Since MissTenacity is a voracious reader of training books, I'm taking her word for it...
But honestly, I've never heard about Tabatas in the context of cycling, nor running & only saw references to them for interval-like lifting like Ross Enamait is famous for.
Dr. Izumi Tabata did his original study with special cycles. But, yes, tabata training is now done using a myriad of different movements/exercises, right or wrong. Who cares, it kicks my ass.
Okay, after reading that thread on Lyle's I realize you're NOT doing Tabatas. BUT, you're doing some pretty kickass 20 on / 10 off intervals that definitely are kicking your ass.
Okay, after reading that thread on Lyle's I realize you're NOT doing Tabatas. BUT, you're doing some pretty kickass 20 on / 10 off intervals that definitely are kicking your ass.
I second that.
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Reading that one right now & suddenly remembering to have seen it before! So I *did* reat about the Tabatas only being done on a bicycle..
The HIIT discussion is similar but in reverse.. everyone NOW thinks a true interval is extremely brief (Tabata-like) & balls-to-the-walls-all-out-effort like, but originally, interval training was for much longer time periods. Don't ask for details.. MissTenacity will know them by heart I guess?
Anyway.. you won't ever find me doing that kind of stuff for weights. Intervals or fast stuff I'll reserve exclusively for speed walking (don't run myself), cycling or rowing.
The HIIT discussion is similar but in reverse.. everyone NOW thinks a true interval is extremely brief (Tabata-like) & balls-to-the-walls-all-out-effort like, but originally, interval training was for much longer time periods. Don't ask for details.. MissTenacity will know them by heart I guess?
Simply put, different lengths of intervals at different intensities (and differing rest periods) are used for very different physiological goals.
One very specific example: a favorite workout meant to raise your lactate threshold, key for endurance weenies. LT is your "very hard" effort level just below going anaerobic. Roughly, it is what you can sustain - just barely - for 45-60min. But getting it tested by a lab is better, just like VO2max.
Warm up slow, then do 2000m at LT pace, active recovery for 2min, repeat 2-4x. Fun stuff.
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I hear that challenging training has an effect no matter what you call it?
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I guess what you call it doesn't matter, but it doesn't follow that challenging training always leads to the desired effect. From the link I posted, Lyle was pointing out that Tabata was designed to enhance performance and might not be the optimal way to lose fat. Which makes sense - after all, there's a limit to how many calories you can burn in 4min however intensely you go at it. Lyle also points out a risk of injury when doing that sort of protocol off the bike. Another effect of challenging training but not necessarily the right one.
C'mon already you guys.....my log is getting more action than I see in a year.
I'm just gonna workout....'kay? And, I'm gonna call them tabatas. You'll know what I mean. Hell, half the peeps who say they squat aren't really squatting. You get the point.
I see so you went from arguing over semantics to arguing over something I didn't say in the first place
Good for you, here's a cookie
I think the pot's calling the kettle black since I haven't made any arguments about semantics. I just posted a link to an interesting thread off Lyle's site which discussed both semantics and the purpose of the tabata protocols. I actually think the more relevant parts of that discussion are to do with the safety and effectiveness of that sort of training for fat loss.
Jane, sorry, I wasn't meaning to cause trouble in your log, just thought you might be interested in the link posted. I honestly don't care whether you call them tabatas or not - but I thought there were other points in that thread that might be relevant to your training. I always regret it if I think I have posted anything that bothers anyone on the forums so I'll bow out now.
OMG! Isn't it the worst when you walk downstairs after a workout and you're all shaky and wobbly in the legs? Like you're not sure if you're going to fall right down the stairs?
C'mon already you guys.....my log is getting more action than I see in a year.
I'm just gonna workout....'kay? And, I'm gonna call them tabatas. You'll know what I mean. Hell, half the peeps who say they squat aren't really squatting. You get the point.
After reading all of this, I added them to our Squat Club Workout. And you are right, whatever they are.....they kicked our butts.
O/H Squat with Broomstick Tabata-Style - approximately 100 O/H squats! Ow!
Good workout except for some asshole at the gym I wanted to tell off....long story. I held back because I didn't think that a member of the gym's advisory panel should say "fuck off" to another member. But, that's EXACTLY what I wanted to do and had to BITE MY TONGUE not to do so. GRRRRRR....
Matt, that is EXACTLY what I told one of my friends who work at the gym that I wanted to do (coincidentally, my friend at the gym is Matt, as well). Little twerp. I was so pissed, I was shaking. I really did want to beat the shit out of him. And, I was mad enough, I probably could have done it out of sheer adrenaline.
one of my mentors from residency has a daughter with schizophrenia. she would loudly repeat ad nauseum, "if a guy ever tries to hurt me, I will just KICK HIM IN THE BALLS." then she would repeat KICKHIMINTHEBALLSKICKHIMINTHEB ALLSKICKHIMINTHEBALLS......in her loud, monotone voice. matt's loud boldface type reminded me of her.
Simply put, different lengths of intervals at different intensities (and differing rest periods) are used for very different physiological goals.
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Really Jane? 
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