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Old 11-10-2004, 09:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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By Owen70's suggestion, I'm trying WS as well.

I mostly followed Dave Tate's general recommendations given in 8 Keys. I went with his recommendations for a beginner bench routine, because my bench is pretty pathetic (around 180). Granted, I'm a skinny guy (under 150 at 5'10"), so that number isn't terrible. My squat is decent (a little over 200 now) and my deadlift is around 290. So I went for Tate's intermediate suggestions for lower body. You may wonder why I seem so partial towards chinups. This is because I am an officer candidate with the USMC and need to be able to do 20 BW chins. Please give me your comments, criticisms, suggestions. I'm going to use a 3 workout a week schedule, and probably run or swim on 2 or 3 of the off days, to keep up my cardiovascular endurance. Thanks in advance.

ME LOWER BODY

Pin Pulls, 1-2" below knees (NOTE: I will build a box before I cycle off of this max effort lift, then switch to box squats.)

95 3x5
135 1x3
155 1x3
185 1
215 1
245 1
275 1
300 1

GHR

3 sets, aim for 10 reps each

Dimel Deadlift

2x20

Back Extension

2x20

Pulldown Abs

3x8-10


ME BENCH

45 3x5
70 1x3
95 1x3
115 1
135 1
155 1
175 1
190 1

Close Grip Push-ups with hands on hex dumbbells
and weight plates on back

2x5

Standing External Rotation
2x10

Lateral Raises
2x10

1-arm Dumbbell Rows
2x8

Weighted Chinups
2x5

BW Chins
sets of 5, 60s rest, until I can't finish a set


DE LOWER BODY

Speed Squats to parallel (will cycle to speed box squats once I build a box)
95 8x2 60s rest

Speed Sumo Deadlifts
135 10x1 30s rest

Romanian Deadlifts
3x10

Hanging Leg Raises
3x10

Straight Leg Raises
2x5

Reverse Hypers
2x15


DE UPPER BODY

Speed Benches
45 15x3 60s rest. wide-grip 5 sets, mid-width grip 5 sets, close-grip 5 sets

Bench Dips
70 4x8 (Not sure how much I can do on bench dips; just a guess)

Standing Shoulder Presses from front
3x10

BW Chinups
Pyramid (1 rep, 10s rest, 2 reps, 20s rest, 3 reps, 30s rest, until a set is missed)

Barbell Rollout
2x8

Full Contact Twist
1x10

Standing External Rotation
2x10
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Old 11-10-2004, 09:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Are you doing this just to get stronger?

Youre doing too many speed benches regardless.

Id do a lot of cuff work because youre doing a lot of internal rotation (chins, presses, and swimming). Ill let an expert chime in on that, or get Cressey to give you a reccomendation.
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Old 11-11-2004, 08:31 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Gq, my primary goal is definitely to get stronger but I plan to put on some mass as well (I hate it when people say I "should work out," and when my boss at work tells me not to hurt myself deadlifting 50 lbs boxes). What do you recommend for sets/reps on the speed benches then? Perhaps 10 sets of 3 reps? Also, what do you recommend for rest periods?
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Old 11-11-2004, 01:01 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Your repetition method sets will provide a stimulus for growth assuming you eat enough calories.

Gq is correct on your volume of speed work. At your level of development your speed will most likely drop off long before you reach your intended number of sets. If you pay attention to technique and speed you'll be able to identify when this happens. Going beyond this point defeats the intended purpose of the speed work.

At your body weight and strength levels, I think your speed work may be way to light to achieve what you seek in using that technique. You may find that going up to as high as 70% of your 1 RM will be effective. You'll recruit more motor units. As strength and speed improves, you can lower the %.

Another thing to consider on max effort days. You may want to consider a higher volume by doing more 5's,3's, 2's, and repetitive sets of singles at less than max effort weight. For one you'll gain more muscle mass and two you'll increase your capacity to train at a higher intensity. Not only do you need the capacity demonstrate max effort as a powerlifter but you must also do things to raise work capacity at that level.

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Old 11-11-2004, 06:37 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks Bill, Gq. Here's the second draft - I aimed to increase volume on ME days with submaximal loads, and reducing volume on DE days while increasing load. And thanks for your help and patience; this is my first time writing a real program.
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ME LOWER BODY

Pin Pulls, 1-2" below knees (NOTE: I will build a box before I cycle off of this max effort lift, then switch to box squats.)

95 3x5
135 1x5
155 1x5
185 2x5
215 4x3
245 5x2
275 3x1
280 3x1

GHR

3 sets, aim for 10 reps each

Dimel Deadlift

2x20

Back Extension

2x20

Pulldown Abs

3x8-10


ME BENCH

115 2x5
135 3x3
155 2x2
160 2x2
165 3x1
170 2x1


Close Grip Push-ups with hands on hex dumbbells
and weight plates on back

2x5

Standing External Rotation
2x10

Assorted Rotator Cuff Work

1-arm Dumbbell Rows
2x8

Weighted Chinups
2x5

BW Chins
sets of 5, 60s rest, until I can't finish a set


DE LOWER BODY

Speed Squats to parallel (will cycle to speed box squats once I build a box)
95 6x2 60s rest

Speed Sumo Deadlifts
135 8x1 30s rest

Romanian Deadlifts
3x8

Hanging Leg Raises
3x10

Straight Leg Raises
2x5

Reverse Hypers
2x15


DE UPPER BODY

Speed Benches
95 8x3 60s rest. wide-grip 3 sets, mid-width grip 3 sets, close-grip 3 sets

Bench Dips
55 2x8 (Not sure how much I can do on bench dips; just a guess)

Standing Shoulder Presses from front
2x10

BW Chinups
Pyramid (1 rep, 10s rest, 2 reps, 20s rest, 3 reps, 30s rest, until a set is missed)

Barbell Rollout
2x8

Full Contact Twist
1x10

Assorted Rotator Cuff Work
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Old 11-12-2004, 10:33 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Looks good, make sure you monitor your rest, take care of those shoulders, and eat. Im not sure how much youre eating but if you want some size dont just start increasing your diet by 1000 calories. Gradually increase it every few weeks in smaller intervals like 500.
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