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ParanoidAndroid · 10-07-2007, 03:12 PM

315x1. I'll probably tape my squats later this week, too.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LCj2CHNCnyo

Kevin T. · 10-07-2007, 03:26 PM

Nice deads. The second vid doesn't show much but your speed looked pretty good. Keep it up bro!

As an aside, thoughts on deadlifting for high reps, anyone? I think the most I'd like to do would be 5 because after that either form can go to hell, or the weight is too light to be effective, imo. Discuss.

ParanoidAndroid · 10-07-2007, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin T.

Nice deads. The second vid doesn't show much but your speed looked pretty good. Keep it up bro!

As an aside, thoughts on deadlifting for high reps, anyone? I think the most I'd like to do would be 5 because after that either form can go to hell, or the weight is too light to be effective, imo. Discuss.

I agree with you about low reps for deads. 6 reps the most I'll usually do. I did 8, just because I wanted an "easy" set. They didn't feel too bad, though--I got into a nice groove.

Alcoholiday · 10-07-2007, 11:02 PM

you could have gotten 2 reps on 315. Just focus on bar speed off the floor. Think about pulling fast off the floor.

I found that when i pull slower, i stall at the knees. But when i pull fast and hard off the floor, the speed will carry through, and i can lockout.

Not a multiple sets with higher reps. One set of high reps can be beneficial. I really like sets of 3 though. They build hypertrophy, and let you build strength a lot faster than singles.

Frank.S · 10-07-2007, 11:45 PM

I like sets of one usually

Nice work Pa.

Simon C · 10-08-2007, 01:26 AM

you didn't even look like you were straining or anything, go for a triple next time!

ParanoidAndroid · 10-08-2007, 05:16 AM

thanks guys

the 315 was weird--after rep 1, I kept pulling and pulling, but it wouldn't budge. odd.

Alcoholiday · 10-08-2007, 10:51 AM

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thanks guys

the 315 was weird--after rep 1, I kept pulling and pulling, but it wouldn't budge. odd.

bah! you didn't pull that hard!

you should see one of the dudes i work out with at chad's. You watch him, and he pulls the bar like 3 times, and it doesn't move, and then he pulls the 4th time, and somehow completes the lift. Weirdest thing i've ever seen.

Lisa~ · 10-08-2007, 01:15 PM

Nice deads Josh. I wouldn't go so far as to say that the set of 275 looked easy. I thought it looked just about right if you're gonna do 8 reps. You stopped right when you should too. You couldn't maintain back position on reps 7 and 8 (and you knew it cause you said it yourself). Not every time, but on some reps you let your hips raise faster than your shoulders (it's easiest to see on rep 4). On those reps you're not fully engaging your glutes from the beginning of the pull. On the 315 pull I can see your hips go up first, even from that front angle. There's no way to know what's happening with your low back, but I bet it wasn't as tight as you'd like. Don't change anything in your deadlift training except your focus during the lift. Contract your glutes/hamstrings before the plates come off the floor and drive your heels into the floor to begin the pull.

Kevin, I dislike high rep deads too. If I want to get above 5 or 6 reps I'll usually move to RDLs. I've done 8's, but I like lower reps better.

RacerBill · 10-08-2007, 01:39 PM

Great analysis, Lisa. I went back and watched the vids again with your comments in mind, and learned a lot. (And thanks for posting the vids, Josh -- nice work.)

I've heard so many professional trainers say that they don't like high rep DLs, but they're in both Ian King and Alwyn Cosgrove plans. In my own experience with them, I've never felt like I got through a 12 or 15 rep set with perfect form, but I don't really feel I have the expertise to second-guess them and redesign the program.

Lisa~ · 10-08-2007, 02:00 PM

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Great analysis, Lisa. I went back and watched the vids again with your comments in mind, and learned a lot. (And thanks for posting the vids, Josh -- nice work.)

I've heard so many professional trainers say that they don't like high rep DLs, but they're in both Ian King and Alwyn Cosgrove plans. In my own experience with them, I've never felt like I got through a 12 or 15 rep set with perfect form, but I don't really feel I have the expertise to second-guess them and redesign the program.

Glad you learned something.

It may look pretty arrogant of me to disagree with someone like Alwyn, but I do. I'd never put 20-rep anything in any program and I'd never put high rep conventional deads in any program either. He mainly uses them in the fat loss programs I think, but I'd use another dead variation. I HATE high rep conventional deads. And if you're training for strength then high rep conv deads make no sense to me. Use accessory movements for your higher rep stuff.

ParanoidAndroid · 10-08-2007, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisa~

Nice deads Josh. I wouldn't go so far as to say that the set of 275 looked easy. I thought it looked just about right if you're gonna do 8 reps. You stopped right when you should too. You couldn't maintain back position on reps 7 and 8 (and you knew it cause you said it yourself). Not every time, but on some reps you let your hips raise faster than your shoulders (it's easiest to see on rep 4). On those reps you're not fully engaging your glutes from the beginning of the pull. On the 315 pull I can see your hips go up first, even from that front angle. There's no way to know what's happening with your low back, but I bet it wasn't as tight as you'd like. Don't change anything in your deadlift training except your focus during the lift. Contract your glutes/hamstrings before the plates come off the floor and drive your heels into the floor to begin the pull.

Kevin, I dislike high rep deads too. If I want to get above 5 or 6 reps I'll usually move to RDLs. I've done 8's, but I like lower reps better.

Wow, thanks for the analysis! Next time I'll tape 315 from the side.

bigDman · 10-08-2007, 03:35 PM

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315x1. I'll probably tape my squats later this week, too.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LCj2CHNCnyo

step 1: take of the duke lacrosse shirt and burn it
step 2: keep your ass down
step 3: Keep your chest up

ParanoidAndroid · 10-08-2007, 07:23 PM

10.08.07
Push Day

DB Bench Press-90 sec rest
1x8x75e-PR
1x6x75e
1x5x75e
1x9x65e

Push-Up-60 sec rest
1x10xBW+35
1x5xBW+35
1x6exBW-one hand on medicine ball

Military Press-90 sec rest
1x6x95
1x4x95
1x4x95-push press
^

Scott Press-60 sec rest
1x12x35e
1x5x35e
1x9x30e
1x12x25e
^up reps

Skull Crushers-60 sec rest
1x12x55 +reps
1x10x55
1x7x55

V-bar tricep extension-30 sec rest
2x12x8 plates
1x12x7 plates

Comments:
-swamped with school work, so I moved at a pretty good pace this workout. Pretty satisfied with it.

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step 1: take of the duke lacrosse shirt and burn it

I'm pretty sure the duke team was exonerated?

bigDman · 10-08-2007, 08:18 PM

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I'm pretty sure the duke team was exonerated?

nope they were found innocent. The strippers were just trying to get money. The duke team was suspended for one season but that was while the case was under investigation

ParanoidAndroid · 10-08-2007, 08:25 PM

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nope they were found innocent. The strippers were just trying to get money. The duke team was suspended for one season but that was while the case was under investigation

uh..that's what exonerated means--to be found innocent or free from guilt.

ParanoidAndroid · 10-09-2007, 06:25 PM

no workout today--absolutely swamped with work. I MIGHT be able to get in a workout tomorrow, it may just have to wait till thursday.