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Old 06-17-2009, 07:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey I'm going on vacation soon and I can't run or jump rope because I hurt my knee. I also can't bike because I won't have access to one. There's no pool so the only potential swimming option (which is unlikely due to weather) is the ocean , not to mention that I've never swam for cardio before so I probably couldn't do it very effectively for too long

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Hey I'm going on vacation soon and I can't run or jump rope because I hurt my knee. I also can't bike because I won't have access to one. There's no pool so the only potential swimming option (which is unlikely due to weather) is the ocean , not to mention that I've never swam for cardio before so I probably couldn't do it very effectively for too long

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Is there any chance that you might be able to rent a bike while on vacation?

Rowing?
Water jogging?
Walking on the beach?
Walking in the surf (extra resistance)?
Rollerblading (possibly rent those, as well)?
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Is there any chance that you might be able to rent a bike while on vacation?

Rowing?
Water jogging?
Walking on the beach?
Walking in the surf (extra resistance)?
Rollerblading (possibly rent those, as well)?
I can possibly rent a bike, but it's going to be a beach cruiser or something lol. I don't know what kind of cardio that is really gonna provide in relation to my road bike or a stationary bike?
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Try searching for bodyweight exercises - pushups, squats, lunges, etc. Make a circuit out of them.
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Or enjoy your vacation. Don't go crazy pigging out or depriving yourself, just use moderation. Then when you get back - recommit
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Kuri means walking! Holidays are great for walking around a new environment, seeing spectacular sights and burning the calories while you're doing it
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Yes, but I can't run, which I already stated.
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My life right now doesn't give me enough time for more than three workouts, which are all resistance training workouts. No cardio to speak of, and I'm leaner than ever before.

The secret is to eat less food when you can't do more work. Personally, I don't like tiny meals, so I drop my least favorite meal (breakfast) and have normal lunch, dinner, etc.

Like Kuri said, use your feet and walk a lot. Grab a cup of coffee instead of breakfast and take a long touristy walk.
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Yes, but I can't run, which I already stated.
I understand that you can't run, that's why Kuri suggested that you walk. Walking IS a great form of cardio which is often underrated.
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I understand that you can't run, that's why Kuri suggested that you walk. Walking IS a great form of cardio which is often underrated.
Walking I guess can replace my normal cardio as a last option, so maybe I'll do that. However, it is by no means a GREAT form of cardio. I can burn the same amount of calories biking/running in about 15 minutes than I would burn walking for an hour. I guess it's better than nothing though . I'll probably bring some resistance bands and just do a circuit or something.

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My life right now doesn't give me enough time for more than three workouts, which are all resistance training workouts. No cardio to speak of, and I'm leaner than ever before.

The secret is to eat less food when you can't do more work. Personally, I don't like tiny meals, so I drop my least favorite meal (breakfast) and have normal lunch, dinner, etc.

Like Kuri said, use your feet and walk a lot. Grab a cup of coffee instead of breakfast and take a long touristy walk.
I don't really agree with this advice at all. Yes, if you're working out less you should eat less, but not if it means you aren't eating enough food and are going to slow progress. And it especially should never mean to skip breakfast. That's easily the most important meal of the day.
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Walking I guess can replace my normal cardio as a last option, so maybe I'll do that. However, it is by no means a GREAT form of cardio. I can burn the same amount of calories biking/running in about 15 minutes than I would burn walking for an hour. I guess it's better than nothing though . I'll probably bring some resistance bands and just do a circuit or something.


I don't really agree with this advice at all. Yes, if you're working out less you should eat less, but not if it means you aren't eating enough food and are going to slow progress. And it especially should never mean to skip breakfast. That's easily the most important meal of the day.
I would suggest reading the forums a lot more... you're shooting down some really good advice from some very wise members... Just because something's been repeated in the mainstream doesn't mean it's true (breakfast). And burning more calories in less time has some negative side effects for many people...
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I would suggest reading the forums a lot more... you're shooting down some really good advice from some very wise members... Just because something's been repeated in the mainstream doesn't mean it's true (breakfast). And burning more calories in less time has some negative side effects for many people...
Thanks. I haven't read much on here, but I've read on other forums, and I know a lot from other ways also. I'm not just shooting down advice, simply disagreeing. Maybe walking is good for some people, but you it's also not right to go around saying it's great cardio.

I do realize that there is a lot of anecdotal advice out there with not much truth to it, however, breakfast being important is not one of them. Sure if you eat less calories for the day than you burn, you'll lose weight. That's given. But breakfast still remains the most important meal and you're still keeping your metabolism at a very slow rate if you wait until later on in the day to eat. You wouldn't go 12+ hours during the day without eating, so why go that long at any other time?

Out of curiosity, why do you think burning more calories in less time has negative effects for "many people" ?
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LIG, What are your disagreements based on?

It sounds like you've read some common but uninformed advice. If you can't run then DON'T. I see more clients get jacked up because they are convinced they need to do "cardio" and end up doing more harm than good. I spend more time convincing people not to "burn more calories with cardio" then I care to admit. And when they start listening they suddenly start making progress. Funny how that works.

As Roland suggested get out for some long, fun walks and enjoy your vacation.
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My disagreement with breakfast not being important is based on what I said before. Your metabolism is still slow and you wouldn't wait that long to eat during the day, so why do it after you wake up? Not to mention that most people (not all) are more likely to overeat if they skip breakfast.

I'm not going to run if I know it's going to hurt, which is why I was looking for something else to do. I disagree with walking being "great" simply because of the fact that it takes so long to burn the same calories you can burn in a shorter amount of time. There's nothing wrong with walking, it just shouldn't be classified as "great" cardio, that's all.
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Thanks. I haven't read much on here, but I've read on other forums, and I know a lot from other ways also. I'm not just shooting down advice, simply disagreeing. Maybe walking is good for some people, but you it's also not right to go around saying it's great cardio.
I agree with you. Timewise walking is probably the largest component of my fitness program but it never gets included in the cardio ledger. Benefits for me are mainly postural, better than driving, keep the leg joints supplied with synovial fluid, burn time which would be used for other things, enjoy the city, etc.

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I do realize that there is a lot of anecdotal advice out there with not much truth to it, however, breakfast being important is not one of them. Sure if you eat less calories for the day than you burn, you'll lose weight. That's given. But breakfast still remains the most important meal and you're still keeping your metabolism at a very slow rate if you wait until later on in the day to eat. You wouldn't go 12+ hours during the day without eating, so why go that long at any other time?
Yes...I was surprised by this as well. Breakfast and lunch are the most important for me because they will supply the energy for the evening workout where I will get so tired that I'm not hungry (may not happen for everyone). Dinner/after workout meals are the ones I skip (even though I surprisingly heard on this board that it will turn my muscles to mush.....haven't heard that before but I suppose a study exists).
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My disagreement with breakfast not being important is based on what I said before. Your metabolism is still slow and you wouldn't wait that long to eat during the day, so why do it after you wake up? Not to mention that most people (not all) are more likely to overeat if they skip breakfast.

I'm not going to run if I know it's going to hurt, which is why I was looking for something else to do. I disagree with walking being "great" simply because of the fact that it takes so long to burn the same calories you can burn in a shorter amount of time. There's nothing wrong with walking, it just shouldn't be classified as "great" cardio, that's all.
I lost 110 lbs in 6 months going from 345 to a 235 (37" waist, 47" chest at 6'3") in 2002. I did it by eating better, lifting and walking 45 minutes per day 4 days per week. I've maintained this recomposition for 6 years now. I also realize that this is anecdotal.

My response was to used the term "great" to emphasis that you can get around your limitations (equipment and injury); it was more to say "you can always walk". It's fine that you disagree and I'll respect that. I also respect that other members in this forum have had similar successes doing things a bit differently than I did. While I don't retract my personal belief that walking is outstanding exercise, I do retract my usage of the term "great" to place a classification on cardio. It was, after all, just an opinion, not a statement of fact. I put too much emphasis in my post.

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Out of curiosity, why do you think burning more calories in less time has negative effects for "many people" ?
I used to be a big fan of HIIT and getting the most calories burned in the least amount of time... but I learned that the recovery required for that intensity of workout was more than I could handle. I would either get injured or just feel bad, or most often I'd overeat to compensate. My diet compliance went to hell on HIIT and metabolic workouts. My daily movement bottomed out (I would just sit on my ass when I wasn't at the gym cuz I was so tired). It wasn't a decision to sit around and overeat, it was just an amazingly strong exhaustion and hunger that was stirred up by that type of workout.

I have lost more and actually spared most of my lean mass by learning a "less is more" workout philosophy. My cardio is much less, I walk a lot more, I move around more, I lift lower volume but heavier weights... and I'm doing much better. I am just one of many on this forum who've had similar experiences.

Some people do great on high intensity stuff and can handle it (or they don't require as much recovery), but if you can't run, don't rule out other ways to get the job done
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You can also eat less by eating less at each meal. You don't need to cut out breakfast by doing that.

The circuit with bands sound like the best way to go for you. Something similar to barbell complexes will get the heart going.
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are there any stairs? you can walk/run the stairs going up and down if that does not hurt your knee. There are also knee protection things you can wear when you do your cardio. I have seen plenty of people including basketball, soccer, softball, etc. players wear them for knee stability when doing an activity.

you can also do cardio kickboxing (making up your own moves mixed with self defense, karate, boxing, etc). All you need is your arms and legs (nothing else).
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My disagreement with breakfast not being important is based on what I said before. Your metabolism is still slow and you wouldn't wait that long to eat during the day, so why do it after you wake up? Not to mention that most people (not all) are more likely to overeat if they skip breakfast.
It's certainly what the media, govt, agencies, organizations, etc. tend to say about breakfast. Regular meals, not skipping meals, breaking the fast quickly, etc has been the popular stance for a while. Doesn't mean it's true.

There are studies that show that brief periods of fasting (or longer) doesn't slow your metabolism, and also positively effects insulin sensitivity, etc.

Eat, Stop, Eat, The Primal Blueprint, etc are all books that talk about "intermittent fasting" and it's benefits. Or, at the very least, the lack of negatives about IF. You shouldn't be afraid to skip a meal. You might not want to, but it's not doing any harm other than making your stomach growl.


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I'm not going to run if I know it's going to hurt, which is why I was looking for something else to do. I disagree with walking being "great" simply because of the fact that it takes so long to burn the same calories you can burn in a shorter amount of time. There's nothing wrong with walking, it just shouldn't be classified as "great" cardio, that's all.
I agree that walking isn't "great cardio." Mostly, cardio is overrated. It's easier to eat 400 calories too much than it is to burn off 400 calories via exercise. I suggest a happy medium, of which walking can be a part. Eat less and walk more. 200 and 200, maybe.
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I lost 110 lbs in 6 months going from 345 to a 235 (37" waist, 47" chest at 6'3") in 2002. I did it by eating better, lifting and walking 45 minutes per day 4 days per week. I've maintained this recomposition for 6 years now. I also realize that this is anecdotal.

My response was to used the term "great" to emphasis that you can get around your limitations (equipment and injury); it was more to say "you can always walk". It's fine that you disagree and I'll respect that. I also respect that other members in this forum have had similar successes doing things a bit differently than I did. While I don't retract my personal belief that walking is outstanding exercise, I do retract my usage of the term "great" to place a classification on cardio. It was, after all, just an opinion, not a statement of fact. I put too much emphasis in my post.

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you can also do cardio kickboxing (making up your own moves mixed with self defense, karate, boxing, etc). All you need is your arms and legs (nothing else).
Stairs are the worst on it, so that's out. I also don't know exactly what's wrong with it, so I don't know what kind of brace I need. What it comes down to is that I really just need to see a doctor before using it in any way again, so for right now, I don't want to risk running at all.

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It's certainly what the media, govt, agencies, organizations, etc. tend to say about breakfast. Regular meals, not skipping meals, breaking the fast quickly, etc has been the popular stance for a while. Doesn't mean it's true.

There are studies that show that brief periods of fasting (or longer) doesn't slow your metabolism, and also positively effects insulin sensitivity, etc.

Eat, Stop, Eat, The Primal Blueprint, etc are all books that talk about "intermittent fasting" and it's benefits. Or, at the very least, the lack of negatives about IF. You shouldn't be afraid to skip a meal. You might not want to, but it's not doing any harm other than making your stomach growl.
I don't agree with that. Like I said, it won't affect weight loss if total calories in are less than calories out, but I still think it has an effect on metabolism. I can't provide you with an exact study right now, but it's common sense. In order for catabolism to occur and energy to be made, the body needs some type of nutrient to make it. No food = no catabolism = no energy or fat loss. Skipping a meal here or there won't hurt you, of course, but repeatedly skipping breakfast is probably having a negative effect. The fact that it makes your stomach growl is a negative effect in itself, don't you think?
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I don't agree with that. Like I said, it won't affect weight loss if total calories in are less than calories out, but I still think it has an effect on metabolism. I can't provide you with an exact study right now, but it's common sense. In order for catabolism to occur and energy to be made, the body needs some type of nutrient to make it. No food = no catabolism = no energy or fat loss. Skipping a meal here or there won't hurt you, of course, but repeatedly skipping breakfast is probably having a negative effect. The fact that it makes your stomach growl is a negative effect in itself, don't you think?
It only growled for the first week, while I was expecting food on a regular basis. Once I got used to irregular meals, that stopped.

As for energy vs catabolism... fat, muscle, glycogen, etc are all stored energy, waiting to be used. If we don't give our body food, it has to draw energy from somewhere.

Anyway, it took most of us here a long time to accept that skipping a meal, not eating 6 times a day, skipping breakfast, etc were bad for us. That was the tried and true for years, and it's still taught in lots of books and people are having success living that way. But, there are also many people here who've relaxed on that and had good success on IF-style eating.

Here's an interested read in IF if you're interested. http://alanaragon.com/an-objective-l...t-fasting.html
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It only growled for the first week, while I was expecting food on a regular basis. Once I got used to irregular meals, that stopped.

As for energy vs catabolism... fat, muscle, glycogen, etc are all stored energy, waiting to be used. If we don't give our body food, it has to draw energy from somewhere.

Anyway, it took most of us here a long time to accept that skipping a meal, not eating 6 times a day, skipping breakfast, etc were bad for us. That was the tried and true for years, and it's still taught in lots of books and people are having success living that way. But, there are also many people here who've relaxed on that and had good success on IF-style eating.

Here's an interested read in IF if you're interested. http://alanaragon.com/an-objective-l...t-fasting.html
I'll read it if I get a chance. I'm really busy now though, studying for DAT =/ . I totally agree that you don't need 6 meals a day and everything. That still doesn't change the fact that your metabolism isn't working as hard when there's no food. And as you said, the body must take energy from somewhere. If you don't have enough food in you, it starts breaking down muscle for energy. Not that it would happen from skipping one meal during the day, but just saying. Thanks for the article
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Old 06-19-2009, 11:02 AM   #29 (permalink)
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It only growled for the first week, while I was expecting food on a regular basis. Once I got used to irregular meals, that stopped.

As for energy vs catabolism... fat, muscle, glycogen, etc are all stored energy, waiting to be used. If we don't give our body food, it has to draw energy from somewhere.

Anyway, it took most of us here a long time to accept that skipping a meal, not eating 6 times a day, skipping breakfast, etc were bad for us. That was the tried and true for years, and it's still taught in lots of books and people are having success living that way. But, there are also many people here who've relaxed on that and had good success on IF-style eating.

Here's an interested read in IF if you're interested. http://alanaragon.com/an-objective-l...t-fasting.html
Roland, I had a friend that used Intermittent Fasting with a very high level of success. He had about 10 lbs of very stubborn fat to lose and he looked great once he did. He also maintained a very good level of strength. It actually became a way of life for him once he lost the weight. He has a ton of energy.

I know there's different approaches. He did something called Fast 5.
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STOP. You have no clue as to what you are talking about. Read more, talk less.
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