Major cyberhugs to all of my friends here at JP for all of the kind words and PM's. You all are wonderful.
Tomorrow I have a day off of work and I will be getting my BodPod done in the AM. I plan to workout tomorrow sometime, as well. I'll just ease back in and feel my way through.
I'll report back in on the BodPod results, too!
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Originally Posted by UConnJulie
Jane, first of all, I am SOOOOOOO sorry about Sophie. I just can't imagine the sorrow and pain you are feeling from such a traumatic event. You are in my prayers.
Second, I have Power Training, and although I think it is a great book and well laid-out, 4x10 is a LOT of volume. I have been on Dos' board and somewhere he does say that if you are not used to that much volume to build up to it, or to just drop one set to make it more like what you have been doing. You don't want to burn yourself out dieting and doing that much volume. JMO.
Sending you some hugs and warm fuzzy thoughts ...
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hey jane, just want you to know that I am thinking of you. gentle exercise feels right to me in these times. meditative walks, yoga and stretches. putting on some music and going for a gentle walk in a venue that renews my spirit. hoping these ideas resonate with you too. (((((HUGS)))))
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You have every reason to be having a tough time. I hope it starts getting easier for you. I've been thinking about you a ton. Be sure and take care of yourself.
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Agreed. Don't pressure yourself right now with workouts, just go with some gentle movements while you start to heal. You're already looking hot in your bikini so no pressures there.
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Originally Posted by UConnJulie
x4
Allow yourself the space to grieve ... and the space to recover.
Sending more hugs ...
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Originally Posted by gregl515
Take your time and allow yourself to grieve properly. That is a horrible loss.
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Jane, I'm so very sorry to hear about Sophie .......Big hugs to you.
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Originally Posted by Cynic
Jane, I'm sorry to hear about Sophie. I do hope you can get back into the swing of things before too long, but certainly give yourself some time to grieve.
Of all the damnable circumstance...
I read the story. I look forward to your return but take the time needed.
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*hugs* now is the time to be gentle with yourself.
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Hugs! I totally agree with everyone. I do better when I get outside and away from everything. I grieved through running on a track as well. Somehow going in circles over and over was meditative. I didn't have to worry about lights or anything I could just let my mind go and my body deal with it. Find what works for you and allow yourself the time to do it. We're here for you!
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Yeah Jane... I was wondering about you coming back so soon. Just chill and grieve and rest. Your body needs that from you. Eat healthy and hydrate and get more sleep than normal. Things will come back for you eventually. Don't rush it...
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Originally Posted by LoriAnne
Jane, I have been out of the loop for many days and wanted you to know how sorry I am for you as I just read this horrible news.
You will get back to that place where you can focus mentally and physically, but don't let any more unhappiness into your life because you are taking a needed break. You are an amazing woman and will get through this difficult time. Grief is exhausting and the way we deal with it is exceptionally personal. Do what you need to do for yourself and know that we all care about you.
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Originally Posted by Bytsi
Hey Jane... I know it's been said before, but take your time and let yourself deal with emotions before you try a new challenging program. Sometimes working out helps, but do it on your own terms, and only if it is helping.
I just saw an article in the paper about possibly closing the dog park because yours wasn't the only incident (a large dog swam across the pond and hurt a small dog)... you probably saw the article, but... they really do need to police those things better to ensure safety for everyone if they're going to keep it open.
Hang in there... we're thinking about you.
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Originally Posted by Littlemermaidklb
I thought I has posted my best wishes to you inhere at some point, but I don't see them and I'm sure the site probably ate them while it was doing strange and bizarre things. At any rate, I echo what everyone else in here has said about giving yourself time to heal. Hope to see you posting again soon! We miss you!
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Hi Miss Jane
Although I've been AWOL on the site for quite a bit, I just read about your loss and wanted to send my symphathies to you.
Take good care of yourself
OK, just got back from my Bod Pod. WOW! What an eye-opening experience. Before I went, I had a caliper measurement done and I did my Omron this morning, so I had those two measurements to compare with the Bod Pod. All along, I have been thinking that both of those measurement methods were not very accurate. Because knowing my BF% is more important to me than the scale number, I decided the Bod Pod was the way to go.
When I got there, I explained to the Dr at the university why I was there and showed him my other readings (from the calipers and the Omron) and told him I wanted to know how accurate different methods were, and to finally know the RIGHT percentage. He went on to explain that I would probably be surprised by my reading and that it most likely would be quite a bit higher than I thought. Most people using the methods I had used are getting percentages that are WAY low. He said he's seen both methods be off by 10 percentage points.
Here are mine.....I was a bit shocked!
Calipers 26.5%
Omron 27.5%
BodPod 32.5%!
Yikes! I'm not happy about it, but at least now I know an accurate number and I am going to go back every 3 months to check it and totally forget about the Omron and the calipers.
If you've got a Bod Pod in your area, you should do it. For me, it was eye-opening, educational, and I'm glad I did it.
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Yikes! I'm not happy about it, but at least now I know an accurate number and I am going to go back every 3 months to check it and totally forget about the Omron and the calipers.
Well, I never would have put you there. That is almost the same as mine from the BodPod, I got done last month - mine is higher.
So, it means we are going to kick some butt these next 3 months, right? LOL At least that is my plan. I plan on going back the end of August and I am doing my damndest to get that number down. I'm using it as a motivational tool and not necessarily a starting point because my 1st reading was 34.9%, but a starting point from getting my diet (your already is) in check.
You look so much smaller/defined than that number - which isn't a horrible number but, I totally get the shocked part of it.
Anyways, good for you and getting it done. I don't want to ramble in your log too much. You'll be hearing from me soon.
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Well, I never would have put you there. That is almost the same as mine from the BodPod, I got done last month - mine is higher.
So, it means we are going to kick some butt these next 3 months, right? LOL At least that is my plan. I plan on going back the end of August and I am doing my damndest to get that number down. I'm using it as a motivational tool and not necessarily a starting point because my 1st reading was 34.9%, but a starting point from getting my diet (your already is) in check.
You look so much smaller/defined than that number - which isn't a horrible number but, I totally get the shocked part of it.
Anyways, good for you and getting it done. I don't want to ramble in your log too much. You'll be hearing from me soon.
Wow! I must be in the 50% range or something! It's good to know that the calipers can be so far off and I wasn't missing out by not doing them. Once I finish the repair program and get through some of metaburn, I'm going to try to find a place and get it done.
You know, it doesn't change the fact that you are totally hot in a bikini.
No kidding!! I mean, it's not like I'm some great expert in bodyfat guesstimation but, wow, I would have expected much lower. You look great regardless of what the numbers say, Jane.
It just goes to show how skewed our perceptions are ... "normal" bodyfat percentage is 22-25%!!
Body Type
Female
Male
Athlete
<17%
<10%
Lean
17-22%
10-15%
Normal
22-25%
15-18%
Above Average
25-29%
18-20%
Overfat
29-35%
20-25%
Obese
35+%
25+%
But I agree, Jane ... you look lower than that to me ... but ultimately bodyfat percentage doesn't matter. What matters ultimately is that you are happy with what you see in the mirror!!
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Wow Jane, gotta say I'm surprised by that number. I'm still thinking about it, but not sure i could handle hearing a really high number... For me, the calipers are consistent (done by the same expert each month) if not totally "accurate", so knowing the trend may be more important than the actual number for someone like me who obsesses on it...
I really did expect a lower number based on your ht/wt and pictures... wow!
Well, for me, I really needed to know the CORRECT number. Trending doesn't work for me. I wanted to know the real number for health reasons. I need to know how much lean vs how much fat. My whole goal is to increase lean (eventually) so I will not suffer from the muscle loss that my mom has experienced. I want to be strong. So, knowing the numbers is a big deal for me.
As for my weight. At 5'8" and 140 lbs, I really am stuck now on what to do. Obviously I have some fat left to lose! But, I'm scared to go much lower on the scale, but it looks like I will have to do so. I really want to maintain lean, get off the fat and THEN work on BUILDING lean. Hopefully at my next bodpod reading, I will see the fat loss and lean retention I am looking for.
Bytsi, I also had consistent caliper readings done by an "expert" each time. And, the Omron had been consistent for the last couple of months within a percentage or two. So, obviously, as the doc said.....these methods are not accurate. I think it's important to know exactly how much fat vs lean one has. Like I said, for health reasons, in particular.
If someone would have asked me what my bodyfat percentage was a year ago, I would have had NO CLUE. If I would have come to this board and compared myself to others, I would have probably put myself at 30%. Recently, I was thinking that the calipers and Omron were about 2% off...maybe....again, because I was comparing myself to others. Now, I know I was comparing myself to others who ALSO were stating inaccurate BF readings. I feel much more informed now and a freedom from the calipers and Omron. I am only going to measure 4 times a year and do it the right way.
Here's some things you didn't mention that I think are worth noting:
YOU GOT BOOBS: You know the stuff some of us are lacking. And you know that's primarily adipose tissue.
Look at your picture: the reason you look so hot is because you seem to be one of the genetically-gifted with a proportionate distribution of your fatty tissue.
I'm not sure where you go from here, but I hope you don't feel you need to do something extreme. You are doing so awesome. Don't let the data get you down.
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Hi Jane. Yep, I thought your results were going to be higher than we all expected. I think I guessed you would by 27-ish, but at the time I thought it would be a bit higher but didn't want to sound bad by saying you're 30%. Not because I think you look fatty, we just have a skewed view of what 25% bodyfat or 18% bodyfat looks like on a woman. You look really good and lean. You have visible abs, yet still retain your womanly curves and boobs. I actually think the bod pod has a certain margin of error and you are probably less than 32.5, but still...you now have a baseline to work from right?
Wow Jane, I'll chime in and say I'm shocked too! You really do look great though! I really should get this done and see where I am, it's hard to guesstimate just by comparing to other people's pictures and numbers. By our pictures we're pretty similar, only you're taller and have boobs, lol. So my guess is I'm right there with ya in that low-30's number. But you look darn impressive and don't let any number tell ya different!
Hi Jane. Yep, I thought your results were going to be higher than we all expected. I think I guessed you would by 27-ish, but at the time I thought it would be a bit higher but didn't want to sound bad by saying you're 30%. Not because I think you look fatty, we just have a skewed view of what 25% bodyfat or 18% bodyfat looks like on a woman. You look really good and lean. You have visible abs, yet still retain your womanly curves and boobs. I actually think the bod pod has a certain margin of error and you are probably less than 32.5, but still...you now have a baseline to work from right?
This was definitely my problem. So very true, Jil. And, I DO want to retain my womanly curves and boobs, so it's all good!
Here's some things you didn't mention that I think are worth noting:
YOU GOT BOOBS: You know the stuff some of us are lacking. And you know that's primarily adipose tissue.
Look at your picture: the reason you look so hot is because you seem to be one of the genetically-gifted with a proportionate distribution of your fatty tissue.
I'm not sure where you go from here, but I hope you don't feel you need to do something extreme. You are doing so awesome. Don't let the data get you down.
Now those are two things I didn't think of. Thanks for pointing them out!
Hi Jane! I'm not sure how I stumbled upon your log, I'm sure it was because of Kara haha, but I wanted to give you my 2 cents (take it or leave it haha ).
1. I'll most definitely agree with what DanceDiva on both her points that she made.
2. (and I think this is the most important) Data is data... a percentage or some number should never dictate how you feel about yourself. Losing a percent or two of body fat is not going to buy happiness so my advice to you is to appreciate how far you've come and keep doing what your doing. Maybe some day you'll drop body weight or maybe you won't, but please believe what the people above my post said... you look amazing and you are doing an incredible job... something that 90% of Americans aren't doing.
At any rate, this became a rant... but smile, be happy, and realize that a number is not a label cause you look great!
Hi Jane! I'm not sure how I stumbled upon your log, I'm sure it was because of Kara haha, but I wanted to give you my 2 cents (take it or leave it haha ).
1. I'll most definitely agree with what DanceDiva on both her points that she made.
2. (and I think this is the most important) Data is data... a percentage or some number should never dictate how you feel about yourself. Losing a percent or two of body fat is not going to buy happiness so my advice to you is to appreciate how far you've come and keep doing what your doing. Maybe some day you'll drop body weight or maybe you won't, but please believe what the people above my post said... you look amazing and you are doing an incredible job... something that 90% of Americans aren't doing.
At any rate, this became a rant... but smile, be happy, and realize that a number is not a label cause you look great!
-Brian
A visit for "Bri"!!! Yeah!
Thanks fo much for the nice words.
And, I've said in the past that I always used the mirror, a measuring tape, and how I felt to gauge my progress. I never even used to weigh myself, so I'm definitely not a slave to a number. It's only for health reasons that I am concerned. Actually, I'm glad to know because it gives me even more incentive to recomp my body. I LIKE my shape and my size. I just need to exchange the ratios a bit.
Gosh I'm surprised at your result too. However, what I'm thinking is, that the majority of body fat readings have been taken with calipers in the past, since not many people will have gone for a full dunking. So when they produce those charts, and work out the normal range etc, that is presumably done by measuring lots of people with calipers.
Also when we look at a women who has measured at 20% bf and say, yes that is what I am aiming for, she has probably been measured with calipers and if she was to do the Bodpod, then the reading would be higher. So the "ideal" figure is also higher.
What I am getting at, is that you are higher than you expected but that the figure you are aiming for (whatever that may be) is also higher now. And what is considered a healthy body fat is probably higher too.
I've just done a quick scan of the literature and it seems that body fat measurements done by the Bodpod are generally found to come out higher than underwater weighing, so I don't think it is an absolute figure still.
Gosh I'm surprised at your result too. However, what I'm thinking is, that the majority of body fat readings have been taken with calipers in the past, since not many people will have gone for a full dunking. So when they produce those charts, and work out the normal range etc, that is presumably done by measuring lots of people with calipers.
Also when we look at a women who has measured at 20% bf and say, yes that is what I am aiming for, she has probably been measured with calipers and if she was to do the Bodpod, then the reading would be higher. So the "ideal" figure is also higher.
What I am getting at, is that you are higher than you expected but that the figure you are aiming for (whatever that may be) is also higher now. And what is considered a healthy body fat is probably higher too.
Thank God someone wrote that. I was dreading typing that all on my Blackberry.
Calipers and bioimpedence devices and those charts are calibrated low. You're comparing apples and oranges.
Also, it's still the trending that's important. Unless the doc told you it's critical to hit a certain LBM weight. How could he know what's the right #? So, compare the % to your weight, using any method you like and watch to make sure it's trending in the right direction.
Thank God someone wrote that. I was dreading typing that all on my Blackberry.
Calipers and bioimpedence devices and those charts are calibrated low. You're comparing apples and oranges.
Also, it's still the trending that's important. Unless the doc told you it's critical to hit a certain LBM weight. How could he know what's the right #? So, compare the % to your weight, using any method you like and watch to make sure it's trending in the right direction.
I hear ya, LD. And, I knew that calipers and omron were measuring way low (just didn't figure THAT much lower!). And, yes, downward trending is exactly what I am aiminig for. However, I also want to be at a HEALTHY BF%, so I needed to know an accurate number. If I'd gone just by calipers and/or the omron, I'd have thought I was already in a healthy range. Turns out, I have a lot more work to do. It's all good.
On a side note, I want to make sure everyone sees my post in the announcement thread:
However, I also want to be at a HEALTHY BF%, so I needed to know an accurate number. If I'd gone just by calipers and/or the omron, I'd have thought I was already in a healthy range. Turns out, I have a lot more work to do.
This is where I think you're not understanding...
The chart that Julie posted was probably developed for those using calipers. Omron and bio-impedance devices came along, and they were calibrated to match up with what you'd expect from calipers. The chart matches those readings.
The ranges and their percentages weren't developed based on what some dudes thought were good levels of fatty for the categories, then they measured a bunch of those people to find out the bf% ranges to stick in those categories.
There's no scientific basis for those arbitrary bf%s. They were backed into and just estimates of what's good and bad.
Until DEXA, Bod Pod, or dissection becomes the body fat % testing standard, we'll likely have to consider two charts, both of which mean roughly the same thing, even though they have different numbers#
It's too bad that the technician didn't get this. Too bad they don't make a alternate chart or comparison chart to give to people, where Normal of 22-25% is also shows as 24-27% with the BodPod.
I hope it starts getting easier for you. I've been thinking about you a ton. Be sure and take care of yourself.
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