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Old 10-12-2009, 02:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi guys and girls,

Posted this on my blog yesterday and would be interested to hear what strategies you use whatever your goals.

Look forward to your thoughts,
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In Part 1 we discussed how life is a set of waves. Learning how and when to ride the waves and learning to spot which ones are worth riding, is the key to fulfilment, happiness and developing the physical appearance and capabilities of the Bionic Man.

In training, the key to this is carefully planned deload weeks.

So what is deloading and why does everyone serious trainee need it?

Deloading is a period of time which has the following objectives:

Realisation of work effort

Deloading allows the body time to rebuild stronger than it was before. Remember, fitness gains of any kind never occur during training but in the recovery period that follows.

This applies on a day-to-day basis when muscle fibres and fat burning occurs once the session has finished but also on a larger scale. The fact is that even if you get your 6-8 hours of deep sleep on a daily basis, mental and physical fatigue accumulates.

A proper deload of 7 days or more, allows the body to recovery from this accumulated fatigue, but also to draw together all the training that has gone on in the last few weeks and allow you to ‘rebound’ stronger, faster, leaner and/or more muscular than ever before (depending on the training goals).

In the same way that financial investment rarely pays off straight away, work done in training can only be ‘realised’ when we give the body sufficient time to do so.

Injury prevention

Muscles can recover quite quickly from tough training sessions.

Joints, however, aren’t always quite so quick to resume normal service. The older you get the more this problem can rear it’s ugly head in the form of aches and pains or worse, injuries which prevent you from doing what you want to do.

A sustained period of low intensity training or sometimes complete rest can be the only way to keep joints healthy and allow any niggles to properly repair themselves.

Avoiding overtraining

Preventing injuries and overtraining aren’t the same thing although they are usually very closely linked and one will follow closely behind the other.

Overtraining can occur even when joint by joint and muscle by muscle, you still feel okay. Rather than a specific injury becoming obvious you gradually or suddenly build this level of systemic fatigue which just will not go away.

You’ve gone beyond your body’s ability to recover and the harder you try to force yourself through training, the worse it gets until you reach a point where your training or performance levels border on embarrassing.

Proper deloading allows you to let your body recover from a neurological, muscular and joint perspective so that training doesn’t become an impossible chore due to overtraining.

Maintain drive

No matter how much you love training, whatever competition or sport you are involve in, or even if you just love training, you will have those periods, both long and short, when the thought of a training session is like a kick in the groin.

Taking a short time out from the gym will reignite your desire to get back in the kill it again!

In Part 1 I reminded you of the old saying “You don’t know what you’ve got ‘til it’s gone’. This applies to training as well!


The rest of this article assumes that you are someone who trains hard and has the physical and mental ability to put yourself on the floor in workouts through the extremely high work rate.

Joe Average who goes to the gym to do a bit of ‘this and that’ does not experience this even if he thinks he does. As a result he is able to go to the gym for 90 minutes every day and keep up the same level of intensity. This guy (or girl) does not need deload weeks, he needs someone to give him a slap round the face and show him what training should really feel like if he wants results.

First of all, none of this advice is cast in stone. A degree of trial and error over a period of months or even years will be required to discover what works for you.

Some people are able to deload every 5 or 6 weeks whereas others benefit more from deloading every 3 or 4 weeks. There is no right or wrong answer other than the one thrown up by experimentation on your part.

What isn’t up for discussion is that deloading from training must be done fully. In other words, don’t reduce the volume of weights lifted for example but replace those ‘lost’ sets with an extra 50% on your interval training.

There are many different ways to deload but here are my favourites, how they work and when I would be most likely to use them.

Volume Waves

I first learnt of this method from Eric Cressey in his book ‘Maximum Strength’

This method of deloading simply involves reducing the volume of training you are doing and can be applied to both lifting weights and ‘cardio’ training.

This isn’t just done for one week every so often, but follows a pre-planned schedule set out over 4-12 weeks.

Volume reduction is best achieved by simply reducing the number of reps performed in waves as discussed in Part 1.

High training volume can suppress endocrine (hormone) function thus reduce levels of growth hormone. Clearly this will restrict muscle growth, so high volume weeks should not be performed on a consistent basis.

A simple solution is to program high volume weeks followed by low volume recovery weeks when a rebound effect will occur bringing great gains in strength and muscle gain.
This table shows the classification of each training week and an example exercise from the training program.

Week 1 – High volume – Front squats – 5 x 4 reps (20 reps)
Week 2 – Medium volume – Front squats – 4 x 3 reps (12 reps)
Week 3 – Very high volume – Front squats – 6 x 4 reps (24 reps)
Week 4 – Low volume – Front squats – 3 x 3 reps (9 reps)


The weights lifted remain the same or even slightly greater week by week so the intensity remains roughly the same but the volume clearly drops. This maintains strength gains without accumulation of fatigue.

In Week 5 we start the process again with higher weights when you will notice significant gains.

Volume waves can be applied in slightly different ways so consider the following and experiment to see what works, always with the main goal in mind:

- Reduce the volume on the main lifts like squats, deadlifts, bench presses etc but maintain on supplemental work which doesn’t tax the nervous system so much to bring up weak areas. Exercises like overhead lunges and rotator cuff work can be maintained at roughly the same volume. I have talked in other articles about taking time out to step back in order to step forward much faster. Spending more time on assistance exercises for a week at a time, can do just that!

- You may even eliminate the low rep, circa 1RM work and simply perform repetition sets of say 3x15-20 with low weights on the low volume week. This can aid recovery by increasing blood flow to the muscles. This can work well but if you are chasing strength gains, maintaining momentum with the big lifts is crucial so keeping the weights lifted high but reducing reps is usually the best way forward.

If however the objective is muscle growth you may see a surge in results by stepping off the gas in terms of weight lifted and bringing in nutrients through increased blood flow.


New Exercise Deloading

This method involves taking every fourth week to learn and practice new exercises or progressions of exercises already perfected and can be easily-integrated to work with Volume Waves.

In Week 4, when you have more time on your hands due to reducing the volume of sets and reps being performed, you can start each session with technique practice of more advanced exercises.

This method is particularly good for beginners who have not yet advanced to the ‘bang for your buck’ exercises, provided they are training hard enough to warrant a ‘deload’ week.

This is often not the case as beginners lack the ability to maintain correct form for long enough to create sufficient fatigue to need extended periods of recovery. They may actually be the exception to the rule and require consistently high volume in order to program new movements and improve the quality of connective tissue which can be in a poor state in detrained or untrained individuals.

Competition or testing weeks

Any athlete, whether professional, amateur or novice, understands that training hard up to the day of an event, is performance suicide and, whether intentional or not, performs something of deload week prior to the event.

This event can be either an organised competition such as a half-marathon, triathlon, powerlifting meet or simply a 1 rep max test.

This type of deload is more commonly known as tapering and can take various forms.

Generally, the longer the duration of the event, the longer the tapering period should be.

For instance, marathon runners may be required to taper from 3 or 4 weeks prior to the event, whereas someone looking to break their PR in the squat may only take one deload week as discussed previously.

Let’s say you are looking to break your back squat record.

Weeks 1-3 will be focussed on increasing strength in the lift and specialising training to achieve that.

Week 4 is the deload week in which you will continue to lift but reduce the weights to enable greater focus on technique perfection.

Week 5 is test week when you should experience the ‘training rebound’ effect to bring about a new record in the lift on test day.

However, our amateur marathon runner may require a longer, more gradual deload or ‘taper’.

In this case, training volume might look like this:

Week 0 – Final test event
Week 1 – Low volume – 20 miles
Week 2 – Medium volume – 30-35 miles
Week 3 – High volume – 40-45 miles
Week 4 – High volume – 40-45 miles
Week 5 – Medium volume – 35 miles
Week 6 – Medium volume – 30 miles
Week 7 – Low volume – 15 miles
Week 8 – Minimal volume – 5 miles + RACE DAY


Remember, this is a solid template to work from.

Clearly some runners will run much more than this in a week, others cannot find time for this level but still want to do their best in competition.

Some will not tolerate 2 high volume weeks in a row so adjustments may be required and injuries or niggles will also be an important consideration.

The only way to answer this question is to use this as a guide then experiment over the months and years of competition.

As always listen to and monitor your body and the effects that the current training regime is having, both positive and negative.

This article will give you a great starting point to planning training programs and when to back off, ‘deload’ and come back firing on all cylinders.

I’m all for intense training and pushing limits but there needs to be a balance to enable these limits to truly be realised!

The first stages in all this are to firstly decide on firm training or competition goals with set dates, then reverse engineer them back to the starting date for the program.

Remember, be ready and willing to make adjustments but don’t lose faith in a program if no results are seen after a few days or a week. Give your body time to ride the wave, recover then ride the next one all the way to whatever goal you have set.

The first part of the article on 'Waves' can be found at my blog (Worlds Toughest Workouts)
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Old 10-13-2009, 08:35 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Jon,

You're missing the point of the forum. Come and read, answer questions, ask questions, pose discussions or even lead some, but we don't just have articles here.

You obviously have talent and know stuff. Come and be an active part of the community.
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From the outside, it almost seems like he's just trying to drive up his post count with articles/repeats of his blog posts until he can put in sig links. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I don't think he wants to discuss or engage. I hope I'm wrong.
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Although he did say he "...would be interested to hear what strategies you use whatever your goals". Reading comprehension is overrated, anyway.

Well OP, I think "deloading" is a crock of shit. Granted, I take days off (usually no more than 3, though). I've done this for years and I'm still improving.

I'm sure some people have to deload (sucks to be you), but I am developing quite nicely with only taking rest days.

tl;dr deloading is stupid, yo
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ding ding.

Ring side seats anyone?
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Although he did say he "...would be interested to hear what strategies you use whatever your goals". Reading comprehension is overrated, anyway.

Well OP, I think "deloading" is a crock of shit. Granted, I take days off (usually no more than 3, though). I've done this for years and I'm still improving.

I'm sure some people have to deload (sucks to be you), but I am developing quite nicely with only taking rest days.

tl;dr deloading is stupid, yo
Flumen, you can't compare yourself to we normals. You are a mutant from all the shit and chemicals you were bathed in at your sewer dept job.
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Flumen, you can't compare yourself to we normals. You are a mutant from all the shit and chemicals you were bathed in at your sewer dept job.
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Actually, there could be some truth in that statement. Intact testosterone and estrogens are and would be found in the waste water. Thus, just by working that job, I'm totally roided out.

unrelated; Dog, still pretty lean bud? If not, you have failed me.
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Actually, there could be some truth in that statement. Intact testosterone and estrogens are and would be found in the waste water. Thus, just by working that job, I'm totally roided out.

unrelated; Dog, still pretty lean bud? If not, you have failed me.
Oh yeah, leaner than ever!
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I don't deload in the traditional sense, but rather train light alot of the time. Eg. on the main movements, I'll only be shooting for PB's for 6 weeks out of every 12 or so weeks, so I'm below my PR's in half of my training sessions, and very far below them in most of those.

I think for a less advanced lifter, they should be training heavy more often though.

I pretty much never take days off, I hate not being in the gym, so instead I'd do an extremely light session instead.

And Fulmen, deloading/taking days off/going light is all the same thing really, so I guess deloading isn't a crock of shit, it just depends how you want to go about it.
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I don't deload in the traditional sense, but rather train light alot of the time. Eg. on the main movements, I'll only be shooting for PB's for 6 weeks out of every 12 or so weeks, so I'm below my PR's in half of my training sessions, and very far below them in most of those.

I think for a less advanced lifter, they should be training heavy more often though.

I pretty much never take days off, I hate not being in the gym, so instead I'd do an extremely light session instead.

And Fulmen, deloading/taking days off/going light is all the same thing really, so I guess deloading isn't a crock of shit, it just depends how you want to go about it.
Battling over semantics is half the fun, Simon. Don't be a killjoy, you bastard. PS im in ur closert stealin ur suits

Hell, as far as training and physically developing yourself is concerned, it's one of the most basic activities a person could do having e-authors and silly terminology/beliefs such as "functional" and "deloading" are ABSOLUTELY NEEDED.
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Hi guys,

First of all sorry if you think I'm just trying to drive links to my site. Yes it is part of the equation but I'm a little disappointed in the reaction to a quality article (in my opinion and many others) rather than some of the mindless drivel you find on these forums (any forums for that matter!) - just look at some of the comments in response to this - how is that going to help anyone learn / progress or learn about deloading and recovery, whatever you think of it?

I am willing to take part in / start constructive discussions and don't really see why such an article would cause a problem!

With regards to the actual post to brand it a crock of shit flies in the face of clear evidence from pretty much every expert I've ever read / studied whether it be regarding powerlifting, triathlon, running, kettlebell or any other training.

That's like saying Olympic athletes should be able to maintain their peak performance for their whole training career or even a whole season. Why does the NFL, English premier league or any other sports league not run all year round?

Hopefully we can have a constructive discussion about this!

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Highs need lows.

Deloading weeks are one way to do that. Not the only way, though. If you're not doing a periodization scheme based on weekly undulation, deloading is fairly redundant.
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Hi guys,

First of all sorry if you think I'm just trying to drive links to my site. Yes it is part of the equation but I'm a little disappointed in the reaction to a quality article (in my opinion and many others) rather than some of the mindless drivel you find on these forums (any forums for that matter!) -
My opinions only.

Maybe you don't know how you come across. You have no presence or history here and you post long blog-style articles without any preface it's like reading a giant non sequitur.

If you want to start a discussion then post in a manner that starts a discussion. Or how about replying to a thread that has serious questions instead of just slamming us with articles.

What you are doing comes off a little like walking into a room where people are having discussions, jumping up on a table, reading a speech and then leaving - and when you are called on it you say your speeches are better than most of the discussions taking place in the room.

If you want to point us to a blog post or article that you've written just for general interest - then there is a forum for that sort of thing. Jamie Hale, John Izzo and others do that all the time.

If you want feedback on the way your articles are constructed, you could ask for that as well. I'd say they try to be too much "one size fits all" or "universally applicable" to the extent that they read as not being to the point. If you have a site for content you don't have to try and get all of your points into one short article.
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Hi JonLeTocq, I really do appreciate your willingness to share your knowledge and experience, and I certainly don't want to discourage that in any way, but I must say I agree with Lisa's post above. I'd say she captured what is also my impression quite well, as it was from your first post of this nature. It did seem a bit like "the expert deigning to edify the plebians". A few of the more recent ... ah ... "youthful" responses not withstanding, I think you'll find that most of the regulars here are quite knowledgeable. Perhaps if a cognizance of this were just a bit more apparent in your posts, they would be better received. I'm sure it wasn't your intent, but that is a little how you came off. Again, however, thank you for your posts.
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With regards to the actual post to brand it a crock of shit flies in the face of clear evidence from pretty much every expert I've ever read / studied whether it be regarding powerlifting, triathlon, running, kettlebell or any other training.
Clear evidence? Experts?

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I don't give two shits about any titles except being hyooge and strong. As far as that kind of "training"-some like to call it bodybuilding, as I do; I even include running and lifting heavy shit. I guess I'll call it Runningpowerbuilding. Anyway, with basic bodybuilding, you don't need deloading. All you need is plenty of food and rest.

If you do need some fancy shit like "deloading", "muscle confusion" or all of that other bullshit you find on the internet, then maybe you're just not cut out for high level physical developement.

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Not one person can keep their peak performance in a linear fashion. Everyone has bad days. This doesn't mean that you need to deload-just lift as heavy as you can that day.

Now that begins a whole semantic argument that someone could call that deloading-you are using lighter weights after all-but the way people do what they call "deloading" (picking out a specific time to deload) is a crock full of shit.

What if it comes to the deload week, but I feel that I could go past a new PR? OH SHI- BETTER NOT IM IN MY DELOAD WEEK! Fuck that; I'll lift lighter only on my bad days.
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First of all sorry if you think I'm just trying to drive links to my site. Yes it is part of the equation but I'm a little disappointed in the reaction to a quality article (in my opinion and many others) rather than some of the mindless drivel you find on these forums (any forums for that matter!) - just look at some of the comments in response to this - how is that going to help anyone learn / progress or learn about deloading and recovery, whatever you think of it?

I am willing to take part in / start constructive discussions and don't really see why such an article would cause a problem!

With regards to the actual post to brand it a crock of shit ...
I enjoy your blog but this comes off very negatively. You're basically talking down to the entire forum and whinging about how you're being treated. You're being told that contributing to the forum is more than reposting your "authoritative" blog posts here and that's good advice you've been given. But you aren't listening.

BTW, no one that I can tell called it a "crock of shit" so you're really over-reacting.

If you stick around, it would be better to actually participate in some discussions that other people have started instead of preaching at people. I say this because I think you have something to contribute.

Just some friendly advice.
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Flumen called it a crock. And while Flumen is big and strong, most people here think he's big and strong despite himself.

Sorry, Flumen, but just because it works for you, doesn't mean you're right. It just means you're right about YOU.

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Jon, like I said earlier, be part of the forum. If you read around here, you'll see that you have plenty to offer on many of the questions asked around here.

I think most people buy into each of the "articles" you've posted here. But, because they are merely reposted blog entries and not discussions, there's no reason to comment on them.

BTW, I believe in deloads, backoff weeks, whatever you want to call them. I prefer for mine to be planned, but something always seems to take care of them before the planned deload (illness, work, kids, vacation, etc.) With life taking it's toll on my workout schedule, I rarely actually get to actually take a planned deload.
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I know people that compete in PL, strongman, kb sport, MMA etc... and they all use deloads - whether it be decreased volume or time off. And they keep getting stronger and better.

Wendler has deloads in 5/3/1, as does Cressey in his programs. And so on.

That said, modern "supplementation" and super demanding "arm days" probably negate the need for deloading.
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Old 10-14-2009, 10:34 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I'm not using deloads right now because I have a pretty strictly-planned (periodized lol) routine I'm doing. The light weeks are programmed in, so there's no point.

If I was "bodybuilding" (lol) I'd probably have some sort of daily undulating scheme that would likewise build in lighter training phases, though it wouldn't necessarily be a "deload" in the strict sense of "take a week of piss-easy training".

But sometimes that just feels good and does you better than LOL HARDCORE 4LYFE training.
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Old 10-14-2009, 10:56 PM   #22 (permalink)
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though it wouldn't necessarily be a "deload" in the strict sense of "take a week of piss-easy training".
Which I prefer to call it "take a week of piss-easy training". Hence me saying, "that begins a whole semantic argument that someone could call that deloading"

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But sometimes that just feels good and does you better than LOL HARDCORE 4LYFE training.
Totally agree, but don't say that shit at the Nation. They'll call you a pussy and a Level 0 (lawl inb4 banhammer again there).

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Flumen called it a crock. And while Flumen is big and strong, most people here think he's big and strong despite himself.
Which is wrong to think "despite himself". In other words, as you mentioned, I do what works for me and got results..sadly that pisses people off, especially when I dispense what I've learned as advice, even though all I advise is common sense, stick with the basics, and lift heavy shit consistently.

HOW THE FUCK CAN HE NOT DO CHIN UPS AND HAVE BIGGER ARMS


PS you're leaner than me Lost Dog..and you have a wolf shirt. you are winnar D:
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That said, modern "supplementation" and super demanding "arm days" probably negate the need for deloading.


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