My NROL Experience - Page 23 - JP Fitness Forums

stingo · 10-04-2007, 10:25 AM

Hmm so I guess I don't have to feel bad about having smoked sausage and smoked cheddar cheese for breakfast this morning...

Lost Dog · 10-04-2007, 10:30 AM

Nope. Unless it came with a side of potato or toast.

stingo · 10-04-2007, 11:10 AM

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Nope. Unless it came with a side of potato or toast.

Heh well it almost came with a side of french bread, but I left that at home.

L'ilJ · 10-04-2007, 01:34 PM

Tom - I think the TNT diet is an excellent choice! Can't wait to see how things go for you!!!!

stingo · 10-04-2007, 02:20 PM

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Tom - I think the TNT diet is an excellent choice! Can't wait to see how things go for you!!!!

Thanks

I'm interested to find out too. I was thinking I picked up a great book for my workouts (NROL) why shouldn't I do the same for my food plan (TNT). Obviously my old food plan was great enough to last me a couple of years, but it's time for a change. (And as NROL says, nothing works forever.) I should have the book in my hands tonight and I'm very interested in reading it.

Lost Dog · 10-04-2007, 02:22 PM

BTW, the TNT book has workouts by Alwyn, too. Gives you some options to change things up, workout-wise.

L'ilJ · 10-04-2007, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by stingo

Thanks

I'm interested to find out too. I was thinking I picked up a great book for my workouts (NROL) why shouldn't I do the same for my food plan (TNT). Obviously my old food plan was great enough to last me a couple of years, but it's time for a change. (And as NROL says, nothing works forever.) I should have the book in my hands tonight and I'm very interested in reading it.

Hey, you're in the big leagues now! You're getting much closer to your goal weight and that makes it much harder to lose.

stingo · 10-04-2007, 02:30 PM

I went through my new program (NROL's Hypertrophy I) with the woman who runs the corporate gym. It should be an interesting workout - she was even saying how she wanted to see me go through it. (She also suggested taking her Core Control class on Thursdays.) We went through each exercise to determine proper starting weights and went over form issues and other things. This will be different for me in the sense that rather than doing unrelated muscle groups I believe the hypertrophy programs target mirrored muscle groups (e.g., bench presses supersetted with cable rows) with one notable exception (bulgarian split squats and step ups).

I also had her do measurements and bf% with calipers so I can have a really good "before" profile.

It's funny even with that small workout I feel so much better mentally and physically.

stingo · 10-04-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lost Dog

BTW, the TNT book has workouts by Alwyn, too. Gives you some options to change things up, workout-wise.

Ohhh I didn't know that - very interesting indeed.

Espi · 10-04-2007, 03:03 PM

Refresh my memory please. I understand it's a low-carb diet, but how low carb is it really? Very low or with added carbs around workouts just like I do myself? I'm not particularly liking extreme low carb diets anymore. I'd just get too wired of it, and be unable to sleep as well as getting tingling arms.
I do lose fat much more easily on low carbs but have found that my cut-off point is at around 125-150g on average. Going lower than 125g/day makes me go into a feeding frenzy as I'm on the edge of getting overtrained.

But others have far less problems with getting really low (= below 100g). You just never know until you've tried it.
As for getting in more fats: I'm loving shredded coconut and there seems to be a flavoured coconut butter/oil too. Walnuts, pistachio nuts and almonds are also excellent choices.
Back in the very low carb days I used to eat fried eggs w smoked salmon every single morning

Lost Dog · 10-04-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Espi

Refresh my memory please. I understand it's a low-carb diet, but how low carb is it really? Very low or with added carbs around workouts just like I do myself? I'm not particularly liking extreme low carb diets anymore. I'd just get too wired of it, and be unable to sleep as well as getting tingling arms.
I do lose fat much more easily on low carbs but have found that my cut-off point is at around 125-150g on average. Going lower than 125g/day makes me go into a feeding frenzy as I'm on the edge of getting overtrained.

But others have far less problems with getting really low (= below 100g). You just never know until you've tried it.
As for getting in more fats: I'm loving shredded coconut and there seems to be a flavoured coconut butter/oil too. Walnuts, pistachio nuts and almonds are also excellent choices.
Back in the very low carb days I used to eat fried eggs w smoked salmon every single morning

The first four weeks, TNT advises you to go for protein, plenty of fat, and mostly green, fibrous veggies. No starchy carbs, no fruits, no milk, etc.

After four weeks, there are a variety of plans to choose from. You can continue on like that, choose a plan that allow carbs in and around the workout, a plan that allows carbs one day of the week. Then there are two carb days, one or two plus, pwo nutrition, etc. The choice depends on your goals, how fast you want to lose, how much freedom you want to eat "fun" foods, plus your continued progress.

On Plan A (the intro portion), 80-100g of carbs was pretty common for me. Not net carbs. I didn't really track my fiber. But, you can eat pretty much all the veggies you want. Then later, you get fruit and some starch carbs.

Espi · 10-04-2007, 04:55 PM

That's for when you've transitioned right? 80-100g is very doable unless you do very poorly on too few carbs.

Lost Dog · 10-04-2007, 05:04 PM

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That's for when you've transitioned right? 80-100g is very doable unless you do very poorly on too few carbs.

Not sure what you mean. The first four weeks was 80-100, then on low carb days of the week (6 of them) I also was in the 80-100 range.
On my "after four weeks of Plan A" plan, I went with the one day of carb freedom plan. I didn't track those... they would be high, high, high, I'm guessing.

Espi · 10-04-2007, 05:29 PM

Oh, I thought the 80-100 g of carbs was after the first 4 weeks. If this is for the first 4 weeks, it's pretty easy. Though actually I keep forgettting you Merkans don't subtract fiber carbs automatically like we do.

Lost Dog · 10-04-2007, 08:22 PM

Yeah. I don't think it's all that low. I'm really low today, because I'm out of veggies. I got sidetracked on the way to the market, last night... So, it looks like around 58, today. 11 of them are fiber.

I don't think it's worth the trouble to count fiber, net carbs, etc.

I get it. You might be aiming for 75g net carbs, so it's important to count those 25g of fiber when you eat 90g of carbs, but if you eat the right foods and shoot for around 90g of C, it should work out to about the same thing.

stingo · 10-04-2007, 10:44 PM

Well read over the book tonight. I really like the way it's written and presented. It's going to take some doing to get out of the Fat = BAD mode of thinking, and also to exercise more control on food intake. I particularly like the fact that recipes are included - at least to give an idea of where and how to start. I hope to try the chicken curry this weekend. I'm also excited about the prospect of having cheese - real cheese - again. I really enjoyed that smoked cheddar/smoked sausage combo, and can't wait to find out others. That said, it's also good to have a list of foods that are good for each zone. Naturally I'll be on Plan A for a while, and see where that takes me. Now I have to get rid of all the carb foods I have remaining in my kitchen - breads, potatoes, oatmeal, etc.