June 28
I'VE FINISHED MY READING!!!
Oh, happy day! My personal statistics for the reading period: It took me 5 weeks (to the day) to complete the reading. I averaged 120 pages/week, and 16.7 pages/day. Most of my reading occurred on the weekends
I also just took the CSCS online practice exam, where I scored 32 out of 45, or 71%...not too happy about that, actually, although I did answer a few questions without really reading the question entirely, which has always been a problem of mine (I've GOT to learn to cut that crap out!!!). It indicated that I should review my anatomy/physiology (how embarassing!!! ), cardiorespiratory exercise perscription, exercise techniques (a lot of the stupid mistakes were made there, though, so I just have to remember not to rush the questions!), and measurement and evaluation modules.
Phase II will be to go through the book again, and to take notes. I will be doing this primarily by re-writing all relevant definitions and concepts so that I can have them etched into my brain...I have found that for myself, when I know a definition, I know the concept. I now have 5 weeks until my test, so I plan on devoting 3-4 weeks on this, and then leaving the last week to studying the practice exam questions themselves, which has also always been a good way for me to study. Tomorrow, I will take the 1st practice exam as well, and see if my results are similar with the online practice exam...hopefully, I will remember to be, *ahem*, less careless with my answers!
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If you do better than I did, feel free to rip into me: I deserve it!!!
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jrgens
Posted 28 June 2005 10:49 PM
I finally found out where you got your name (mod. 2 question 4 choice A- it's what I guessed).
I got 23/45. I was hoping for a little better because I usually do well at multiple choice tests even if I have no idea what the material is. I'm lucky I guessed your name because that got me above the 50% mark.
That's really cool that you are learning that stuff. I'd really be interested in doing it myself but I'm on a path right now that I shouldn't stop if I want to be successful (not that you can't be successful as a personal trainer, they make good money). Good luck with these next five weeks and I'll definately check this thread to see how your progress is coming.
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blackgecko Posted 28 June 2005 11:22 PM
Hey, anyone here Canadian and got certified??Was wondering, Bip, about the ACE test??
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bipennate
Posted 28 June 2005 11:52 PM
quote:
Originally posted by blackgecko:
Hey, anyone here Canadian and got certified??Was wondering, Bip, about the ACE test??
Although I never looked too hard at the ACE materials, my understanding is that the test is a 'general' test that covers a little bit of everything, but nothing too difficult. It is a good 'foot in the door' type of certification, nationally recognized, but probably not in the same category as the NSCA and ASCM. I know a lot of guys who took and received certification through ACE, and I've never heard of anyone failing, at least those that I have worked with...
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Izzy
Posted 29 June 2005 10:52 AM
Ha! I got 30 out of 45. Should have done better since quite abit of the questions are so familiar. Just can't remember the details. At least I got one part perfectly correct, Module 4. BACK TO THE BOOKS IT SEEMS~
Hey, Bip. I do have a question. For the CPT exams, do you have to memorize every single equation including the conversions? I'm looking at the protocols and norms section and it has the different testings and equations for them. Not a problem to remember, just wondering if I have to. And, have any online practice exams for CPT? Want to try a shot at it. Was also thinking of purchasing their practice exam sheets.
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ChadK Posted 29 June 2005 10:52 AM
quote:
Originally posted by bipennate:
June 28
I'VE FINISHED MY READING!!!
Oh, happy day! My personal statistics for the reading period: It took me 5 weeks (to the day) to complete the reading. I averaged 120 pages/week, and 16.7 pages/day. Most of my reading occurred on the weekends
I also just took the CSCS online practice exam, where I scored 32 out of 45, or 71%...not too happy about that, actually, although I did answer a few questions without really reading the question entirely, which has always been a problem of mine (I've GOT to learn to cut that crap out!!!). It indicated that I should review my anatomy/physiology (how embarassing!!! ), cardiorespiratory exercise perscription, exercise techniques (a lot of the stupid mistakes were made there, though, so I just have to remember not to rush the questions!), and measurement and evaluation modules.
Phase II will be to go through the book again, and to take notes. I will be doing this primarily by re-writing all relevant definitions and concepts so that I can have them etched into my brain...I have found that for myself, when I know a definition, I know the concept. I now have 5 weeks until my test, so I plan on devoting 3-4 weeks on this, and then leaving the last week to studying the practice exam questions themselves, which has also always been a good way for me to study. Tomorrow, I will take the 1st practice exam as well, and see if my results are similar with the online practice exam...hopefully, I will remember to be, *ahem*, less careless with my answers!
If you'd like to try the exam for yourself, go here:
http://nsca.hkeducationcenter.com/Co...fo/pretest.cfm
If you do better than I did, feel free to rip into me: I deserve it!!!
Bip -
Do you know what constitutes a passing mark? Just curious.
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bipennate
Posted 29 June 2005 11:42 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Izzy:
Ha! I got 30 out of 45. Should have done better since quite abit of the questions are so familiar. Just can't remember the details. At least I got one part perfectly correct, Module 4. BACK TO THE BOOKS IT SEEMS~
Hey, Bip. I do have a question. For the CPT exams, do you have to memorize every single equation including the conversions? I'm looking at the protocols and norms section and it has the different testings and equations for them. Not a problem to remember, just wondering if I have to. And, have any online practice exams for CPT? Want to try a shot at it. Was also thinking of purchasing their practice exam sheets.
Yeah, I got 2 or 3 perfect, but royally screwed up on the others...
Check out the NSCA website...they *might* have a practice test similar to the CSCS one (I'd love to take it and try to reclaim some of my dignity...!). Also, of course, you can purchase the practice tests, which are probably very helpful!
As far as memorizing the formulas, I don't think that it's a bad idea, but I'm not really sure what that test looks like. I *think* that the HFI test had one or two formula questions on it, and I know from people that took it that the ACE exam does, so I don't think that it's out of the question that yours will, too. Better to be safe than sorry!
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bipennate
Posted 29 June 2005 11:48 AM
quote:
Originally posted by ChadK:
Bip -
Do you know what constitutes a passing mark? Just curious.
It fluctuates, but here is what the NSCA said about passing marks:
The passing rate for both sections of the CSCS exam is approximately 65%. (The percentage of candidates who pass the Scientific Foundations section is slightly higher than those passing the Practical/Applied section.) Note: To become certified, a candidate must pass both sections.
The passing rate for the NSCA-CPT exam is approximately 54%.
The minimum score for passing is a scaled score of 70. The passing scaled score reflects the amount of knowledge that a committee of experts has determined to be appropriate to designate competency on the exam. The scores are not curved; the ability to pass the exam depends upon each candidate's own knowledge, not the performance of other candidates. The performance of other candidates at any given exam site does not affect the minimum passing score.
Each year the NSCA Certification Commission modifies the exams to reflect changes in the literature and practices of the profession. The NSCA Certification Commission's exam service reviews and edits the questions for conformity to testing and measurement principles, thus assisting the NSCA Certification Commission in assembling the final version of the exam.
The reason for scaled scores is that different forms (or versions) of the test may vary in difficulty. As new forms of the test are introduced, a certain number of questions in each content area are replaced by new questions. These changes may cause one form of the test to be slightly easier or harder than another form. To adjust for these differences in difficulty, a procedure called "equating" is used. The goal of equating is to ensure fairness to all candidates.
The scaled score is statistically derived from your raw score. The passing score reflects the amount of knowledge that a committee of experts has determined to be appropriate for credentialing. A criterion-referenced standard setting procedure and expert judgment were used to evaluate each item on the entire exam in order to identify the passing point. Therefore, your score is not based on a curve; it is determined independently of all other exam candidates.
The equating system used and the manner in which the passing point is established follows psychometric protocols and nationally-recognized standards. How the NSCA Certification Commission administers and scores its exam are two reasons why the CSCS and NSCA-CPT certifications that have acquired nationally accredited status.
So, my practice exam sucked, but maybe I hypothetically just passed anyway???
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ChadK Posted 29 June 2005 12:50 PM
Wow, I got 29/45 on the first try. That's 64.4%. I was pretty surprised since I have no formal schooling or training. My BS and MS are both in Civil Engineering, so I do have some science background though. I guess I have picked up quite a bit doing my own reading and research.
Anyway, I am sure I would have absolutely no shot at passing the practical session. What is involved?
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Izzy
Posted 29 June 2005 01:33 PM
Hey bip, this is O/T but I've been meaning to ask you this. I've cut out cardio for about 8 weeks now and am just restarting it. However, when I started running and jumping rope as of late, the midpoint of my sole HURTS. It's like a strain that doesn't want to go away. I've tried to walk it off and ignore it but it keeps coming back to the point where I can't do it no more. Should I just see if my foot adapts or is there some kind of stretching I should be doing? There was an injury list in this month's Men's Health and it sort of suited my problem. They classified it as "Plantar fasciitis" but I'm not sure it's the same. Whatcha think?
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bipennate
Posted 29 June 2005 02:01 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Izzy:
Hey bip, this is O/T but I've been meaning to ask you this. I've cut out cardio for about 8 weeks now and am just restarting it. However, when I started running and jumping rope as of late, the midpoint of my sole HURTS. It's like a strain that doesn't want to go away. I've tried to walk it off and ignore it but it keeps coming back to the point where I can't do it no more. Should I just see if my foot adapts or is there some kind of stretching I should be doing? There was an injury list in this month's Men's Health and it sort of suited my problem. They classified it as "Plantar fasciitis" but I'm not sure it's the same. Whatcha think?
I was thinking 'plantar fasciitis' the entire time...Orthodics work well in correcting it. I would suggest a podiatrist, as this is a common overuse injury. It's not a big deal: I use orthodics myself. Makes me taller! Woo-hoo!!!
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bipennate
Posted 29 June 2005 02:06 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ChadK:
Wow, I got 29/45 on the first try. That's 64.4%. I was pretty surprised since I have no formal schooling or training. My BS and MS are both in Civil Engineering, so I do have some science background though. I guess I have picked up quite a bit doing my own reading and research.
Anyway, I am sure I would have absolutely no shot at passing the practical session. What is involved?
Nice job, Chad...like I said, I imploded on that practical...here's the layout of the test, including practical:
CSCS Exam Format
To earn the CSCS credential, candidates must pass a rigorous exam comprised of two sections: Scientific Foundations and Practical/Applied.
Scientific Foundations
The Scientific Foundations section, which is 1.5 hours in length, consists of 80 multiple-choice questions designed to assess a candidate's knowledge in the areas of exercise sciences (anatomy, exercise physiology, biomechanics, etc.) and nutrition.
Scientific Foundations
Domain Percent of Exam Section Number of Questions
Exercise Science 72.5% 58
Nutrition 27.5% 22
Total 100% 80
Length of exam section 1.5 hours
Exercise Sciences: anatomy, bioenergetics, exercise physiology, biomechanics, acute and chronic adaptations to anaerobic and aerobic exercise, etc.
Nutrition: factors affecting health and sport performance
Practical/Applied
The Practical/Applied section, which is 2.5 hours in length, consists of 110 multiple-choice questions pertaining to program design, exercise techniques, testing and evaluation and organization/administration. Forty of these are in conjunction with a video, which mainly assesses competencies in exercise techniques, functional anatomy and testing procedures.
Practical/Applied
Section and Domain Percent of Exam Section Number of Questions
Exercise Technique 35.5% 39
Program Design 35.5% 39
Organization and Administration 9% 10
Testing and Evaluation 20% 22
Total 100% 110
Number of video questions
(already included in the total) 40
Length of exam section 2.5 hours
Exercise Technique: correct flexibility, conditioning, plyometric and resistance training exercise techniques
Program Design: anaerobic and aerobic training programs based upon an athlete’s sport, strength and conditioning levels and training goals
Organization and Administration: policies and procedures, staffing, layout and safety guidelines of a strength and conditioning facility
Testing and Evaluation: proper performance test selection, administration and evaluation of results based on the athlete’s sport, strength and conditioning levels and training goals
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ChadK Posted 29 June 2005 02:19 PM
Oh, I thought the practical session was a hands-on test, of sorts.
Anyway, all of this talk makes me want to buy some study materials and take this test sometime so I can become a CSCS. Right now I don't really have any use for it, but maybe I could do something on the side or maybe even go for a career switch in the future.
I think there are continuing education courses you have to take to keep your certification every so many years, though. Is that correct, Bip?
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bipennate
Posted 29 June 2005 02:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ChadK:
Oh, I thought the practical session was a hands-on test, of sorts.
Anyway, all of this talk makes me want to buy some study materials and take this test sometime so I can become a CSCS. Right now I don't really have any use for it, but maybe I could do something on the side or maybe even go for a career switch in the future.
I think there are continuing education courses you have to take to keep your certification every so many years, though. Is that correct, Bip?
Nope, the practical isn't hands on, but it is exercise evaluation and assesment, which could be difficult if you've never really experienced that before. The ACSM HFI test, however, had a huge hands on practical component. They've changed it since I took it, but when I sat for the test, it was (I think) 200 questions, PLUS the practical: conducting a submax VO2 cardiovascular stress test using ACSM protocols; 7 point body fat caliper testing and body circumference measurement, stretching and strengthening demonstration for random muscle groups; and a stress test result evaluation and program design, indicating potential counterindications for exercise and risk stratifications (this is what they have changed: now, instead of this, the exercise demonstration and instruction segment is expanded).
Personally, I think that the HFI is probably a much more difficult test, but the materials covered are potentially more difficult for the CSCS, in general. Another difference is that you cannot even sit for the HFI unless you have an exercise related degree, but you just need a college degree for the CSCS, regardless of field of study.
And yes, you need to amass continuing ed credits for any certification. Each cert has different standards/requirements in types and amounts, but generally you can get CEU's for attending national conferences, taking self tests, taking college level exercise science courses, and/or publishing articles in journals, teaching college courses in ex. science, or speaking at conferences.
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bipennate
Posted 30 June 2005 10:43 PM
JUNE 30
I just finished my first official practice exam...and I passed! Passing was 70%, and I got 73%, passing both sections (scientific foundations and practical/applied). I also passed every individual section (Exercise sciences, exercise techniques, Program design, organization/administration [aced that part!], and testing evaluation). I missed passing the nutrition section by 1 question (although I still disagree with the answer that they gave , but was able to pass the section itself regardless).
I feel pretty good about this, considering that I haven't even started the actual studying, I just read through the book. I now have 5 weeks before the test: I give myself about 2 weeks to take notes, another 2-2.5 to study those notes, and then the final 3-7 days before the test to drill the practice exam questions (all of the questions that I have access to, including the online test...which, incidentally, I don't feel so bad about now if 70% is a passing mark!...ok, ok, it still sucked! )
So far, so good!
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walt
Posted 30 June 2005 11:16 PM
BIP you amaze me. Just reading some of the posts you've made from your reading, how you keep all that in your head is unbelievable. I'm sure by the time the test comes you'll pass with flying colors. You definitely have the dedication for it just keep up what you're doing and you'll ace it.You're already an impressive bank of applicable knowledge. Keep on bud you've made quite a name for yourself on this little board wait till you go public. I call dibs on a copy of your first book. I just wonder what big fitness guru you'll knock off the totem pole and take the place of in the future?
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bipennate
Posted 30 June 2005 11:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by walt:
I just wonder what big fitness guru you'll knock off the totem pole and take the place of in the future?
I got my sights set on John Basedow!!!
Thanks for the kind words, Walt! I'm sure trying!
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Raymond3
Posted 09 July 2005 10:19 AM
Hey Bip, coming in here late, but just read the whole thread. Man you know your ish pretty good. They need to have more PT's like you...my view of most of them is that they know the basics, text book stuff, but are lacking passion. You show both the skills and the passion, which is uncommon, at least from what Ive experienced. Just wanted to say good luck to you and wish you the best
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bipennate
Posted 09 July 2005 04:04 PM
Thanks, Ray! I really appreciate that!
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bipennate
Posted 18 July 2005 11:05 PM
July 18
Hmm...It's been a little bit since I've updated. Well, I hit a slight bump in my planning: it's taken A LOT longer to write up my notes than I had originally thought it would, and there's no way that I'll be able to finish them for the entire book...So far, I have finished 218 pages and written 16 pages (front AND back, for a total of 32) of notes. Therefore, I've altered my strategy: I will take as many notes as I can until a week from today. Then, I will drill those notes for a week, and then use my final week drilling the notes AND the practice exams. I feel confidant, so hopefully this will be enough.
In the least, I need to finish 50 more pages to complete the exercise sciences section (the first half of the book). The rest has to do with exercise testing, program design, plyometrics, etc, etc. but I'm not too worried about that.
19 days until the big day!!
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Irishdazza
Posted 19 July 2005 02:37 AM
Keep up the good work Bip- and remember if you write the notes inside your arm above the cuff line - you dnn't need to study!
(You have long arms, right? Well maybe you could write small...)
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Izzy
Posted 19 July 2005 12:52 PM
You'll do great Bip, I got no worries for you. My CPT will be in about 30 days, still havent' finished with the dang book(been in and out of town for the past 2 weeks). I'm gonna finish it by this week though, and I'll have roughly 3 weeks or so to finish it all. Haven't done a practice exam yet, but I do have notes already so that's a save. CPT is definitely easier than your CSCS so I'm not too worried, but still feelig a little scrambling at the moment. Anyways, I wanna wish you good luck, but you obviously don't need it.
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bipennate
Posted 19 July 2005 05:13 PM
Thanks guys! I'm super anxious to take the test already! I just want to get it over with so that I can make up new business cards, you know?
Izzy, you're going to rock that test...I have no doubt about it! You've been living and breathing that book for the past month!
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Kaiser Soze
Posted 19 July 2005 05:19 PM
Good luck with the test, bip!
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bipennate
Posted 28 July 2005 09:01 PM
JULY 28
a little over a week left...this week, after having a fantastically productive weekend, has slowed down a bit (a lot of work this week), and I find myself behind my schedule once again. However, if I'm productive again this weekend like I was last weekend, I won't be concerned. I also plan on freeing up my schedule next week to allow me more time to study. I am basically finished with my notes, and just need to start to review them. I've covered 478 pages, and written a little over 26 pages (again, front and back). That's A LOT of notes!!!
After the weekend's studying, 'phase three' begins, where I study off of my notes and the sample tests. I have two full practice exams, the chapter questions in the book, the sample exam questions that I posted earlier of of the website, as well as 5 other sample questions that I dug up on the Certification Commission website. That's a lot of questions to drill, so I still feel pretty good!
Of course, if all else fails, I can always write out answers on the inside of my arm above the cuff line, as well as making a small sheet of paper rolled up inside of my bic!
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Irishdazza
Posted 29 July 2005 12:24 PM
Keep up the good work mate!
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jward99
Posted 02 August 2005 01:17 PM
Hey Bip, I had a quick question about the NSPA test. I was looking into doing the NSCA-CPT to become a part-time trainer. My friend, who has a related college degree and does this stuff for a living said the NSPA would be better and would get me a job faster.
BTW-I tried a search for the NSPA and nothing came up.
Thanks
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bipennate
Posted 02 August 2005 09:44 PM
quote:
Originally posted by jward99:
Hey Bip, I had a quick question about the NSPA test. I was looking into doing the NSCA-CPT to become a part-time trainer. My friend, who has a related college degree and does this stuff for a living said the NSPA would be better and would get me a job faster.
BTW-I tried a search for the NSPA and nothing came up.
Thanks
Huh? The NSPA??? I have never heard of that! Are you he didn't say the NFPT (National Federation of Professional Trainers,
http://www.NFPT.com) or IFPA? The Big ones are the ACSM and NSCA, followed by ACE, NASM, AFAA, and the ISSA. I wouldn't even consider the NFPT or IFPA (and have never met anyone certified through those two). Truth is, I wouldn't consider anything but the first 4 that I listed, in all honesty...Not sure what your friend is thinking...
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bipennate
Posted 02 August 2005 09:51 PM
August 2
Just re-took the first practice exam, as well as all 162 end-of-the-chapter questions in the book: I scored 80% on my re-take (up by 7% and 4 questions, although I was actually down one in exercise techniques!!! ) and I scored 85% of the book questions (137 right, although I was a bit annoyed at that, because I was running a 90% for the first 18 out of 26 chapters... )
Also, my poorest section the first time around, nutrition, was actually one of my strongest: 7/7 correct this time! Not bad!
I might take the online exam again tonight as well, but I'll probably just read through notes instead, and go over what I screwed up. I took the afternoon and evening off of work for tomorrow, so I'll have all day to take more tests. Feeling pretty good, though! 3 days to go!
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jward99
Posted 03 August 2005 08:32 AM
quote:
Originally posted by bipennate:
Huh? The NSPA??? I have never heard of that! Are you he didn't say the NFPT (National Federation of Professional Trainers,
http://www.NFPT.com) or IFPA? The Big ones are the ACSM and NSCA, followed by ACE, NASM, AFAA, and the ISSA. I wouldn't even consider the NFPT or IFPA (and have never met anyone certified through those two). Truth is, I wouldn't consider anything but the first 4 that I listed, in all honesty...Not sure what your friend is thinking...
Yeah..here's the link:
http://nspainc.com/
It seems to be associated with a local gym started by John Philbin. The one good thing about this site seems to be a job listing page, but other than that I will probably tell my friend that I'll stick with the NSCA. Thanks for the input.
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bipennate
Posted 03 August 2005 04:33 PM
August 3
quote:
Originally posted by bipennate:
June 28
I also just took the CSCS online practice exam, where I scored 32 out of 45, or 71%...not too happy about that, actually, although I did answer a few questions without really reading the question entirely, which has always been a problem of mine (I've GOT to learn to cut that crap out!!!). It indicated that I should review my anatomy/physiology (how embarassing!!! ), cardiorespiratory exercise perscription, exercise techniques (a lot of the stupid mistakes were made there, though, so I just have to remember not to rush the questions!), and measurement and evaluation modules.
Second time around: MUCH BETTER! I scored 84%, 38 out of 45. I feel much better now! I still sucked on the last module (which is so damned embarassing, because I got an A in statistics...shows how much I've retained!), but all-in-all, I'm good with that! I've been hitting 80-85's so far, so I would be shocked if that type of score isn't good enough to pass! The problem is, my boss scored a 93 when he took it (right before he graduated from grad school in exercise physiology), and I need to beat him!!!
On to the second practice test!
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bipennate
Posted 03 August 2005 05:26 PM
August 3
Nice! Scored 81%, 52 out of 64, one question better than the re-take of the first test from last night. And I've never seen these questions before (not that I remembered any of the others...), so I feel really good! I passed ALL domains/categories, although I didn't ace any of them this time around (the closest that I came was nutrition, ex techniques and organization, where I got 1 wrong for each).
I'll probably take all of the book questions again, and really start to study off of them, instead of just taking them as a practice. 2.5 days of study left, and I'm feeling very positive!
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bipennate
Posted 04 August 2005 11:18 PM
August 5
32 hours to go!!! I'll be working at the physical therapist's tomorrow between 8-1, then I'll be driving up to NY and staying at my best friend's apartment in NY before the test. I'm counting on about 5-7 hours of a final push before the big event. I feel really good though! I think I'm ready!
8am Saturday, August 6, Pace University, Midtown Manhattan.
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Irishdazza
Posted 05 August 2005 12:28 PM
Good man Bip...we're rooting for ya!
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MikeMazz
Posted 05 August 2005 12:30 PM
Good Luck Bip!
Your sister is HOT, but your Mom does that thing with her tongue!
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jrgens
Posted 05 August 2005 01:42 PM
Good luck Bipennate.
Just be as confident in yourself as all of us are confident that you'll have no problem.
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calimon
Posted 05 August 2005 02:20 PM
Good Luck Jon
Age: 29 Weight: 172 BF%: 15 Goals Weight: 180 BF%: 10%
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bipennate
Posted 06 August 2005 03:12 PM
August 6---The Big Day
Wow. Ok, so here's what happened:
I was SUPPOSED to wake up at 6:30 for my 8am test, but of course I was awake at around 5:45...I got up, ate breakfast, and got dressed. My best friend, whose apartment I crashed at (she lives uptown) made me a mix of the 'Garden State Soundtrack' and put it onto her MP3 player for me: VERY relaxing songs, and it really helped me to stay calm while taking the subway downtown! With coffee in hand, I got off of the subway at about 7:15, and sat in the park and read my notes for about 20 minutes, then moved to the Starbucks across the street. I ran into someone else preparing for the test (turns out that he was taking the CPT, not CSCS), and he had been studying since JANUARY...!!! I don't know how hard this stuff is, but I couldn't imagine preparing for that long!
I walked into the building promptly at 8am, only to discover that I probably should have read the instructions a bit more carefully: the test was scheduled to start at 8:30, not 8. I'm a dumb@$$!
Of course, it didn't actually start at 8:30 either: By the time we cracked open the test booklets, it was 9:30. At this point, the morning coffee has gone through my bladder like a bullet train, and considering the fact that I already have the bladder size of a walnut and the control of a pregnant dog, it was amazing that I didn't explode in the test room!
First half: 80 questions, primarily exercise science. MUCH harder than any of the practice questions that I had been drilling with! I would say, on average, they were roughly twice as hard as the online questions that I posted the link to last month! Most of them were fair, however: you just had to really understand your physiology so that you could construct the situation described in your head and deduce the answer. There were very few straightforward questions. Of course, there were some completely off-the-wall, couldn't even recall seeing it in the book-type questions which I had to reach deep into my experience to even come close to answering, but all-in-all, I felt pretty good. I was reading a little during the one hour break, and came across the answers to a few of the questions that I had been unsure of, and I was right on all counts, so I felt decent.
Part two started with the video practical: that was a joke! Very easy questions, mostly form and technique, and I felt very confident with my answers, for the most part. In fact, I felt pretty good about the second half of the test (110 questions) all-together!
Did I 'ace' it? Probably not: I'm sure that I made a number of mistakes that I'm unaware of. But I would be very dissapointed if I have not passed. But you never know. I spoke with a number of individuals that were taking the test for the 2nd time, so I don't want to be too confident. Hopefully, that won't be me, but if it is, then I'll just have to go back and study some more!
Advice for those who plan on taking the CSCS: KNOW YOUR PHYSIOLOGY AND ENDOCRINE AND ADAPTIVE RESPONSE TO EXERCISE!!! Lot's of questions based on that material. And you really need to understand it, not just have definitions memorized. There were a fair number of detail questions as well, but nothing too random. If I passed it, I definitely earned it!!!
Thanks to all of the guys who posted warm wishes! I really appreciate it, and I hope that everyone has enjoyed this account of my test experience. I will be getting results in about 6-8 weeks, according to the testing service...now, it's just sit back and wait...
But tonight, I'm going out and having a drink!!!
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Northernlion Posted 06 August 2005 04:42 PM
Congrats!
Also, props for the Garden State soundtrack. Good music from one of the best movies of last year.
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Irishdazza
Posted 06 August 2005 04:48 PM
Have more than one - even have one on me!
But stay in range of the restrooms?
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Dragns
Posted 06 August 2005 04:51 PM
Congrats on getting that done! Sounds like a ***** of a test. When will you know the results?
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Irishdazza
Posted 06 August 2005 04:56 PM
Yo Dragns! Long time no read...
How's the running going?
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Dragns
Posted 06 August 2005 05:15 PM
Hey Irish... yeah, i've been kinda absent lately.
The running is going good. Marathon is in about two months. Runs are tough lately because it's been so damn hot here - like 90's everyday, plus I've been having my son every weekend, all weekend, because of his mom's work schedule, and it's hard to get him motivated to ride his bike with me while I'm doing 15 miles or whatever. He even went so far as to get his mom involved and she told me that she didn't want him riding that far. Whatever. He's here, he's mine, he's ridin'. LOL
On a positive note, I met this really hot girl on the Oxygen site and she's coming down and doing the marathon with me! woohooo!
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Irishdazza
Posted 06 August 2005 05:58 PM
What about the race?
Glad to hear it's going well...good weather has me thinking of running again, but a 45sq mile island is a bit of a patience challenge!
Don't make the kid hate exercise now....run round a girls school sports field!
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bipennate
Posted 07 August 2005 06:39 AM
That's what I love about Irish: Always thinking!!! However, you won't be happy to know, but I was so exhausted from the stress and lack of sleep, combined with the fact that I had to be up early again this morning to go with my father and cousin to a classic car show in Pennsylvania, that I didn't make it out last night...On top of this, while watching last night's UFC, I was showing my other cousin (we're the same age) the possibilities available when on the ground with the opponent in guard (he never trained in wrestling), and I gave myself a nasty strain in my right adductor (Brevis, probably). The important thing is that I submitted him (And I don't even know with what! It was like a kimora, but in a low arm bar position....He's a strong bastard and has an idea of what to do, so my original plan of just sweeping around and getting a side crank or reaer-naked choke wasn't working. I had started to go for a leg wrap around his throught at one point after a failed triangle, he moved, I brought him to his side, wrapped the arm, twisted it like a kimora, applied pressure and arched...he tapped!). So, while I may have injured myself and this will effect my working out for another damned week, I won, and this is all that matters!!!
Hey Dragns...they told us that we would have scores (by mail) in 6-8 weeks. I'm hoping that's conservative, and I'll get them in 4, but I'm not counting on it...Sitting around and waiting is not the most exciting thing in the world!
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Irishdazza
Posted 07 August 2005 08:13 AM
I think I'll just stick to punching and kicking...seems safer. What is it Tank Abbot used to say?
"When I lose, I'm in the bar ten minutes later having a drink. The guy who beat me is on his way to the hospital to have his through a straw"
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Izzy
Posted 07 August 2005 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by bipennate:
I ran into someone else preparing for the test (turns out that he was taking the CPT, not CSCS), and he had been studying since JANUARY...!!! I don't know how hard this stuff is, but I couldn't imagine preparing for that long!
Neither can I. My test is in 2 weeks and I'm shaking like a leaf. Been busy with trying to find work and I screwed up my left arm from giving plasma. I knew something was wrong with the procedure the moment the damn needle was injected. Told one of the nurses and she just poked around and didn't do anything. I now have a 12 inch bruise on my left arm and it's as sore as a hippie monkey's crack.
I'm drilling the rest of this stuff in. Damn, I'm kinda unsure of myself at this moment. I took some of the questions in the book but haven't tried any of the sample tests yet. I can only imagine how badly I'll do compared to the guy who's been studying since January. I've been thinking of this question as of late; how /hard/ is the CPT exam?
Anyways, I got a question;
"Inferior angle of scapula protrude slightly from body."
"A winged scapula condition indicates a definite serratus anterior weakness."
Could ya explain what the two statements mean? I'm having a hard time trying to find a free online muscle anatomy chart. I'm poor(selling plasma kinda shows that) and so I'm cheap. =P
Thanks in advance.
Izzy
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Izzy
Posted 07 August 2005 10:57 AM
Oh and Bip, congrats on the test. I'm saying congrats in advance cause I'm sure you'll pass it. So any discounts for us Men's Health Forum members who wanna pay for your CSCS services? =P
I was watching the Exercise Techniques DVD, the shoulder press exercise. It stated to lower the bar till it touches the chest(with the chest held up and out). It was the same for the dumbbells. Somebody also mentioned a few days back that lowering the weight to, lower than upper arm parallel to the ground, puts undue stress on the shoulder. He also stated that during the shoulder presses, the weight should only be lowered till the upper arms are paralleled to the floor.
Who is right? I'm guessing the DVD since it's from the NSCA. However, I'm also wondering if he's stating this cause it's a modification for a special group(injured shoulder, etc).
Anyone knows the answer? Thanks.
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bipennate
Posted 07 August 2005 04:07 PM
http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Scapula.html
Good old exrx.net to the rescue, Izzy! These are two reference points on the shoulder blades: the superior angle (the uppermost bend at the medial border) and the inferior angle on the medial border. The scapula, which are floating bones attached to muscle, used as leverage support for muscle action that effects the humerus, rotates according to arm movement. Try this: have your gf/friend/whoever stand in front of you, shirt off, and rotate their arm up, down, etc. and watch their shoulder blade, or even place your palm on their upper back/scapula. You will see the bone moving. The reference point is spine/middle of the back. Therefore, when you raise your arm, and the superior angle rotates inwards, it is called a superior rotation. When you rotate your arm downwards and the inferior angle moves in towards the spine, it is an inferior rotation.
Because the scapula are only attached to muscle, when you have a protrusion, it means that one of those muscular attachments is being overpowered and/or is weaker than the others. Scapular winging of the inferior border means that the anterior serratus (the 'fingertip' muscles at the top of your ribcage), which insert on the medial border and anterior surface of the scapula, are weak and are allowing the shoulder blades to 'wing' because they aren't exerting enough force to over come the pull of the traps/rhomboids.
As far as the shoulder press, a full ROM shoulder press is counterindicated for certain shoulder pathologies, but in general it is safe to perform. A shoulder press behind the neck has far more injury risk associated with it than does a standard shoulder press, and should be avoided except for sport-specific movements. Regardless, as far as the test is concerned: whatever the NSCA says is law!!! You can 'adjust' your methods afterwards, but know exactly what the NSCA says for your answers. And don't sweat it, Izzy: take some practice exams, get used to the format, assume the test will be twice as hard, and know your chapters, from the big picture (VERY important, because, at least on my test, there were very few straightforward questions) and make sure that you are able to fill in the details.
You've got 2 weeks: plenty of time! Just stay focused, and do your best!
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bipennate
Posted 07 August 2005 04:09 PM
But as far as discounts to the MH board? Well, we'll see about that...
