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Old 02-19-2008, 06:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ok, here we go.

I'm 24 years old, 5'5", and 189lbs at approximately 29.6% body fat. I'll be doing updated measurements this weekend for all parts of my body.

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I'm doing NROL4W. Currently in Stage 1, going into A6 tomorrow morning. As of my LAST workouts, here's what I'm lifting:

Workout A - 10x3
Squats - 70lbs (started at 45)
Pushups - All BW on hands and toes, barely! (started on hands and knees)
Seated Row - 70lbs (started at 50)
Step Ups - 17.5lb dumbbels (started at 10)
Prone Jackknife - 12 (ouch) (started at barely 8)

Workout B - 10x3
Deadlifts - 70lbs (started at 40)
Shoulder Press - 20lb dumbbells (started at 8s)
WG Lat Pulldown - 70lbs (started at 50)
Lunges - 12.5lb dumbbells (started at 10s - god I hate these!)
Swiss Ball Crunch - 12 (need to try hands over head)


I've been on the program since the end of January and between calipers and the scale, I see a loss of about 5lbs of fat. However, I'm not confident in these numbers as the scale fluctuates greatly and I'm not too sure of my skill with the calipers.

This week, I'm strictly eating maintenance calories. I believe I have a tendency to under eat when I'm active. Assuming my body fat measurement is correct (though I haven't done the underwater test), I've got about 132-133lbs of lean mass and 55-56lbs of fat. (Even if the body fat measurements are off a bit, this is still a good amount of lean mass for a woman.)

Maintenance calorie recommendations from the book are -
2400 calories on lifting days
2100 calories on off days

I have to make a determined effort to eat all my meals to make this calorie range, but I'm interested to see how it effects my numbers over the next week or two.

Last February, I had a good deal of success lifting according to the Body for Life lifting plan, and doing 20-mins of HIIT three-four times a week. I lost 11lbs of fat inside a month and gained a few pounds of muscle. However, I was only eating between 1500-1700 calories a day, and after five or six weeks of the above, I hit a wicked plateau. So now I'm trying maintenance calories, even if the loss is slower.

As of this week, here's what I'm eating:
Breakfast - .5c dry oats, 1 scoop whey, 1TB natural peanut butter, 20 raisins, .5c grated carrots

Snack - 1 large apple, 2 string cheese, 22 almonds

Lunch - 5oz lean ground turkey, .5c peas and corn, .5c sweetpotato (homemade "Shepherd's Pie")

Snack - 1c. 1% cottage cheese, 1 c. pineapple

Dinner - Same as lunch or 4oz. lean ground turkey on whole wheat hamburger bun, 1 slice lowfat American cheese, ketchup/mustard and cooked carrots w/ pat of butter

"Dessert" - 1c. whole yogurt with 1c. strawberries and 1T local honey (added this meal to bring up calories)

Going for the 40/30/30 split. Also, I cook ahead and plan mostly the same meals all week for ease. I switch it up every week or so to try and keep the variety.

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This morning -

Workout A6, 10x3
Squats - 70
Push Ups - (toes/knees) 10/0, 5/5, 7,3 (not the best day for these)
Seated Row - 70, 75, 75
Step Up - 20, 20, 20 (up from 17.5)
Prone Jackknife - 12 / Rev. Crunch 12, 12

Food Planned -
Same as above, turkey burger for dinner (yum).

I'm at 100% compliance for the week, so I should have some good data to work with when I measure this weekend. Also, having such a pristine record for meals makes me not want to slip up, so I'm confident I'll get through today with my planned meals. The real trouble seems to be Friday night, when the boyfriend and I end up going out to eat with friends. We'll see what happens.
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Hi! Your workouts and diet both look really good!

I'm not sure if you are interested in Hi/Lo GI, but I often use agave nectar to sweeten things up, which has a pretty similar taste/consistency to honey, but with a very low GI. You can find it at most natural food stores, I think.
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Hi! Your workouts and diet both look really good!

I'm not sure if you are interested in Hi/Lo GI, but I often use agave nectar to sweeten things up, which has a pretty similar taste/consistency to honey, but with a very low GI. You can find it at most natural food stores, I think.
I haven't been too concerned about GI stuff...I just try to keep my foods clean and eat a fruit or vegetable with everything.

I eat the local honey because I can get it at the Farmer's Market and having it every day in the summer seems to help with my allergies. (This hasn't been scientifically proven, definitively, but I see improvement.)

Is the agave nectar expensive? I have some Stevia around somewhere...
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Hi there!
I love LL and that song. I have it on my workout playlist. LOL

Your numbers look good and I am glad you started a training log, that I can peek into from time to time.
Keep up the good work!
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Hi there!
I love LL and that song. I have it on my workout playlist. LOL

Your numbers look good and I am glad you started a training log, that I can peek into from time to time.
Keep up the good work!
Thanks GinnyLou! (Eeyore moment - Thanks for noticing me...)

That song is a total inspiration. When I go in to the weight room I feel like I have to act tough to hold my own. You definitely can't go into the squat rack, surrounded by big, beefy guys, and say, "Is anyone using this?" You gotta act like, "Back up, son! This is my world." So, needless to say, I've been listening to a lot of macho music.

I figured I'd get a log going because none of my friends or family are really into this...well, I have an aunt who used to do bodybuilding contests, so she's around. But I just wanted to share progress and accountability here. These forums and the people who participate in them are just fantastic.

Love your avatar, btw! One of my favorite Marilyn pictures.
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AAAhhhhh you started a log! Good for you! (I just started one now).

Good I can visit and comment .
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I eat the local honey because I can get it at the Farmer's Market and having it every day in the summer seems to help with my allergies. (This hasn't been scientifically proven, definitively, but I see improvement.)

Is the agave nectar expensive? I have some Stevia around somewhere...
Local honey sounds nice. I wish I had access to more local stuff! Anyway, agave is more expensive than honey I think, but still not crazy expensive. About $5 for a bottle that I guess is comparable to the size of one of those honey bear bottles. Unlike Stevia it isn't calorie-free though.
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AAAhhhhh you started a log! Good for you! (I just started one now).

Good I can visit and comment .
Awesome! Nice to see ya here. =o) Where in Michigan do you hang around? I'm in Kalamazoo.
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Man, I used to have so much energy, just a week or two ago. And now, during the day, I'm fine. But by 8pm, I'm bushed! And I've been sleeping like a baby for 9 1/2 hours every night. Not that I'm complaining, I love the quality of sleep, but coupled with long hours at work lately, I'm not getting much else done! This is one of those times I'm glad I haul my butt out of bed at 5:30 to hit the gym and get it out of the way.
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Workout B6, 10x3
Deadlifts - 75, 75, 75
Shoulder Press - 22.5, 22.5 (9), 22.5
Bent over rows* - 45, 55, 65
Lunges - 12.5, 15, 15
Swiss-ball crunch - 12 (arms over head), 12 (plus 10lbs over head), 12 (10lbs)

*So, funny story...when I went to do the Lat Pulldowns, the cables were gone. I stood there staring at them for a while, trying to figure out what was going on - I thought maybe the cables on the other side were somehow switched up - until a Y Staff member came over and told me they were taken down because they were fraying. Yikes. So I did some bent-over rows, but they didn't feel quite as good. Still, better than nothing.

I upped my calories this week to "maintenance" - and I put it in quotes because Cassandra acknowledges it's just an estimation, not a law. Upon weigh-in this morning, I found I'd gained a bit. Went from 188.4lbs last week (at 29.6% bf) to 191.2lbs this morning (still at 29.6% bf).

Okay, so, obviously I know there's a break in period when going up in calories, and people hold onto water, and I know I didn't gain three pounds of fat in a week of eating a couple hundred more calories a day. But I'm weighing my options, because I do have a lot of fat to lose.

Options:
1) Keep calories the same, exercise the same, and evaluate after another week.
2) Keep calories the same, do 20-minute HIIT sessions Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday.
3) Lower calories by 300 (2100 lifting days, 1800 every other day), coupled with either option above (same exercise or add HIIT).

Right now, I'm leaning toward option 2. And if I'm not doing any better after an honest week of that, option 3.

I've eaten 100% clean since Monday. I want to have a full five days worth of untainted data to plug in.

My big concern is that trying to lose fat and get stronger are opposing goals and if I pursue them both, I won't do well at either. That's something to think about, I guess. But! I suppose I won't know how my body will do at the workouts on fewer calories unless I experiment and try it for myself. If I did cut calories, I might keep them the same on workout days and lower them more on off-days (and effectively zig-zag calories without a lot of additional thought).

I'll think about it more this weekend and start fresh with my new game plan on Monday.
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I think option 2 is a good idea, I would probably pick the same. I enjoy doing intervals, probably because the duration is pretty short, and its definitely worth it to me if I get to eat a little bit more. I usually do them three times a week as well, sometimes four if I've got some time.
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I think option 2 is a good idea, I would probably pick the same. I enjoy doing intervals, probably because the duration is pretty short, and its definitely worth it to me if I get to eat a little bit more. I usually do them three times a week as well, sometimes four if I've got some time.
I like the intervals, too. I get so bored doing cardio. Even in front of the TV...music is the only thing that really helps.

But I'm toying with the ideas of lowering calories a bit and zig-zagging - eating maintenance on lifting days and lowering them more on the other days - while doing the intervals. I think I'm going to give it a try, unless it starts hindering my lifting workouts. We'll see! I've got around 30lbs to lose, and I'd love to see some of that gone before summer. You know? I've been hearing good things about zig-zagging.
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I'm not sure if you are interested in Hi/Lo GI, but I often use agave nectar to sweeten things up, which has a pretty similar taste/consistency to honey, but with a very low GI. You can find it at most natural food stores, I think.
Glycemic Indexing is losing it's validity under current scrutiny. A recent study showed people who ate a high GI diet lost more fat with less variance among the subjects than the other group that ate a low GI diet.

A lot of the things we've based ideas on are falling apart under current technical resources and thinking.
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I upped my calories this week to "maintenance" - and I put it in quotes because Cassandra acknowledges it's just an estimation, not a law. Upon weigh-in this morning, I found I'd gained a bit. Went from 188.4lbs last week (at 29.6% bf) to 191.2lbs this morning (still at 29.6% bf).

Okay, so, obviously I know there's a break in period when going up in calories, and people hold onto water, and I know I didn't gain three pounds of fat in a week of eating a couple hundred more calories a day. But I'm weighing my options, because I do have a lot of fat to lose.
Okay so you didn't gain 3 lbs of fat for sure because your bf fat % remained the same. I would say that you gained some water and muscle though. That is a good thing. What you do next is really a matter of what your goals are in this program. I too have some fat to loose but am wishing to come out of this program with more muscle mass as well as fat loss. The option for me is to eat more and allow the weight to go up but keep the bf% around the same. So far I have put on more than 5 lbs and it is starting to show all over my body with my muscles. The reason it makes sense to do it this way if you want to have more muscle mass as an end result is because this new muscle will work with my body when I begin the cut and help burn the fat.

If your main focus though is on fat loss with some amount of tone then start a nice cut (lower those cals) and get it over with as soon as possble. Then you can re-evalutate your goals. If you are gaining muscle btw, it is likely the case that your cals are higher than maintenance anyway or you are understimating how much you are eating.
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Okay so you didn't gain 3 lbs of fat for sure because your bf fat % remained the same. I would say that you gained some water and muscle though. That is a good thing. What you do next is really a matter of what your goals are in this program. I too have some fat to loose but am wishing to come out of this program with more muscle mass as well as fat loss. The option for me is to eat more and allow the weight to go up but keep the bf% around the same. So far I have put on more than 5 lbs and it is starting to show all over my body with my muscles. The reason it makes sense to do it this way if you want to have more muscle mass as an end result is because this new muscle will work with my body when I begin the cut and help burn the fat.

If your main focus though is on fat loss with some amount of tone then start a nice cut (lower those cals) and get it over with as soon as possble. Then you can re-evalutate your goals. If you are gaining muscle btw, it is likely the case that your cals are higher than maintenance anyway or you are understimating how much you are eating.
I love this program, but right now my main goal IS fat loss. I have a decent amount of lean mass for a girl to begin with. Hovering around 190lbs with 29.6% body fat gives me around 133-134lbs of lean mass. And even if my calculations are off a little, that's still more than many women have. I'm not as concerned with adding mass as I am to losing some of this fat - for health and fitness and personal reasons.

But I'm curious how cutting calories will affect my workouts, because I'm enjoying them right now. They're tough, but I love it. So I'm going to cut a little at a time and see what happens.

And I don't think I'm gaining muscle as fast as it seems - I think water has a lot to do with it last week. I'm being really honest with my food, tracking every day, even down to that one square of dark chocolate I have after lunch occasionally. Accurate data is the only way to make an informed decision about what to do next...

But I appreciate you chiming in. Your progress is an inspiration to me.

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Glycemic Indexing is losing it's validity under current scrutiny. A recent study showed people who ate a high GI diet lost more fat with less variance among the subjects than the other group that ate a low GI diet.

A lot of the things we've based ideas on are falling apart under current technical resources and thinking.
Cynic, it's a shame there's so much back and forth in the nutrition world. But I believe the best I can do is inform myself as much as possible and then make my own decisions. My boyfriend teases me for eating salt and butter, but the food I eat day in and day out is whole food, and I'd rather use a little pat of butter than any chemically-processed spread.

I had a roommate and a friend who was vegan and she acted like it was the best thing a person could do for the world. But even at the same weight, she was two or three sizes bigger than me, and what she ate was mostly junk food. Soy pudding, soy ice cream, soy hot dogs on white buns...I stuck to my guns eating meat (and yes, even red meat sometimes! Gasp!) and dairy and lots of protein and fruits and vegetables, and I think it shows. I certainly feel healthy and strong and clean inside.

Could you point me to the study you were referencing?
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My point is deary that you are not gaining fat which is a good thing. Water is water (who cares?) and muscle is good even if it is only a tiny bit. If your goal is to loose fat/weight then do a nice healthy cut and get it over with. My trainer said you will not feel as good in doing that if you are used to maintanence calories. There is no way around that in his mind. Your weights will go down and you have to find the right balance between fatigue and weight loss. Personally I will push it to the edge and take as much off as I can in the fastest time possible and not worry about my strength going down. Of course I need to also watch loosing too much muscle mass so I have to keep it somewhat reasonable but I'll likely shoot for 2-3 lbs of fat loss a week during that time. Then I will turn it right around and go to maintain again.
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Personally I will push it to the edge and take as much off as I can in the fastest time possible and not worry about my strength going down. Of course I need to also watch loosing too much muscle mass so I have to keep it somewhat reasonable but I'll likely shoot for 2-3 lbs of fat loss a week during that time. Then I will turn it right around and go to maintain again.
I know you've lost some weight recently. Is this how you did it?

Kfisherx, you're a straight shooter. I like that. You're right, I shouldn't worry about strength going down. Fat loss is my highest priority right now. My problem in the past has been fat loss plateaus from cutting too many calories to see the numbers drop, but I'm hoping the zig-zag will keep that at bay. Thanks for your encouragement, everything is becoming crystal clear and I know what I need to do!
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When I first went in to see my trainer my goal was to get bigger muscles but when he measured my bf at 31% I decided to do 6 weeks or so of fat loss instead. Yes that is how I did it. I cut calories and added lifting into my cardio-based routine. I cut too far and actually crashed at one point. I even caught a virus at that time (I never get sick normally) I learned in doing that where my "edge" was with respect to calories and activity. I don't recommend this to everyone but it worked okay for me in the end when I got down to 18% bf. That was when I made a decision to go for gain or mass and that is what I am doing today. My bf% is still the same and I am gaining pounds.

Actually today I am averaging 2700 cals a day and this morning I found I lost weight again this week. (sigh....) So I am going to bump it up to 3000. My hope is this will allow me to have some more solid gains. In April when my cut time comes I will back off by around 500kcals a day. I suspect if you backed off my 300-400 that you would see some loss without too many side effects. You can probably do this through the zig-zag method as well as any other. End result is a calorie deficit which will leave you with less strength for some time so the shorter you can make that time the better (all in good health of course)

I believe that you can both loose fat and gain muscle at the same time but you can only do this in very tiny increments. It is much cleaner to have a goal for one or the other and shoot for that goal for a period of time.
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Hi Rixatrix!

I know my stats and age are WAY off from yours so that means YOU have an advantage over me.

Over 4 months of lifting and not as hard as NROL4W and just cleaning things up in the diet I have lost 3 " off my waist and other parts. I have only lost about 5 lbs, it goes up and down. I would have had to lose 20 lbs the old fashioned just diet way to get these results.

My pants slid off of me today . My dress pants that I was stuffed into last fall.

I am "cheating" on Stage one. I added 20 min of lung busting HIIT after my workouts 3x a week. That shook things up immensly. I am just now going to clean up the diet some more. My metabolism is screwed up too.

My .02 is that you try the HIIT. I read somewhere on this forum that HIIT and other cardio doesn't not tear down muscle so you don't need the recovery that you do lifting. So go for it.

Technically I HATE the number on the scale. But evidently my body is liking the shake up. The numbers will come. I have at least 148 lbs of muscle maybe even up to 157 lbs. I would love to see where I end up if I can keep that muscle. If 170 on me looks like 130 used to, who am I to complain .

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I upped my calories this week to "maintenance" - and I put it in quotes because Cassandra acknowledges it's just an estimation, not a law. Upon weigh-in this morning, I found I'd gained a bit. Went from 188.4lbs last week (at 29.6% bf) to 191.2lbs this morning (still at 29.6% bf).
This might sound like an odd question, but how often do you weigh yourself? I'm one of those scale-obsessed people, and weight myself daily. I find that I can have a fluctuation in weight up to 3.5 pounds from one day to the next. On the days that I'm at the higher weight (139), I know that I didn't drink enough water, pay attention to my water intake for the day, and the next morning, I'm back at the lowest weight (136).
To get my "actual" weight for my stats, I use an average of my week-long weights.
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Old 02-25-2008, 06:21 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Over 4 months of lifting and not as hard as NROL4W and just cleaning things up in the diet I have lost 3 " off my waist and other parts. I have only lost about 5 lbs, it goes up and down. I would have had to lose 20 lbs the old fashioned just diet way to get these results.

My pants slid off of me today . My dress pants that I was stuffed into last fall.
Congratulations! Those are fantastic results. =o)

I've been lifting on and off for years, and had some great results around this time last year. Lost 11lbs of fat and gained a couple pounds of lean mass, and then hit this terrific plateau. I maintained for several months, hit a bad patch (working seven days a week, thirteen hour days on weekends, and didn't have time to plan or hardly even sleep! All to help a friend out...pshh), and ultimately ended up where I began. So I know I need to cut calories a little. And throw back in some more HIIT.


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Technically I HATE the number on the scale. But evidently my body is liking the shake up. The numbers will come. I have at least 148 lbs of muscle maybe even up to 157 lbs. I would love to see where I end up if I can keep that muscle. If 170 on me looks like 130 used to, who am I to complain .

Did you read Alwyns latest blog?

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I know what you mean! The scale can play games in your head. But muscle always looks better. And strong, buff females seem to be more "in" than they used to - look at Jessica Biel, Gwen Stefani, Pink, etc. And thank god! Strong is achievable; waifish (at least for someone like me!) is not.

But the scale can be a beneficial tool for measuring progress, too.

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This might sound like an odd question, but how often do you weigh yourself? I'm one of those scale-obsessed people, and weight myself daily. I find that I can have a fluctuation in weight up to 3.5 pounds from one day to the next. On the days that I'm at the higher weight (139), I know that I didn't drink enough water, pay attention to my water intake for the day, and the next morning, I'm back at the lowest weight (136).
To get my "actual" weight for my stats, I use an average of my week-long weights.
Last week, I weighed myself on Thursday morning and Friday morning. I was eating clean - so no packaged foods, few processed foods (and what I did have was like, whole wheat hamburger bun, lowfat cheese, etc.). And I was drinking water like a fish. I know I was holding water, but I also didn't see my caliper measurements (bodyfat) go down at all. So I'm tweaking.

Over the first month I've been doing NROL4W, I saw my bodyfat drop a little, but my measurements and weight haven't gone down at all. I love the workouts, but I'm also looking to see some fat loss, and in the past, I've had results from dropping calories a bit.

Now, in the past, I've also gotten stuck in a plateau, so I'm being conscious not to drop too low this time around, and to vary calories day-to-day to keep my body from adjusting.

But on weight fluctuations - doesn't it suck to be a woman? I know muscle holds a lot of water and glycogen, but I do think that it's extra fat that holds on to all that water and salt and makes women feel bloated (versus men). Or maybe I'm wrong and it's just wishful thinking that one day, my pants will never feel tight when I've got PMS!
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Workout A7 - 8x3
Squats - 75, 80, 80 (up from 70!)
Push ups - 8, 8, 8 (on hands and toes)
Seated Row - 80, 80, 80 (up from 75)
Step ups - 22.5s (up from 20s)
Reverse Crunch - 15, 15, 15 (ouch)

Need to get a pair of lifting gloves.
1) Hands hurt after using such heavy weights on deadlift, step ups...
2) Want to look cool. Ha!

What I'm eating this week:
M/W/F - 2200 cals (lifting days)
B - 1c oatmeal, 1sc. whey, 1T PB, .25c carrots, 20ish raisins
S - Large apple, 2 string cheese, 15 almonds
L - Homemade chili (lean turkey and lots o' beans) and baby carrots
S - Banana w/ 3 hard boiled egg whites
D - Turkey burger w/lowfat cheese on whole wheat roll, green beans w/ pat of butter
S - 1/2c. whole plain yogurt, 1c. strawberries, 1/2T honey
Workout - Banana before, Strawberry protein shake with skim milk after (mmm, strawberry)

T/TH/Sun - 1550-1600 cals (non-lifting days)
Same as above, minus almonds, yogurt, honey, roll and Workout meal.

Saturdays, I use my 10% treat meals...so I'm not going to put it in the equation. If it gets in the way of fat loss, it'll go, but for now, I don't want to have to track this.

Measurements (as of this morning)
Bust - 41"
Waist - 32.5"
Hips - 43"
Thigh - 27"
BF - 29.6%
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Waifish? What is waifish roflol! MY BONES are not waifish!

I do hear ya on the scale tho. It seems with all this work and dang hard work too, it should be rolling off in sheets!

Frustrating!
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So I work really closely with one person in my job. We're a team, so she's basically my partner. And this is what I have to listen to, day in and day out:

9:30 - "I'm kinda hungry. Why am I hungry? I ate two hard boiled eggs and a glass of orange juice for breakfast at 7. I shouldn't be hungry."

(me, cupping hands together) - "You had this much food two and a half hours ago, and you wonder why you're hungry?"

(her) - "Yeah, well, I'm not running a marathon."

(me) - "Then shut up and don't eat. You could start smoking and drinking Diet Cokes, too, and you'd be just like a model!"

She has Dutch heritage, so she's almost 6' tall and really skinny - and eats junk all day and it doesn't catch up to her. Unfortunately, these kinds of people never learn how to be healthy or eat right because they can get away with eating a Big Mac for lunch and nothing for the rest of the day.

She also tells me that weightlifting gives her migraines, and that she wants to lose 15lbs and be back where she was last winter, when her boyfriend had just broken up with her and she was emaciated (her skin was grey, her thighs were a mile apart, and she was skinny fat).

Ugh! Sometimes it's so frustrating!

I'm glad I have these forums and can talk to people with like minds. My boyfriend is really supportive, but he and everyone else in my life has no interest in weight lifting for themselves...
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But on weight fluctuations - doesn't it suck to be a woman? I know muscle holds a lot of water and glycogen, but I do think that it's extra fat that holds on to all that water and salt and makes women feel bloated (versus men). Or maybe I'm wrong and it's just wishful thinking that one day, my pants will never feel tight when I've got PMS!
The weight fluctuations used to make me crazy. Now the only time it really gets to me is when I'm bloated (I agree with the salt!) or that one week each month when I can't wear my pants.

As for your co-worker, she may be tall and skinny, but without the weight lifting, she will never be as strong as you. I actually have the opposite co-worker that I work close with. He's a weight lifter, and is actually the one that turned me on to NROL4W. While I'm glad for that, every time I grab something to eat, he watches and asks what I'm eating. Usually I'm snacking on something good, but I feel extra guilty on those days where I've grabbed a handful of candy from the front desk.
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The weight fluctuations used to make me crazy. Now the only time it really gets to me is when I'm bloated (I agree with the salt!) or that one week each month when I can't wear my pants.

As for your co-worker, she may be tall and skinny, but without the weight lifting, she will never be as strong as you. I actually have the opposite co-worker that I work close with. He's a weight lifter, and is actually the one that turned me on to NROL4W. While I'm glad for that, every time I grab something to eat, he watches and asks what I'm eating. Usually I'm snacking on something good, but I feel extra guilty on those days where I've grabbed a handful of candy from the front desk.
Haha, I can see how that would be annoying too...but at least you have support at work! My coworker literally snapped at me once, "I'm so sick of hearing about weight lifting!" And this was around other people. But she can be a real jerk sometimes.

But yesterday, I was sort of cranky and went to talk to another coworker who had just spend a year living in Greece, and we talked about how Europeans are so much cooler about their attitude with food and health and fitness. Vs. Americans who are neurotic about everything! It calmed me down to remember the whole world hasn't gone insane.
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Unfortunately, these kinds of people never learn how to be healthy or eat right because they can get away with eating a Big Mac for lunch and nothing for the rest of the day.
I agree. Sometimes I feel like if I hadn't been chubby when I was younger, I would have never been pushed to exercise and eat right. If I could get away with it, it probably would never occur to me to et healthy, and I'd probably be eating tons of pizza and ice cream or something.
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I agree. Sometimes I feel like if I hadn't been chubby when I was younger, I would have never been pushed to exercise and eat right. If I could get away with it, it probably would never occur to me to et healthy, and I'd probably be eating tons of pizza and ice cream or something.
That's a good point. I don't eat ice cream because it makes me sick to my stomach, so it's EASY to stay away from it. And I just can't get away with pizza too often. There are a lot of young guys at work, and they eat out every day! Sometimes I get jealous, because who doesn't crave Chinese food from time to time? But I know that if I want to reach my goals, I have to have certain behaviors and habits when it comes to food. But wouldn't it be grand to be one of those people who never has to think about what they eat and always looks good?
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