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Old 09-12-2004, 12:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Is it ok if im doing pushups everyday? im not usually feeling sore the next day. Also, should i be doing dips everyday if im doing pushups everyday too?
About once a week i go to the gym and do a really hard back workout, mainly targeting the lats.
Also i try to add some pull ups in during the week.

BTW: should i be doing workouts when i wake up or in the afternoon? (like around 7:00)
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Old 09-14-2004, 07:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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bump...

o yeah i also do school soccer for a leg workout
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My question to you is why are you doing it? That should justify weather or not its a good idea.

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Old 09-14-2004, 07:50 PM   #4 (permalink)
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to build muscle.??????
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You aren't going to build a significant amount of muscle doing something low intensity every day. You need both high intensity and rest to grow muscles. You mentioned you have gym access, just use that. This is one of the cases where less is more.


The reason I asked for your reasoning is that its pretty hard to dismiss something without knowing ones goals before hand. For example on my off days from the gym I use a ciruit of Goodmornings, pushups, squats, band pulldowns, pullaparts, and side steps to build a higher work capacity and increase GPP. The goal here isn't to use these to increase muscle mass but to get the muscles used to doing more and help them recover. So in your case of wanting to use the pushups to add muscle its not the best idea but in my case it makes a bit more sense.

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Old 09-14-2004, 08:44 PM   #6 (permalink)
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On the weekdays i dont time to go to the gym especially with soccer practice now.
The reason im doing these exercises are because they are compound exercises. I'm doing pullups pushups and dips and im still seeing changes in my chest, besides i dont like bench press and i dont wanna pump out my chest.

On the one day i can go to the gym, i'll dp a hard back exercise in which im sore for the next 2 or 3 days, which i think will make up for the lack of back exercise the rest of the week.
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We've already given you our advice, take it or leave it but don't ask stupid questions after the fact. You have to give us your goals for us to truly understand what your asking. If muscular endurance is what your after. Sure do pushups. I find that I get my best growth when working on things i hate the most. If you hate the horizontal press so much it's my guess that you suck at it. You don't get better without practice. Another discrepancy of your workouts are lack of leg excercises.
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Old 09-14-2004, 08:48 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Old 09-14-2004, 09:29 PM   #9 (permalink)
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We've already given you our advice, take it or leave it but don't ask stupid questions after the fact. You have to give us your goals for us to truly understand what your asking. If muscular endurance is what your after. Sure do pushups. I find that I get my best growth when working on things i hate the most. If you hate the horizontal press so much it's my guess that you suck at it. You don't get better without practice. Another discrepancy of your workouts are lack of leg excercises.
No question is stupid, as long as it's sincere (or until it's been asked and answered more than three time [img]smile.gif[/img] ) I think digitalrob just wasn't sure what his question was.

Rob: Unless you can only do 10 pushups, then they won't be taxing enough to do build muscle. Or, at the outside, let's say 15. Same would hold true for chins and dips, but you can probably do less of those. If you want to add some muscle and strength to chest, back, shoulders arms, then you would need to use some weight. Between the chins and dips, you've got a lot covered. But for muscle and stregth building (which includes benefits for athletics/soccer), you would be wise to add in other basic weight exercises, including leg work.

If you have not really done weight training, then the "Big 5" covers a lot of ground. For a bit more complex program, you can try the Mens Health Homegrown Muscle (HGM) series (at least the first 8 weeks to get started).

This link the Big 5 thread will cover both of those (there's a link there to the HGM series).

http://forums.jpfitness.com/cgi-bin/...c;f=2;t=001491

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I'm pretty sure he's posted the same question if not very similiar questions within the last month atleast 3 times and all those times we have told him about the big 5 approach and i believe i personally even told him about the mens health iron manual.
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Old 09-14-2004, 09:57 PM   #11 (permalink)
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sometimes people want to check to see what other people think...and no..they have not been exactly the same...ive posted in most of his...just checked a few posts and i dont see where it says that u told him that...but then again im tired...so i could b missing it...im about his age and i know that sometimes its hard to lift with soccer going on...he may have tried other workouts, but didnt have the time....thats a problem i have....
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I'm pretty sure he's posted the same question if not very similiar questions within the last month atleast 3 times and all those times we have told him about the big 5 approach and i believe i personally even told him about the mens health iron manual.
I'd heard you Canadians were pretty helpful (except the time one keyed my car overnight in the hotel parking lot ).
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Old 09-15-2004, 12:41 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Vandalism is not cool. Anywase, you may not have looked back far enough for the advice that DKing most forsurely gave and I believe I gave to digitalrob. Now granted, he is playing soccer. However, I've played lacrosse and hockey at rep levels and that really never hurt me in working out. You work out on days you have off, you'll find that except for maybe the first day or two of a new routine you don't really get sore with good nutritional practices and adequate rest. If you do feel sore take a day off. What i'm saying is unless digitalrob has amazing genetics, i'm going to assume that pushups, pullups, and dips(while great excercises when incorperated within a smart routine) won't really cut it overall for a decent workout especially at the volumes he is suggesting. There are many great routines that can be found allover the internet created by professional strength trainers with a hell of a lot of experience, why not just use one of those?
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Vandalism is not cool. Anywase, you may not have looked back far enough for the advice that DKing most forsurely gave and I believe I gave to digitalrob. Now granted, he is playing soccer. However, I've played lacrosse and hockey at rep levels and that really never hurt me in working out. You work out on days you have off, you'll find that except for maybe the first day or two of a new routine you don't really get sore with good nutritional practices and adequate rest. If you do feel sore take a day off. What i'm saying is unless digitalrob has amazing genetics, i'm going to assume that pushups, pullups, and dips(while great excercises when incorperated within a smart routine) won't really cut it overall for a decent workout especially at the volumes he is suggesting. There are many great routines that can be found allover the internet created by professional strength trainers with a hell of a lot of experience, why not just use one of those?
Personally speaking, as a 44 year old who has only hit the weights regularly this year, I can't work more than two days and recover. I've got three days of martial arts classes, which includes warmups with pushups, situps, etc. Plus, I try to get in one or two days of running intervals. If I weight train more than twice a week, both my weight training and taekwondo technique suffer.

I have no doubt that a younger guy can hit the weights three or four times a week. However, for an athlete in season, I bet two days is all they need to maintain conditioning, which is usually the goal in season. The main improvement generally happens off season, I think. It's just that my practice is all year; there is no season.
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Old 09-15-2004, 04:01 PM   #15 (permalink)
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What does GPP stand for?

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Old 09-15-2004, 04:13 PM   #16 (permalink)
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General Physical Preperation. Its a fancy term for being in shape for what you do.

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Chris -- yeah, i'm only 17 (18 in 2 days) so I have the age advanatage at recovery. I am also only in the gym for about 30 minutes at a time so i can get in there 5 or 6 times a week. I think when your playing a sport you just really have to listen to your body and we can't tell him how to do that. You just have to learn it yourself. If you don't feel like working out but your not sore and not tired, then it might just be motivational problems. If your tired or sore or run down or stressed then sure skip the gym. But if your just playing soccer I'm assuming that your not at the highest level or rep then you should probably be working out 3-4 times a week. But let me ask your digital rob, what are your goals? I believe your goals were to look like that skinny asian boxer with the abs, wasn't that you?
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yeahh i dont wanna be bulked up i just wanna be cut like that guy in the picture or else my speed will fall in TKD sparring and i like the look

The reason im asking these different questions is because i really cant go to the gym at all, if im lucky maybe once a week.
My soccer practice is everyday after school until around 5-6, and im enrolled in all Honors (high level) classes so i have a lot of homework everynight. I just wanted to do some exercises that will at least keep me growing until the soccer season is over when ill be able to hit the gym a lot more.

Sorry, i havent been checking my old threads, but i gather that Mens Health Homegrown Muscle (HGM)and Mens Health Iron Manual are two things that i should check out. Will these gett me that cut look..?
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Those 2 routines are actually one and the same and yes, if you consistently do that routine you will be one cut mofo. As i was saying before, the fighters like that with the crazy cut look. They are really strong for their body size and the only way they get their strength is from lifting weights. A good place to start is ironmanual/homegrown. Good luck.
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So I have to get in shape to get in shape?



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"That skinny asian boxer with the abs" is named Genki Sudo. He's a K1 fighter here in Japan.

If you want to look like him, DigitalRob, you will have to hit the weights. Sudo's low body fat percentage gives him the cut look, but he also has a lot of muscle.

(I take offense to the "skinny asian boxer" comment, by the way. It would cause an outrage to refer to people of other races that way, why do people get away with it when making comments about Asians?)
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It would cause an outrage to refer to people of other races that way.....
Except for us skinny white guys, right? [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 09-19-2004, 02:00 PM   #24 (permalink)
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It would cause an outrage to refer to people of other races that way.....
Except for us skinny white guys, right? [img]tongue.gif[/img] [/quote]gogunners,

Not to downplay your feelings about the comment, I'm curious about why that offends you? To be honest, I skimmed the preceeding posts several times and never found the original reference. I think TS's comment, although a typical TS comment , was intended to show that some people aren't quite as sensitive about things like that. Is it a cultural thing? I don't know the person referred to but is he, in fact, skinny? Sounds like he's just lean! Is he, in fact, Asian? If so, that's just a fact. Certainy there's nothing wrong with being referred to has having abs, right? So, it kind of boils down to the "skinny" part. To me, that's not a generalization about Asians... is that the way you took it? Please explain. By the way, I'm truly just curious to learn your perspective on this because I don't understand where the problem lies.

By the way, I can think of several "skinny Asian guys" who can (or could, if you include the deceased) kick some serious butt and are highly revered around the world!!! They are considered great athletes so I don't really get it.

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I have no doubt that the guy could absolutely kill me with ease, and i was never referring to his athleticsism, but the guy must weigh like a buck 30 so thats where i got the "skinny" part, and in no way was i being rascist. I just remember him showing a picture of the guy and there was a skinny white guy in the picture to so i was just being specific.
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