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Old 07-23-2008, 12:12 PM   #2761 (permalink)
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Okay now I know.. Where to find a man that cooks. In the fitness rooms! This is a little secret all Moms should pass on to their daughters.
Karla, I haven't cooked a meal since I met my husband... seriously. I am *capable* of cooking, but he likes cooking and does it much better than I ever could. It's wonderful! (So Tom, when I asked if you could make the paneer with milk, I should have added that I'll forward your response to dh )
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Old 07-23-2008, 12:22 PM   #2762 (permalink)
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here is the lamb curry

Indian Lamb Curry Recipe | Recipezaar

like the dish you made, watch the spices the first time. The next day the heat level is much greater. Still worth making.

Thanks for the spinach recipe. That was exactly what I was looking for.
Thanks for the recipe. I'll give it a go. It looks like the heat is optional since the green chile is optional. Is there any other heat source that I missed?

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I think that people who are into fitness have a more extreme relationship with food rather than other folks. Food as fuel is one camp, and the foodie camp is the other.

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Was laughing at this! The Little Prince is my all-time favorite story!

Do you think the Paneer Recipe (my all-time favorite Indian food) can be made with milk instead of cream? Have you tried it?
I've not tried the recipe yet, I've just saved it in my Indian cookbook on Recipezaar for later.

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Karla, I haven't cooked a meal since I met my husband... seriously. I am *capable* of cooking, but he likes cooking and does it much better than I ever could. It's wonderful! (So Tom, when I asked if you could make the paneer with milk, I should have added that I'll forward your response to dh )
I'd say the only real way to know is to try it and see what happens. Are you talking about making the palak paneer or the paneer itself?

ETA: If you're talking about the palak paneer, some of the recipe reviewers mention having success with fat free half and half instead of the heavy cream.
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Thanks for the recipe. I'll give it a go. It looks like the heat is optional since the green chile is optional. Is there any other heat source that I missed?



I think that people who are into fitness have a more extreme relationship with food rather than other folks. Food as fuel is one camp, and the foodie camp is the other.



I've not tried the recipe yet, I've just saved it in my Indian cookbook on Recipezaar for later.



I'd say the only real way to know is to try it and see what happens. Are you talking about making the palak paneer or the paneer itself?

ETA: If you're talking about the palak paneer, some of the recipe reviewers mention having success with fat free half and half instead of the heavy cream.
DH is definitely a "foodie" who considers food to be his fuel for workouts. He's changed the way I look at food, and now I have a much healthier view ... or, rather, a more conflict-free relationship.

Tom, I would eat palak -- the spinach-- every day for the rest of my life, if I could justify it. I LOVE it, but can't seem to get past the grease that floats on top of it when we get it at our local Indian joint. I'm thinking DH will actually make it with chicken rather than paneer, and we'll look into the fat free half and half.
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Thanks for the recipe. I'll give it a go. It looks like the heat is optional since the green chile is optional. Is there any other heat source that I missed?
I like really spicy foods, so I added the peppers. The other thing is the whole peppercorns. See they don't have you strain it, so you get these softened peppercorns along with the cloves. I actually picked some of them out though. The other thing is the cayenne which is optional. But from my Indian friend its a must to get the spice level up.
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DH is definitely a "foodie" who considers food to be his fuel for workouts. He's changed the way I look at food, and now I have a much healthier view ... or, rather, a more conflict-free relationship.

Tom, I would eat palak -- the spinach-- every day for the rest of my life, if I could justify it. I LOVE it, but can't seem to get past the grease that floats on top of it when we get it at our local Indian joint. I'm thinking DH will actually make it with chicken rather than paneer, and we'll look into the fat free half and half.
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Try this recipe then - Saag Aloo. I have made it before and it was very tasty indeed.

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I like really spicy foods, so I added the peppers. The other thing is the whole peppercorns. See they don't have you strain it, so you get these softened peppercorns along with the cloves. I actually picked some of them out though. The other thing is the cayenne which is optional. But from my Indian friend its a must to get the spice level up.
Not surprised - when I went to the Indian grocery store here, the guy working there said he'd made food for his American friends and they were crying because it was so hot.
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I feel like I should say "Hey look, a workout!" - Went to spinning class today on my bizarro world schedule. I normally strength train Sat, Mon, Wed and spin Tu/Thur, but this week it's Sun, Tue, Thurs, with spinning Mon/Wed. It was a good class - different from the way the night class is run, and of course change is good. To supplement my workout minutes (for the corporate gym's challenge) I walked on the treadmill for 20 minutes to bring my total working out time to an hour. My legs are tired, but they have been all week it seems. Thankfully, Friday's my rest day so I just need to get through tomorrow's strength training to enjoy it.
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I saw a how to video for making palak paneer, and they said using milk was fine. One of the presenters said she used 2% and it was just fine.
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I really want to get to a spinning class at my gym. It sounds like an exhausing fun.
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So go do it. What ya waiting for? As we've always been told, it's YOUR ride. Nobody knows how much gear you have on, and you do what you can.
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222.25 - Back up today, but that's probably standard weight fluctuation (or maybe payback for Monday's mu shu pork?) so I'm not going to sweat it. Here's why - I was idly going over my weight spreadsheet, and decided to measure the differences in beginning and ending 5 day average weights for the last three months. Here's what I came up with:

May 235.7 to 231.45 (3.7 lbs)
June 232.45 to 231.15 (2.8 lbs)
July 230.25 to 222.45 (7.1 lbs)

So assuming July ended today, my weight loss would be approaching double what it was in May and in June. (Also, I know I had more beer in June, is why the boa's swalllowing the elephant.) Granted, I had a huge whoosh at the beginning of July, but I think the weight loss trend is following through as well. Bottom line though I think that my progress was certainly slowed down by happy hour, which gives me something to think about going forward.
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Yup, I'd be interested in the lamb curry. Here's a recipe for palak paneer I've got saved, but yet to try.
The recipe link says there is no substitute for the panir cheese, but surely something else can work in its place? Any suggestions?
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you can make paneer cheese ( see here ) - except for the 2nd boil it reads very much like making fresh ricotta - so you might substitute a very fresh ricotta if you don't want to make paneer.
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you can make paneer cheese ( see here ) - except for the 2nd boil it reads very much like making fresh ricotta - so you might substitute a very fresh ricotta if you don't want to make paneer.
I think one of the palak paneer recipe reviewers mentions substituting ricotta, where it mixes in more with the spinach rather than remains in cube form like paneer would. The same reviewer also reports success with feta, so I'm guessing just about any crumbly cheese (like gorgonzola?) would work. I think I also remember a video where they talk about using cottage cheese.
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Solid weight loss! Little by little your reaching those goals. Great job.
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AMRAP, 1 Minute per exercise, rest at end of circuit and as needed within the circuit. All Exercises except A6 were done with a 30 lb dumbbell.

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A1 Goblet Squat - These didn't tire me out quite as much as they did before, but it was still a struggle toward the end of the last time through.

A2 Core Twist - I should work on pivoting my feet more to fully face the direction I should be going in.

A3 Arm Curls - Had to catch myself once or twice using the hips, but was ok otherwise.

A4 One Arm Swings (30 Secs per arm) - Still prefer this with kettlebells.

A5 Half Squat with Overhead Press - A little more doable, but still a challenge.

A6 Curl-ups (no weight) - No perceptible change here. Again.

A7 Core Push Press - I was kind of lucky to make it to 12 on one or two of the sets.

A8 Squat with Upright Row (30 Secs per arm) - Once again, form is the primary concern with this exercise.

A9 Row (30 Secs per arm) - Need to be sure to get the weight as far back as I can, but otherwise these went pretty ok.

Overall - A good workout, but not as draining as it once was. I may just be getting a handle on it, which means of course it's time to change things up. Also put in 25 minutes of walking on the treadmill to put in an hour for the gym's challenge.
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Thought I'd put this together so you can see a couple of the exercises that I'm doing in my program. As you can no doubt tell this is in the basement, and the first video I've ever done, so be gentle lol.
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Thought I'd put this together so you can see a couple of the exercises that I'm doing in my program. As you can no doubt tell this is in the basement, and the first video I've ever done, so be gentle lol.
Rats! Video "no longer available" -- did you get banned already??
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Rats! Video "no longer available" -- did you get banned already??
Hmm, let me check something real quick.

ETA: Ok, try it now...
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ETA: Ok, try it now...
Works now. Looks good -- But I was expecting a classical soundtrack!!
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Works now. Looks good -- But I was expecting a classical soundtrack!!
Heh first video remember? lol I was lucky to be able to edit the clips together and get it out on Youtube.
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221.75 - Not a bad way to end a week to be sure. I think this was the last full week of abstinence, as next Friday is August 1st.
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Nice going, Tom. Ain't progress grand?
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Good job on the video. The push press looks like they would be a challenge for sure. So once July is up are you going to limit your beer intake at all?
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Thanks - I did them with the 30lb dumbbell - the weight I actually train with, so yes, those grimaces are real lol. As for the beer, I'm not sure - this month has certainly given me food for thought in terms of progress and the time it takes to getting things done. I know I can't really indulge in it like I did as it arrests progress so much, but on the other hand, I'd like to be able to include it in at least some way as a cheat. Thinking about it as a dessert seems to help - it's not drinking for an entire night, but a single serving of something to be savored.

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I had pledged to be alcohol (well, beer and wine, since that's all the alcohol I drink) free in July, to see what that did to my progress. Based on the numbers I'm compiling, I'm finding that my progress was significantly better without happy hours as I had been participating in them. A middle ground can and should be achievable.

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Heh thanks - It actually was pretty easy, but I'm going to adjust the lighting, and maybe (as lawyerjoke suggested) tack on a classical soundtrack to future editions. I just thought I'd let you see what interesting stuff Tim has me doing - and that having video makes things a lot more clear.
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I think that would be a good thing. Like maybe only having 2 12oz bottles a week or something like that. At least maybe for a few weeks and see how it works with your weight loss goals.
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A Core Push Press + Goblet Squats - This is basically the core push press as I did it in the video, except that I do a goblet squat before each press. Not bad, but then again I didn't do 6 exercises before it either.

B Assisted Pull-up - Did pretty well with this one I thought, but that might be due to lower bodyweight.

C1 Front Squat + High Pull - This was A8 in the last workout I had, again, very different in this context.

C2 Front Squat + Lateral Raise - Done with a much lighter weight here. Tim said that he's trying to get me more shoulder work so as to help get a V taper to my back. This kind of surprised me as I wasn't used to venturing beyond the letter O.

D1 Push-ups - A classic returns. It's been a while since I did these and I was pretty surprised at how well I did them. Tim even complimented me on them, saying they were crisp with a much better range of motion. Although my left shoulder is a little tweaked, it's not really an issue, so I think it is FINALLY healing.

D2 Rows - Your basic bent-over row. Again, in this context, pretty good. The ordering here is 1 set of pushups, 1 set of rows (L), 1 set of pushups, 1 set of rows (R) - that's one time through the superset.

Overall - Felt good doing this workout, and to be free of the metabolic work for a while. I have a couple of optional exercises (TGU and Swings) if i want to insert those at the beginning of the workout, which I probably will. Also, if I do this workout at home, I'll sub in the kb pullover for the pull-ups. As a side note, Tim said I was looking leaner, so another sign that dropping the beer was a good thing to do. Very happy with the workout, and since I took a nap afterwards, I feel great.
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I should also add that I ordered a 20kg kettlebell in expectation of doing some of this workout at home.
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