YEAH he's back!!! Great job on trending it downward. Isn't it cool to know how to make the scale move? To me that is the most important thing, not that it is always moving but that we can make it happen if we want. I did a re-feed yesterday and am wondering just how the scale is going to look today. I am not worried though 'cause I know I can drop whatever happens to be a gain today. I no longer worry over the stupid scale.
Can't wait to read what you are doing today....
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"The reason that most people fail instead of succeed is that they trade what they want most for what they want at the moment."
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YEAH he's back!!! Great job on trending it downward. Isn't it cool to know how to make the scale move? To me that is the most important thing, not that it is always moving but that we can make it happen if we want. I did a re-feed yesterday and am wondering just how the scale is going to look today. I am not worried though 'cause I know I can drop whatever happens to be a gain today. I no longer worry over the stupid scale.
Can't wait to read what you are doing today....
Yes - having removed beer from the equation made me realize that I can move my weight down a lot quicker without it.
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Good job on eating out. I have the hardest time with eating out. I tend to eat way to many carbs. I just love bread to much.
Sounds like you have a interesting workout in mind. Can't wait to see what is next.
Well I don't know if it's going to be all that, but if it unfolds the way I hope it will it should be fun.
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Yay Tom.... awesome job getting back to the 2-teens! Congrats! Looking forward to seeing how your training session went!
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Way to go back into the teens
Thanks I'm actually back to where I was last week (last Thursday even) weight-wise - 219.5. Hoping for a good day today so I can start the weekend on a good note.
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G Bicep Curls - 1x12@8kg (each hand), 1x12@16kg (both hands)
H Tricep Extensions - 1x12@8kg (each hand), 1x12@16kg (both hands)
A Clean and Jerk - This was the big surprise... My first attempt at Olympic lifting. It was a lot of fun. The majority of the workout was spent in doing technique tests to progress up to doing the full clean and jerk. We started with the short (35lb) bar for the preliminaries and some C&J's, and as we were putting the weights away, my trainer asked me if I wanted to go downstairs to continue the workout, so of course I said yes. Why? Because that's where the olympic bar lives and I couldn't resist trying the C&J on a full bar. I tried about 2 or 3 reps with 75lbs total, including the olympic bar, and found that 85lbs was the most I could reasonably manage to lift. Hella fun though - I can see why people get into it.
B T-Row - The rest of the workout was kind of anticlimactic, but still a good time. It's been a while since I've used the T-bar machine for rows, so it was good to return to it.
C Double DB Row - It's been a very long time since I've done a two DB row, and it showed. Still, a fun challenge.
D Lunges on Toes - The first set was very hard due to balance issues, but the second was markedly better. Gotta love how the body adapts.
E Hamstring Curl - A machine, but by this point I figured a one-off wouldn't hurt...
F Stairs - ...but I was wrong. I could feel my hamstrings as I was going up the stairs lol.
G Bicep Curl - Your basic kettlebell curl done in one and two hand variations.
H Triceps Extension - Again, basic extension done with kettlebell, one and two hand variations.
Overall - As I said already, a really fun workout. The time really flew when I was being taught the C&J, so the rest was kind of an add on. The next session will most likely be devoted to learning how to snatch.
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No "happy hours" makes for a lot of miserable days. - Mahler
"As far as (healthy) eating, either do it, or don't. Same issues repeated over and over is just insanity. We either commit to the endeavor or pay lip-service to it. This is the hardest part of the whole process, and it needs to be practiced more than the actual physical training. It's mind training." ~ Matt Thorne
"The reason that most people fail instead of succeed is that they trade what they want most for what they want at the moment."
Very cool and fun looking workout (in a masochistic sort of way)! BTW, trespass anytime, we appreciate your input!
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Nice workout. I bet the change of pace really made this workout feel good.
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Great job with the workout!
Thanks - yes it was quite different as it was mainly focused on learning the techniques of the clean and jerk, to the point of actually being able to do a few with the oly bar. That was cool.
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221.5 - Well this is a fine how d'ya do... Not sure why it's up so high (there's no way I could've consumed 7k calories yesterday) so I'm going to chalk it up to fluid retention. Yeah, that's it, fluid retention. The only thing I can think that was different was having a ham and cheese wrap (and 4 potato chips) at the Y Cafe, and then a 6 pc nigiri sushi dinner (3 tuna, 3 salmon). I'm thinking that the sushi had more calories than I previously thought.
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221.5 - Well this is a fine how d'ya do... Not sure why it's up so high (there's no way I could've consumed 7k calories yesterday) so I'm going to chalk it up to fluid retention. Yeah, that's it, fluid retention. The only thing I can think that was different was having a ham and cheese wrap (and 4 potato chips) at the Y Cafe, and then a 6 pc nigiri sushi dinner (3 tuna, 3 salmon). I'm thinking that the sushi had more calories than I previously thought.
Sushi Calories & Nutrition Facts I figure 180 for the salmon and 135-210 for the Tuna (depending on the fat levels of the tuna) so you're looking at 310-390 caloriewise on the Sushi. That ain't bad at all.
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Or just fluid retention. I know for myself I have been drinking gallons of water these days due to the heat. So you maybe just holding a bit of water.
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Sushi Calories & Nutrition Facts I figure 180 for the salmon and 135-210 for the Tuna (depending on the fat levels of the tuna) so you're looking at 310-390 caloriewise on the Sushi. That ain't bad at all.
Thanks guys - I'm over the initial disappointment now. I think the thing that pissed me off the most was that I was still hungry after having the sushi last night, and thought I was being good in not having anything else (apart from my usual cottage cheese before bed snack). There are worse things of course.
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Tom, did you use soy sauce? Whenever we eat sushi I suffer some bloating and added water the following morning. And, I'm often hungry again shortly after the meal. I don't know why?
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Tom, did you use soy sauce? Whenever we eat sushi I suffer some bloating and added water the following morning. And, I'm often hungry again shortly after the meal. I don't know why?
Hope you have a great weekend!
I did use soy sauce, but to my mind it was minimal. Interesting idea though... I've decided I'm not going to worry about it and see what happens on Monday.
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Ooooh, Tom, I am jealous!! I am DYING to try some O-lifts but afraid to try them without some guidance.
You'd best keep it that way Jane. Left to my own devices I'd've probably done myself an injury due to ignorance. As it was, the learning process was fun and the time sped by.
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C High Pull + Reverse Lunge/Overhead Press - 3x8@20
D Lat Pull Down - 3x8@100
E Roman Chair Leg Pushes - 5x5 (each side)
F Circuit 2x15 (Each Side)
F1 Single-Arm Incline DB Press - 35
F2 Squat - 70
F3 Single-Arm Bent Over DB Row - 35
A 45 degree Side V-Ups - A little something different to start the workout. Did ok with it I think.
B Cable Push Press - A return to this exercise after a hiatus, but this was for 15 reps, but only 2 sets.
C High Pull + Reverse Lunge/Overhead Press - I've said it before, and I'll say it again... Tim's philosophy seems to be why stand when doing an exercise when you can do a leg exercise too. This is one such example.
D Lat Pull Down - Another classic returns. Not much to say here but that the final reps were tough.
E Roman Chair Leg Pushes - These were absolutely the SUCK. It's kind of like pedaling a recumbent bike but without the bike. I had a lot of trouble getting my legs high enough so I'm not sure if it's a strength issue or a mobility issue. I might post a question in the training forum for help.
F Circuit - Nothing major to report here, other than that I did the left side first then the right (Bench (L), Squat, Row (L), Bench (R), Squat, Row (R) = 1 set).
Overall - A good workout - the Roman Chair was the challenge in this workout, and I aim to become better at using it.
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A quiet weekend this weekend, which is nice, considering I was in NYC last weekend so the change in tempo is a good thing. Not much to report, other than some things that I saw during the week that made me think. Feel free to comment as ya see fit...
I was in the cafeteria at work and was looking over the choices on offer for lunch, and noticed that a lady that I'm acquainted with (I know her to see her, and know her name, but that's it) was standing next to me. I couldn't quite be sure, but it kind of looked like she had put on weight. The reason I mention it is because I know she'd had the gastric bypass surgery, and was wondering about what happens in that case (people get the surgery, drop weight, then slowly creep back up). Makes me glad I decided to take the path I took, and I can't help but hope that I'm wrong about her gaining weight.
Another cafeteria experience - same day - I was waiting to get my lunch and another female acquaintance had ordered hers just before me. The sandwich was healthy enough (turkey I think) but she opted for a huge handful of potato chips. Now, she's taller than I am (5'10" I think?) and slim/muscular. We joked about her getting a sandwich to go with her chips and I told her if that makes her happy, then go for it. Not hurling stones at glass houses here as I've done similar stuff in the past - I guess it was just different coming from someone I'd always seen as into fitness. Not judging here - just mentioning the surprise is all.
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Bypass patients will often gain weight back if they never learn the proper way to eat in the first place. A gastric bypass is a mechanism to lose a lot of weight farily quickly if necessary and should in my opinion be considered a last resort. That being said, there are times when other options will not work quickly enough. It is sad to see these patients never learn the crux of their eating and earn the key to the kingdom of fitness. On the other hand, I know and have been around a 75ish of these patients who have lost weight, kept it off and are leading a proper lifestyle. As with anything it is entirely up to the person and how they use the tools available to them...
Keep making good decisions man, you are on the right path. Your diligence will be rewarded. Don't let the small stuff get you down. Consider all that you have achieved. It is nothing short of simply amazing!!
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I was in the cafeteria at work and was looking over the choices on offer for lunch, and noticed that a lady that I'm acquainted with (I know her to see her, and know her name, but that's it) was standing next to me. I couldn't quite be sure, but it kind of looked like she had put on weight. The reason I mention it is because I know she'd had the gastric bypass surgery, and was wondering about what happens in that case (people get the surgery, drop weight, then slowly creep back up). Makes me glad I decided to take the path I took, and I can't help but hope that I'm wrong about her gaining weight.
Tom, I just read an article about the long-term effects of gastric bypass, and the article most definitely had a negative tone to it, focusing on the side effects, the surgical risks, and the long-term health benefits. The article specifically stated that while most patients can lose something like 70% of their initial bodyweight, most gain back somewhere between 15 and 25%. I can't remember the specific percentages, but they were enough that I was pretty surprised. I've heard that many people who have bypass surgery do not undergo the necessary psychological counseling beforehand, so they never investigate the reasons for their obesity, or how to change their habits. The article was interesting; I don't know how credible it was. I believe it was in Glamour magazine.
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Bypass patients will often gain weight back if they never learn the proper way to eat in the first place. A gastric bypass is a mechanism to lose a lot of weight farily quickly if necessary and should in my opinion be considered a last resort. That being said, there are times when other options will not work quickly enough. It is sad to see these patients never learn the crux of their eating and earn the key to the kingdom of fitness. On the other hand, I know and have been around a 75ish of these patients who have lost weight, kept it off and are leading a proper lifestyle. As with anything it is entirely up to the person and how they use the tools available to them...
Keep making good decisions man, you are on the right path. Your diligence will be rewarded. Don't let the small stuff get you down. Consider all that you have achieved. It is nothing short of simply amazing!!
Newman
Thanks for the encouragement. I agree with you in that surgery should only be used as a last resort...
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Tom, I just read an article about the long-term effects of gastric bypass, and the article most definitely had a negative tone to it, focusing on the side effects, the surgical risks, and the long-term health benefits. The article specifically stated that while most patients can lose something like 70% of their initial bodyweight, most gain back somewhere between 15 and 25%. I can't remember the specific percentages, but they were enough that I was pretty surprised. I've heard that many people who have bypass surgery do not undergo the necessary psychological counseling beforehand, so they never investigate the reasons for their obesity, or how to change their habits. The article was interesting; I don't know how credible it was. I believe it was in Glamour magazine.
...and if it is, there should be some kind of pre-/post-op counseling/lifestyle management counseling sessions to treat the cause and not just the symptoms.
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There are psychological evaluations and some lifestyle management courses built into most reasonable bariatric programs. They are short and at most last something like 3-6 months. The thing to remember is that most of us got ourselves into the predicament that we are in over the course of YEARS. It takes significant dedication to change and adoption of new lifestyle habits to make the fundamental changes to be successful after surgery. I would agree with the numbers that Willie gave about weight gain and might add this thought: If some of these patients weighed 300, 400, 500, 600 lbs and have surgery and and lose 50-70% and then gain some back, I might consider that there is still some benefit to them. That being said, my previous thought still stands, nutrition and lifestyle education is often lacking and it is a last resort.
Newman
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A minor expedition today - I made some brown basmati rice for the week, and this time followed a combination of instructions to do so, and it turned out noticeably better than my previous two batches. (The first I left on heat for too long, the second I didn't rinse/soak the rice.)
This time I actually rinsed the rice 3 times (which was about when the water became clear, using new water for each rinse). Then I let it soak for about 15 minutes, and brought about 1.5 cups of water to the boil. Once the water was boiling, I drained the rice and put it into the pot and waited for the water to come to the boil again. Once it did I put the burner on low and covered the rice, setting the timer for 25 minutes. (All of this so far is from one web page.) The other critical piece (from another website) was to watch the rice and when you're able to see steam holes, turn off the burner and let the pot sit there for about another 10-15 minutes. The rice cooked pretty quickly (about 15 minutes using this method, and I left the pot, as directed for another 10. Once the timer went off I moved the pot off the burner I used, and took off the lid. Fluffed the rice and tasted it - firm but chewable texture (al dente would be the best way to describe it) and a very nice light nutty flavor. It's funny that something so straightforward still amazes me when it comes out right lol but that's one of the joys of cooking I suppose - even rice.
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No "happy hours" makes for a lot of miserable days. - Mahler
There are psychological evaluations and some lifestyle management courses built into most reasonable bariatric programs. They are short and at most last something like 3-6 months. The thing to remember is that most of us got ourselves into the predicament that we are in over the course of YEARS. It takes significant dedication to change and adoption of new lifestyle habits to make the fundamental changes to be successful after surgery. I would agree with the numbers that Willie gave about weight gain and might add this thought: If some of these patients weighed 300, 400, 500, 600 lbs and have surgery and and lose 50-70% and then gain some back, I might consider that there is still some benefit to them. That being said, my previous thought still stands, nutrition and lifestyle education is often lacking and it is a last resort.
Newman
The people in the article who cited weight gain (about 20% for both, I believe) as the only negative side effect (result?) of the surgery, both argued that it was still beneficial, and overall, a positive experience. I think one of them went from 280lbs to 105 lbs and then back up to 180lbs, and was happy and healthy. And, I believe she DID go through counseling, but said it wasn't enough to teach her how to deal with the issues that led her to eat in the first place. The focus was on teaching her how to eat post-surgery.
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The people in the article who cited weight gain (about 20% for both, I believe) as the only negative side effect (result?) of the surgery, both argued that it was still beneficial, and overall, a positive experience. I think one of them went from 280lbs to 105 lbs and then back up to 180lbs, and was happy and healthy. And, I believe she DID go through counseling, but said it wasn't enough to teach her how to deal with the issues that led her to eat in the first place. The focus was on teaching her how to eat post-surgery.
I can certainly see that. In most of my patients, myself, and just about anyone overweight/obese that I have met, there is a huge link between their psychological state and their intake. We as a society place a large emphasis on eating as reward in social setting and we do that with ourselves individually. Many social gatherings are centered on food, etc. Everything we do is done to change the way we feel and disordered eating is no doubt the base of the proverbial iceburg. In my opinion decrease/lack of physical activity is the tip of the same. You cannot have one without the other and any significant changes involve both. Eating post surgery is important and a physiologically important aspect of living s/p RNY but we as clinicians have to address all aspects of the obesity conundrum with our patients. Surgery is not a simple solution. It is not easy and requires lots of changes in order to be successful. Many view it as being an easy way out but it isn't and that is why many are not as successful as they ought to be. The system falls short and they fall short for themselves.
Newman
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218.75 - A quiet weekend, but apparently a healthy one. After the surprising upswing on Friday I was apprehensive what today would bring. Its actually brought my lowest recorded weight so far (previous was 218.825). Extra motivation to order the steamed chicken and broccoli at the chinese restaurant tonight.
ETA: Come to think of it, it's very unusual for me to be starting a week at my lowest weight...
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No "happy hours" makes for a lot of miserable days. - Mahler
218.75 - A quiet weekend, but apparently a healthy one. After the surprising upswing on Friday I was apprehensive what today would bring. Its actually brought my lowest recorded weight so far (previous was 218.825). Extra motivation to order the steamed chicken and broccoli at the chinese restaurant tonight.
ETA: Come to think of it, it's very unusual for me to be starting a week at my lowest weight...
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Congrats! Looking forward to seeing how your training session went! 
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