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Bill Hartman · 01-29-2004, 10:37 PM

www.yourgolffitnesscoach.com has a new look!

Check it out!

Bill, YGFC

Jean-Paul · 01-30-2004, 11:54 AM

I like... I like!

Kaiser · 01-31-2004, 03:53 PM

I've always wondered...what if you are in great shape, have a strong core, lift regularly, but just suck at golf? [img]smile.gif[/img]

I'd love to be able to hit in the low 90s again

but I was told by a pro that it would require hitting the range twice a week and at least 9 holes once a week. Well, if I could actually get out and play once a week, then I'd shoot for something better than a 90!

What I'm saying is, Bill, can you make me into a respectable golfer if I just don't want to work at it.

I'm certainly willing to sit on the couch and visualize all you need me to.

[img]smile.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]

PS: Site looks good. Seriously.

Bill Hartman · 01-31-2004, 05:48 PM

You bring up a good point that many folks just don't understand when they come to me or any fitness professional.

It's your golf skills that make you a great golfer...period (pro golfers prove that every weekend). What the conditioning side does is improve the abilities that underlie the skills and make you more teachable. Improving things like drive distance aside, it allows them to perform at their best more consistently.

The same goes for football players. Sure great conditioning contributes, but it is great skills and genetic gifts that create the great players. The physical preparation allow them to play great each play.

That in mind I suggest you buy the best equipment you can buy, dress like a pro golfer, and brag about how you won $100 off of Jack Nicklaus on a bet over a 35 foot putt. It works every time and beats practicing.

Bill

P.S. thanks for taking a peek at my site and the kind words.

poopy pants · 01-31-2004, 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by Kaiser:
I've always wondered...what if you are in great shape, have a strong core, lift regularly, but just suck at golf? [img]smile.gif[/img]

Then you would be me.

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I'd love to be able to hit in the low 90s again [img]smile.gif[/img]

Is that on the first or last 9 holes

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Well, if I could actually get out and play once a week, then I'd shoot for something better than a 90!

Stop posting in the Politics Forum and you will have PLENTY of time.

russ · 02-02-2004, 10:53 AM

One suggestion:
David Duvall had a nice run five years ago and his conditionning was surely a part of the reason. However, he can no longer break 80 in tournament play

It might be an idea to find a player other than Duvall who has benefited from strength training for the main page [img]smile.gif[/img]

Bill Hartman · 02-02-2004, 11:05 AM

Good call Russ...been a while since I read my own copy.

Bill

russ · 02-02-2004, 11:44 AM

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Good call Russ...been a while since I read my own copy.

Maybe you could add some psychological counselling services to your offerings---that's what poor Duvall really needs [img]tongue.gif[/img] Mind you, he earned enough $$ from both golf and endoresements during his hot streak to last a lifetime

02-02-2004, 12:22 PM

Didn't DuVall cite his improved strength on reduced fatigue? not in an improved game. Personally, I suppose yoga or pilates would be better as shoulder rotation is a primary element in distance..and I'm not sure of a huge correlary between hand speed and strength..I guess that is why these 120 pound 13 year olds are driving it 290 when most guys with strong wrists and forearms still can't.
oh..
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I'm a marshall holding a 'quiet' sign by a green, just don't know which one yet. I tried to be the guy that carried the sign with the score with the foursome but got nixed on that one..

poopy pants · 02-02-2004, 12:28 PM

...he knows politics

...he knows golf

...is there anything you DON'T know

[img]tongue.gif[/img]

02-02-2004, 12:31 PM

yeah, much of anything else

I'm not a phenomenal golfer..shoot in the low 80's ..but my dad is a 4 handicap. See he made the wise decision growing up to be a golfer..but somehow he let his only son decide that he would use Oakland Hills for its pool and become a swimmer..a very wonderful sport for social settings, work etc. I love asking clients if they want to hit the pool for some laps..

02-02-2004, 12:38 PM

Tony, I should have added the following to my 'strengths of knowledge'

80's WWF Wrestling
The A-Team trivia
U.S. Civil War
and
Detroit Tigers baseball

I agree Tiger's (flipping back to golf) strength is huge, but is that the reason for his technically perfect swing? He generates all his power from is swing speed..take a guy like Ernie Els who admits to NEVER working out..I'm not sure that working out would have any bearing on his golf game..but he did admit on the Jim Rome show that he was a 3 handicap at 13. How strong could he have been then? Or how about Michelle Wie? A 13 year old GIRL hitting it almost 300...she can outdrive nearly ever lifter on this board I imagine!

Also, Tiger sucks..guy hasn't won a major in a year! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

As a conclusion..
Mr. Hartman, that wasn't really a comment about your site which I looked at..It looks great and I see on there you talk about flexibility and such..more just an aside that I'm not sure training MY core or getting stronger has improved my game at all...that can best be explained by my abundance of two and three putt greens

russ · 02-02-2004, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by erowan:
Tony, I should have added the following to my 'strengths of knowledge'

80's WWF Wrestling
The A-Team trivia
U.S. Civil War
and
Detroit Tigers baseball

I agree Tiger's (flipping back to golf) strength is huge, but is that the reason for his technically perfect swing? He generates all his power from is swing speed..take a guy like Ernie Els who admits to NEVER working out..I'm not sure that working out would have any bearing on his golf game..but he did admit on the Jim Rome show that he was a 3 handicap at 13. How strong could he have been then? Or how about Michelle Wie? A 13 year old GIRL hitting it almost 300...she can outdrive nearly ever lifter on this board I imagine!
Again, if strength were the end all be all 13 year olds wouldn't be winning..
Also, Tiger sucks..guy hasn't won a major in a year! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Detroit Tigers trivia:

How many games did the Tigers win in 2003?

You'd be better off to start following the Red Wings [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Awesome that you scored Ryder Cup tickets.

Bill Hartman · 02-02-2004, 12:47 PM

Yoga, pilates, and the many combinations of the two (yoga-lates???) neglect the dominant neurologic component of flexibility which is associated with strength (flexibility-strength) at end range of motion at normal sports speed (flexibility-speed).

While someone may demonstrate "full" range of motion during slower, controlled activities like yoga, motion can often be quite abbreviated during dynamic sport.

Also of note, reduced fatigue certainly improves performance allowing an athlete, in this case a golfer, to perform at optimal levels throughout a round.

There is also a component of flexibility associated with fatigue which will reduce dynamic range of motion. You see it quite a bit with golfers late in a round and with starting baseball pitchers as the game progresses.

You are correct that speed and strength have a low correlation, however, relative strength is foundational to all other forms of force production. Speed is more dependent on the function of the tendon's compliance/elasticity, but also requires a strong contraction (isometric) of the muscle otherwise the force is dampened.

Quite often a golfer will adopt a strength training program and see immediate benefits from an improved ability to generate force, and then a decline in performance due to changes in tendon stiffness. Most programs don't address such adaptations.

Bill

02-02-2004, 12:53 PM

that would be 43 and 119..because of course we went on a 5 game winning streak at the end of the season to prevent us from getting the record..
I am a wings fan..but only participate in fantasy basketball, baseball, football, and golf leagues on yahoo..

Since you're a canadian, The Can-Am connection..1993 tag team champions...the Z-man Tom Zenk and Rick Martel
and the Canadian stongman? Dino Bravo..who did 'set the bench press world record' on national TV! ahahah..man, the 80's were a good time!

Edit:
In response to Mr. Hartman..
All you points are right on and it seems as though your program is very encompassing..I'm sure you find it especially helpful for those who weren't playing since age 5 as it seems many have developed great swings that allow shoulder rotation etc. God knows my mom who took the sport up later, or Tony S. probably need all your help and more to improve their shoulder turn, and hand speed!

02-02-2004, 01:06 PM

Great! Now I've found another website to help consume my day..
I like these articles by Tim Tague..I'm practicing my swing in my cubicle!

Bill Hartman · 02-02-2004, 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by erowan:

..take a guy like Ernie Els who admits to NEVER working out..I'm not sure that working out would have any bearing on his golf game..

Funny you should say that...Ernie and his trainer put out a golf fitness book a year or two ago(it sucked by the way).

Golf skill, like any sports skill, will alway reign supreme in the world of sport. We also know through research and experience that a properly prepared athlete performs at higher levels and performs more consistently.

Bill

02-02-2004, 01:14 PM

no disagreement on that! DuVal IS a great example..he did it for the stamina, consistency etc..all I was saying was that it wasn't necessarily for power..thats all..

I didn't realize Els did that..can't believe he'd have the nerve to come out with a golf fitness book! The hypocrite! He just has the most perfect swing today in my estimation..although Retief Goosen's looks so similar, I guess maybe the coaches in Zimbabwe are doing a good job!

Bill Hartman · 02-02-2004, 01:23 PM

An example I always use is Jason "Golfzilla" Zubak, powerlifter turned long-drive champ.

The guys supposedly squatted over 700 pounds at one time which is probably 3 times more than anyone on the tour, but he doesn't hit the golf ball 3 times farther. John Daly can squat about 15 beers. The difference...golf skill(?) and the ability (genetic??) to utilize his elastic component to incredibly high levels.

Bill