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Old 05-29-2005, 08:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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ive been doing a split that is as follows
monday- chest/tri/one or two shoulder exercises
weds - legs alternating every other week with abs
sat- back alternating every other week with biceps
the other days are cardio

so i ve been thinking of ditching the bicep day and doing back once a week and then maybe wrapping it up with a isolation bi exercise. after all ive read on here for months the bi's get a workout just because. also thinking of ditching the every other ab / leg thing and hitting the legs once a week and maybe spreading out the ab stuff thru the week.

anyone see a problem ditching the bi workout in favor of doing a back instead? thanks
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Old 05-29-2005, 08:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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You actually skip a back workout to do a day of biceps? And you skip legs every other week to do your abs? Am I understanding you correctly?

I hate to be "that guy," but head over to the FAQ and pick a professionally made routine, where you can learn the fundamentals of putting together a balanced and efficient routine.
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Old 05-29-2005, 08:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I would do both of the changes you're thinking about.

I would also suggest partaking of one of the many routines on the FAQ summary page of workouts, if you haven't before. It's made life very easy for me to simply pick from a selection of proven routines.

Good luck!
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Old 05-29-2005, 10:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
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thanks guys for the advice. this routine came from a trainer my mom uses. i proably should fire him huh?
thanks again.
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Old 05-30-2005, 12:16 AM   #5 (permalink)
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trainers can be way sketchy. You just dont want to throw out a muscles in your back for a muscle in your arm- doesn't make sense. You'll get set up w/ a good routine in the FAQ, or even other places, like t-nation.com And they won't even charge you!!
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Old 05-30-2005, 01:14 AM   #6 (permalink)
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i proably should fire him huh?
umm... yea! fire him as your trainer AND your moms!
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Old 05-31-2005, 01:56 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Seek Alwyn Cosgrove knowledge:

Q: I've really enjoyed your hard gainer column in Men’s Fitness. I still have problems gaining size however ...and I was hoping you could help me. My current split is:

Mon... Chest (edited for length/redundancy and stupidity)

A: I’m glad you enjoyed my column. Did you ever actually read it though? I swear I seem to answer this question at least once a month.

But I’ll answer it again.

NO BODY PART SPLIT ROUTINES!!! A body part split is an outdated approach to training. Strength Coaching legend Mike Boyle from Boston says “When someone starts talking about body part routines – stop listening – it’s a sign that they are CLUELESS”.

I agree 100%. A body part split just defies logic. Here’s an excerpt from my martial arts conditioning program (www.martialartsconditioning.com)

“A question I am often asked is “How should I split up my body parts when I train?” Again, thank you bodybuilding. The notion that your body is comprised of several independent muscle systems that have no crossover effect is a mistake. Functionally the body is a single unit, you cannot isolate a muscle.

Consider the following example – hold a dumbbell in your right hand and raise your arm out to the side until it is parallel with the floor (a lateral raise in the fitness world!). Which muscles are working? The classic answer is the medial deltoid and the trapezius. True. But maintain this position and just touch your obliques on the left side. They are contracting maximally in order to stabilize your torso, spine and prevent you from tipping over. So the oblique has to contract so hard in order to stabilize your entire upper body, plus your arm and the Dumbbell, it becomes clear that this exercise forces more work from the oblique muscles, the TFL and the quadratus lumborum than it can from the medial deltoid! Hopefully this helps you realize that the body will always work as a unit“

For the last time:

A “hard gainer” should be doing full body workouts, three days per week hitting every movement pattern and muscle action. The main movement patterns to be concerned with are squatting, lunging, bending, pushing, pulling and twisting. The muscle actions can break this down to knee dominant lower body training, hip dominant lower body training, horizontal pushing and pulling and vertical pushing and pulling.

A recreational drug-free athlete who is having a difficult time gaining size will not grow any appreciable muscle hitting a body part once a week. He will also not recover optimally from more than 3-4 sets per exercise.

The bodybuilding advice is backwards in its logic. Hit a muscle group once a week, but hit it with 24 sets so it NEEDS a week to recover? It is senseless at best.

Stick with full body routines.
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Old 05-31-2005, 02:39 PM   #8 (permalink)
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just a quick question, if you have to hit every movement pattern each workout day... Wouldn't you lose a lot of time with warming up and weight acclimation?
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Old 05-31-2005, 03:19 PM   #9 (permalink)
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igunick,

Short answer: no. For example, if doing the following routine

Squats, RDLs, incline press, bent-over rows, dips and chins

you could do two quick total body circuits w/ 50% and 70% of working weight, moving quickly from one movement to the next -

once you do some inclines (and after doing two light warm-up sets of dips), you won't need another warm-up for dips

once you do rows (after doing some light warm-ups at the beg. of the workout of rows and chins), you could move right into chins w/o addt'l warm-ups

w/ six exercises, two warm-up sets of each w/ little/no rest in between, your warm-up shouldn't take more than 15 minutes
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Old 05-31-2005, 04:03 PM   #10 (permalink)
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yeah maybe you're right [img]smile.gif[/img] thx man!
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