to experiment. Besides that, my 13 yo son has taken to my protein bars that I buy... not good, expensive! So I have to figure something out. I would LOVE to get some of that splenda liquid but SHEESH is it ever expesive! I did see some stevia liquid. Tossing it around and eating cleaner everyday
OH ANDDDDD I took Leigh's advice and bought a digital scale. I am wondering if that is what is helping!
I took the pills this morning. I can feel the acid in my throat. Bummer. Anyway the pain is wayyy better but still barely there.
I have to tell you I am down 1.5 lbs. I hope it sticks. After all this time I hope I have found the key. I have not worked out yet, but the fatigue is going away. I might lose too fast after the workout is implemented. More food, oh darn...
I have to work tonite and tomorrow late. I can eat fine today, tomorrow is iffy.
I bought some soy flour and am hoping to firm up Stephanies protein bars. I want to bake and that is a good way to experiment. Besides that, my 13 yo son has taken to my protein bars that I buy... not good, expensive! So I have to figure something out. I would LOVE to get some of that splenda liquid but SHEESH is it ever expesive! I did see some stevia liquid. Tossing it around and eating cleaner everyday
OH ANDDDDD I took Leigh's advice and bought a digital scale. I am wondering if that is what is helping!
You'll have to let me know how the bars turn out for you if you get it figured out with the soy.
I bet using a digital scale will make a difference, Kelly. Good for you on making small strides towards getting your program under control.
CONGRATS on that 1.5 pounds!!!!
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I am el pooped-o from the quickie conference. Everyone was el cheapo too meaning, not alot of money made. I had a good time tho.
Anyway, it has thrown my eating off, so I write this off as a controlled cheat day.
Guess what? My acid reflux IS GONE! You know, I had a feeling it was a virus right? Well I took the pills yesterday because I didn't want to feel bad, I did still feel some pain, not too bad. This morning, I wanted to take a chance, so I didn't take the meds I am just FINE! My energy is back.
Congratulations on moving that scale! I'm so glad to see you got your energy back. Go kick some butt on those workouts, girl...And hooray for Spring in MI! It's supposed to be like 70 tomorrow and I'm doing some running (sprints) outside with a friend. God bless this weather.
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Well I am gearing up for the full on wo and eats next week. My aches and pains are gone, upset tummy almost completely gone, no headaches and only a teensy bit more tired than usual! YAY!
I am printing off recipes so I can't get started. I LOVE my little digital scale. Habits are starting to be set in.
I can tell that this is SO different from anything I have ever done. This time I am going to do it. I am more laid back, not in a rush anymore and confident that this fat is going go come off. I am just confident that this is going to work! That is the whole entire reason I have quit before, thinking it is not going to work.
I think one of the big things for me is food. I have not refused myself anything. I work around it, I procrastinate until the weekend LOL! Or I just ask myself if a healthy alternative will be fine. It is working!
O O O OHHHHHH I made GREEK YOGURT YA'LL! It is SO easy, it is draining now. I stopped and picked up a 16oz, $4.99 tub of Fage 2%. Foodgasms LOL! With blueberries and almonds and honeyyyyyyy. I did mine with skim milk tho. I will have to estimate the cals.
I started with 4 cups of milk. Heated it to boiling in the microwave. Cooled it to 122 degrees. Added a heaping Tablespoon of Yogurt. Stirred it. Put it into my giant coffee thermos and let it sit for 14 hours. I had to let it sit over nite. I read a site that said no longer than 8 hours but it does not taste sour. I am curious to see if it as good as 2%. Perhaps I can mess around with that. YOU JUST HAVE TO TRY IT. All you have to do is make sure you keep back a little yogurt from the last batch.
I am going to just measure what I got after draining and calculate the cals by the milk volume. It is probably less than that but I am not sure. This is fun! Next is the protein bar experiment!
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If this is your war, I think you just won a battle.
on the downward trend!!!!!
Whatever you do, please talk to your doctor about skipping meds and just taking whatever your BIL gave you. It might just be a freak chance that they worked. You don't want to go messing around with self-medicating when it comes to "heart" issues. I hope you feel better today. 
. I had a good time tho.
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