I previously started BOM intermediate and only made my way half through before taking an 6 month break due to laziness and school. I was impressed with the program enough that I have decided to start it again, and hopefully make my way through it.
My question/concern is, I have never seen a picture of Ian King and his own personal results. They say that you should never judge a book by it's cover, but in the world of strength training, I am not sure I agree with that. Can anyone direct me to a pic?
i dont think ian king is a big dude actually but it doesnt mean anything,you can be a etcomorph and have extreme power,big isnt everything!i think there is a picture of him on his site www.getbuffed.net its on the home page i think!hope this helped!
Ian King looks like he could break any of us in half!
He's not a monster, but he's a former champion powerlifter (he set national records in New Zealand in his teens or early 20s). Now, in his mid-40s, he still looks strong as hell.
Plus, he's a lifetime drug-free lifter. He doesn't look like a bodybuilder -- he told me once he likes to eat more than he likes to walk around shredded -- but you can't possibly look at him and not see a strong, powerful dude.
You can order his videos and see him demonstrating exercises, if you need to see the man in action.
As for judging the book by the cover, here's a section of my book, The New Rules of Lifting.
(The book comes out in December; I'm just finishing the final revisions now.)
New rule #10: Don’t judge a system by the physique of the person promoting it.
Even if you could find someone with a great build, and prove that he indeed had more success with the system he now promotes than with any other, you still don’t know anything useful about that system. All you know is that it worked for him.
As a fitness professional, I can’t tell you how depressing it is when someone judges your knowledge by the size of your arms. Granted, I’d have my doubts about a fitness expert who clearly wasn’t in shape, since there’s both an art and a science to training. You’d hope the guy designing your program or dispensing advice genuinely loves to lift, and knows from his own experience how exercises are supposed to feel.
But in a universe in which most of the practitioners are in at least decent shape, it’s pointless to pick the guy who’s in the best shape and decide he must be the most knowledgeable.
It may mean he has the best genetics, or the most discipline, or the most time and energy. But it absolutely does not mean he knows more than the guy with smaller arms or a weaker bench press.
This is yet another way in which modern bodybuilding has polluted the conversation about fitness in general, and strength training in particular.
The original twentieth-century bodybuilders were strength and power athletes. Take John Grimek, one of the real legends of the bodybuilding world: The man not only had the best physique of the 1940s, he was one of the strongest men of his time. He competed on the U.S. Olympic weightlifting team in 1936, and at one time held the American and world records for the military press.
He wasn’t a natural for Olympic lifting -- he was much better at slower lifts -- but his strength is astounding at any speed. Here’s an anecdote, recorded in John Fair’s Muscletown USA:
In 1940, in an exhibition in San Francisco, Grimek was challenged by a local strongman, a Norwegian fisherman. The local picked up a 240-pound barbell from the floor with a palms-up grip, curled it to his shoulders, then pressed it overhead. (Nifty thing to know: the reverse-grip shoulder press is called a continental press.)
Despite the fact he’d never lifted weights that heavy with that grip, Grimek matched him. The contest ended when Grimek curled and continental-pressed 280; the Norwegian tried it, but failed.
Grimek was a normal-size man: 5 feet, 9 inches, probably between 180 and 185 pounds. (At about that same time, he competed in weightlifting contests at 181 pounds.)
I don’t want to violate New Rule #10 and pretend anyone can look like Grimek or gain that kind of strength by doing his routine. The man may very well have had the best genetic combination for strength, muscle mass, and low body fat in the history of the world.
I just want to make the point that he wasn’t a bodybuilder in the modern sense -- he didn’t spend hours in the gym strapped into muscle-isolating machines (they didn’t even exist back then), or make sure he was sitting down with his back braced before he attempted heavy shoulder presses. He lifted the way everyone lifted back then -- floor to ceiling. The weights usually started on the floor, and often ended up overhead.
And yet, he managed to become the best-built man of his time.
I worked on it with Alwyn Cosgrove. Alwyn designed all the workouts and weighed in on every topic.
It should definitely be available for shipping at Christmas. I'm not sure the exact date of release, but if the catalogue says "December," it should be ready early in the month. (Maybe it'll be out by Thanksgiving!)
BTW, if you like this little excerpt, you'll love the rest of the book. Every section of every chapter has information like that. I tried to make the entire thing as counterintuitive as possible (justifying the word "new" in the title).
i have done ian kings programs limping and super strenght,i liked ian king since i first started lifting!I never knew he held records and stuff thats great to know,i would recommend super strenght to anyone,it trimmed me down and increased my muscularity,now i am gaining good muscle solid muscle with less fat than before i am now at 10.5% bodyfat and i was 12.5 before hand,i am now doing westside for skinny bastards and i havent stop gaining which is great, i am currently 200lbs,5ft 11inchs with 10.5% body fat!i love training and especailly strength training!Oh and by the way lou i read your book Tetestrone advantage plan the other day which was an interresting read!
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Great excert Lou...but cant's quite get the full picture yet.
Wanna post some more....a lot more?
Ok, ok I'll buy the book....
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Originally posted by BRITISHBULLDOG: lou i read your book Tetestrone advantage plan the other day which was an interresting read!
You read a 300+-page book in one day? You're a better man than I. I wrote most of it, and edited what I didn't write, and I'm not sure I could read the entire thing in a day.
Originally posted by MarineWithEgo: My question/concern is, I have never seen a picture of Ian King and his own personal results. They say that you should never judge a book by it's cover, but in the world of strength training, I am not sure I agree with that. Can anyone direct me to a pic?
Its ok to be skeptical but realize the limited info youre getting from doing this. Eric Cressey is like 5'10'' and maybe 165 wet on comp days, but he deadlifts almost 600lbs. Judge them by results, not by the cover.
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I have seen too many personal trainers at the gyms that weight 300 lbs and probably about 30% bodyfat that go around and give advice to everyone. I realize that they may be strong and be C.S.C.S certified, but somethings wrong with that picture.
Originally posted by MarineWithEgo: I have seen too many personal trainers at the gyms that weight 300 lbs and probably about 30% bodyfat that go around and give advice to everyone. I realize that they may be strong and be C.S.C.S certified, but somethings wrong with that picture.
Their goals are way off line from mine.
Out of all the trainers at my gym, there are really on 3-4 that seem to do things right, workout styles aside.
Many eat all the wrong things, or hardly ever eat while they are there. Many drink full sugar sodas, too. I see some of their clients walk around with a bottle of poweraid in their hands, while with the trainer.
Most are in ok shape, but I think it's despite how the eat and workout.
I recently won two free training sessions. I asked for 1 of 2 specific trainers and the manager couldn't understand why I wouldn't take his choice. I tried to explain about the nutrition and other personal habits, but he still didn't get it (or he REALLY wanted these other guys to get some work and was playing dumb).
Originally posted by MarineWithEgo: I have seen too many personal trainers at the gyms that weight 300 lbs and probably about 30% bodyfat that go around and give advice to everyone. I realize that they may be strong and be C.S.C.S certified, but somethings wrong with that picture.
Their goals are way off line from mine.
Just because they have different goals doesnt mean they dont know how to reach your goals. For all you know, they probably reached your goals and moved onto something else.
I know heavyweight PLers who used to be badass at bodybuilding but got into heavyweight competition. A lot of people in strongman come from PL or OL backgrounds. Using Cressey as an example again, just because his goal is to get as big and lean as possible in his weight class doesnt mean he doesnt know how to get big in general. Hes got his goals but if they dont coincide with yours, that doesnt mean they lack the knowledge to pursue your goals.
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"The strongest steel goes through the hottest fires."-Anonymous
"When you begin to believe nothing is heavy, all weights become light." -Rossbow
"Just remember, somewhere there is a little Chinese girl warming up with your max."-Jim Convroy
"It's a round hole, dammit. Everyone fits."--Anonymous Mod at Strengthmill
Originally posted by Lou Schuler: I worked on it with Alwyn Cosgrove. Alwyn designed all the workouts and weighed in on every topic.
It should definitely be available for shipping at Christmas. I'm not sure the exact date of release, but if the catalogue says "December," it should be ready early in the month. (Maybe it'll be out by Thanksgiving!)
BTW, if you like this little excerpt, you'll love the rest of the book. Every section of every chapter has information like that. I tried to make the entire thing as counterintuitive as possible (justifying the word "new" in the title).
Great quote, Lou!! Love it!
I have ur TAP, HWB, & BOM.. i will surely have this one too!
yes it was infact 13 hours on and off i read it lou,i was in the reading mood as i was on a long shift with nothing to do except read and watch t.v but i dislike t.v as its full of this reality t.v crap,mind i did watch contender which was fantastic!anyway lou good read anyway!
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