I've been having some trouble with my deadlifts lately and was putting it down to grip. I realised this morning though that while I'm losing my grip, its not due to muscle failure but simply that the bar gets sweaty and slippery and slips out from my fingers. I went from 3 reps on my 4th set to 5 on my 5th just by wiping down the bar between sets this morning.
Since we dont have chalk in the gym, I figure the next best option is to use some workout gloves. I dont think it would have any negative impact (I still have to work grip/forearms to hold the weight as much). Just wondering if anyone would advise against it?
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Originally posted by BjsAust: [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Doesnt that hurt like hell?
Only for the first week or so depending on how often you pull, but after a while it becomes second nature.
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Originally posted by BjsAust: Ok, time to suck it up and try I guess. Deadlift once every 5 days.
You might want to do some barbell holds at the end of a fwe workouts just so you have more frequent exposure to it. Or use it when you do shrugs or something.
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Use the gloves if you think it will help you. It's not like there's a detriment to your progress if you do--provided that it is indeed the sweat that is limiting your performance as opposed to not having enough strength in your forearms. But with the gloves, you'll be able to figure that out since gloves don't artifically "increase" your strength (like straps or a hook grip would do).
I've had interesting experiences with deadlift gripping too.
First off, I was wearing gloves to begin with (for over a year). For a long while I was using straps on the heavier lifts. Then, at the advice of Gq and Danny, I started doing grip work, especially BB holds. My grip strength sky-rocketed and I started doing heavier and heavier lifts without straps. I soon bypassed my previous best on the deadlift without straps. Then (very recently) I also stopped wearing gloves. After a few blisters and one bloody barbell, I've grown callouses... and my grip strength hasn't gotten worse. The only difficulty I've had from wearing gloves is that the first couple weeks without made my palms hurt like a bitch (especially doing bb holds). But already that has passed, and 48 hours ago I pulled a personal record on the DL, no straps, no gloves, no chalk. Mixed grip.
Take from that what you will. The most important thing I learned from all of it is that BB holds are definitely worth it for any deadlifter, and that gloves don't hinder your "real" grip strength.
I didn't say anything about gloves hindering your grip. please read folks I was commenting on a hook grip which I perceived to be a glove with a hook on the inner palm. this would hinder strength ...as far as gloves where them if you want if you don't you'll have workers hands period.
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Originally posted by Philo_Beto: I didn't say anything about gloves hindering your grip. please read folks I was commenting on a hook grip which I perceived to be a glove with a hook on the inner palm. this would hinder strength ...as far as gloves where them if you want if you don't you'll have workers hands period.
A hook grip is just thumb under the fingers rather than over. It hurts like hell at first but most Oly lifters use it all the time.
Not really sure, I broke my first bottle in a horrible dumbell vs. workout bag fight and then moved to a gym tha allows chalk. It seems to last for a good while though.
Danny
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Looks cool. Only part i don't buy is it's a fraction of the cost of using chalk. For $8, I can get a LOT of chalk. 2oz of liquid wouldn't last as long as a 8 pack of 2oz bars of chalk which is about $10.
Danny, How long does it last? If I out it on, and did a complete workout, would it still work at the end of the workout (1hr)?
I use either an overhand or a mixed grip (not hooked) for my DL's. Other than occasional problems with sweaty palms/bars, my grip strength seems to be relatively well balanced with my DL strength (which isn't necessarily saying much). But if I'm going to take it up a notch or two, I'm going to have to improve both ends of the equation.
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BB holds are simply picking up a heavy barbell and holding it (think getting to the top of a deadlift and not going back down again for 30 seconds).
A hook grip as explained is putting your fingers outside your thumb instead of the other way around, which means you're squeezing your thumb against the the bar with as much force as it takes to pull your dealift up. I tried it once for kicks and agreed with the people who said it hurts [img]tongue.gif[/img] .
I like my callouses, but my GF isnt such a huge fan of them .
Its all about how gently you use your rugged hands [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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It's okay to wear gloves...and by the way the pink dumbbells are over there sweetie.
Prior to engaging your favorite championship wrestling move with your significant other, swipe her emery board (the thing she uses on her nails) and smooth out your calluses so as not to scrape her oh, so delicate female parts else no nookey for Vlad the Impailer.
straps, I have to use straps when I do deads. I am not a power lifter so I am not to worried about the grip thing. If you are not worried about power lifting then I would suggest straps.
GH, I used to be in that same frame of mind up until a year ago. I pulled 410 last night with zero gear other than chalk. Last year, I had a hard time holding onto 315. Not saying straps are bad as they are not. Just try to mix it up a bit and go strapless at times. I think you will like the end result. What I found is I was using the straps for my max, and using no straps for my rep work. Grip got strong really fast without any additional work like Barbell holds and what-not. Now, they hang in my gym and add decor!
I don't use gloves as a matter of personal preference, but then my hands are beat up and my grip is strong from rock climbing, so it's not an issue.
I have noticed, since beginning climbing again, that grip is no longer an issue on the deads.
Another old trick is to use towels or tape wrapped on the bar to build your grip strength. Start with a towel wrapped around once. Gradually increase thickness as your forearm strength increases.
Thanks man, I dont use straps my whole workout, just when I get up 315 and heavier, I just cant hold it for reps, so I got straps. I have the same problem when I do shrugs, need the straps when I get heavy.
Thing is I want big strong forearms and kickass grip strength . Not for powerlifting, just thats the kind of thing that is more likely to come in handy in day to day life than most other stuff we work on. Like I say, I dont think its grip strength, its purely a slippage thing on a sweaty bar. I'll try to get through the hook grip initiation period, but if I'm a soft candyass girl then I'll resort to gloves .
Originally posted by bryanc: Use the gloves if you think it will help you. It's not like there's a detriment to your progress if you do--provided that it is indeed the sweat that is limiting your performance as opposed to not having enough strength in your forearms. But with the gloves, you'll be able to figure that out since gloves don't artifically "increase" your strength (like straps or a hook grip would do).
Hmm, wait. Just reread this. You're saying a hook grip artifically increases grip strength? So if forearm/grip strength is a goal of mine I'd be better not using it and infact go with gloves?
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