STOP. You have no clue as to what you are talking about. Read more, talk less.
Settle down. I do know what I'm talking about. It's normal physiology. Where does your body get energy from if you don't eat? Fat stores, then when those are gone, muscle. Here ya go. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...i?artid=436668
Thanks for the link. Interesting article. What I take from it is that no glucose in the bloodstream after a workout and then falling asleep is not a good idea (because the muscles will deliver necessary amino acids to the blood at an accelerated rate). They observed that this behaviour slows down for extended starvation.
My Conclusion: eat fruit or drink fruit juices after work out
Boy I'm having trouble typing today. I think my previous attempts are in cyberspace but if duplicates show up I apologize in advance.
One observation here the pubmed article LifeisGoOd posted is from 1976. Alan's article was written in 2007 and includes 50 references to more current research most of which are dated 2000 and later. I for one absolutely do not want to be making health care decisions based on one piece of 32 year old research. I don't personally do IF but there's a lot of current research that supports it. As an example of how new research can dramatically change treatment and old views look at how much the pendulum has swung over the years regarding the use of hormone replacement in menopause. It pays to keep an open mind and recognize that things change or that there are multiple paths to the same goals.
Also, for the original poster am I correct here that you have an injury that is severe enough to markedly curtail your preferred activity but you haven't been to a dr yet? Walking is "not good cardio"? Did it ever occur to you that your definition of good cardio may be the worst thing you could do right now? If you don't know what's wrong with your knee how do you know that more vigorous activity won't aggravate your injury? Heck you don't even know if increased walking is ok for your knee. I'm a nurse. Do you know how many people I've seen that have put themselves in a situation where their injury took months to heal or even ended up in the OR instead of the few days or weeks it might have if they had actually taken a little time for rest, recovery, and made sure they had adequate nutrition and calories for healing? Believe me it happens all too often. More is not always better especially when you're injured. I think you need to rethink your priorities here. Maybe your priority right now should be more about giving your body what it needs to heal and not on maintaining the activity that burns the most calories.
When I read this thread here's what I get.
The OP asked about options for a short term vacation where there were limited choices (either equipment or injury concerns) and there was some concern expressed about calorie burn.
Most people tried to answer according to the original question - for a vacation you can always just build in more walking and watch your calories - even if you substitute a beach walk for breakfast some of the time. It's a vacation for goodness sake.
These situational suggestions seemed to then be taken as if they were extended program recommendations, which I did not read them as at all.
I didn't read any one as saying "skip breakfast on all days in all situations for all time" - it was more if you are on vacation, short term, it is a simple way to control your calories - a "you can skip breakfast and eat brunch and dinner" sort of thing.
I didn't read any one as saying "walking is the best exercise ever for all situations" it was more like given the limited options available based on location & the injury it might be the best solution available. That is - it is a vacation, just walk around more and enjoy yourself and worry about 'cardio' when you get back.
When I read this thread here's what I get.
The OP asked about options for a short term vacation where there were limited choices (either equipment or injury concerns) and there was some concern expressed about calorie burn.
Most people tried to answer according to the original question - for a vacation you can always just build in more walking and watch your calories - even if you substitute a beach walk for breakfast some of the time. It's a vacation for goodness sake.
These situational suggestions seemed to then be taken as if they were extended program recommendations, which I did not read them as at all.
I didn't read any one as saying "skip breakfast on all days in all situations for all time" - it was more if you are on vacation, short term, it is a simple way to control your calories - a "you can skip breakfast and eat brunch and dinner" sort of thing.
I didn't read any one as saying "walking is the best exercise ever for all situations" it was more like given the limited options available based on location & the injury it might be the best solution available. That is - it is a vacation, just walk around more and enjoy yourself and worry about 'cardio' when you get back.
That wasn't a short term skip breakfast thing. Someone said they never eat breakfast.
Also, someone said that walking is great cardio. We cleared that up earlier though.
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Also, for the original poster am I correct here that you have an injury that is severe enough to markedly curtail your preferred activity but you haven't been to a dr yet? Walking is "not good cardio"? Did it ever occur to you that your definition of good cardio may be the worst thing you could do right now? If you don't know what's wrong with your knee how do you know that more vigorous activity won't aggravate your injury? Heck you don't even know if increased walking is ok for your knee. I'm a nurse. Do you know how many people I've seen that have put themselves in a situation where their injury took months to heal or even ended up in the OR instead of the few days or weeks it might have if they had actually taken a little time for rest, recovery, and made sure they had adequate nutrition and calories for healing? Believe me it happens all too often. More is not always better especially when you're injured. I think you need to rethink your priorities here. Maybe your priority right now should be more about giving your body what it needs to heal and not on maintaining the activity that burns the most calories.
I do know that things that don't include running are far from the worst thing I could do right now. Nothing aggrivates it except running. I've rested my knee for months, and tried allowing it to heal, but that didn't happen. I know that I need to see a doctor, but that doesn't mean that I can't do other things. I only need to avoid what hurts it, which is running. My mom and my aunt are both nurses also, but thanks for the input.
Sorry that wasn't the right article and I can't find the one I wanted anymore. You are right about the really old research. I don't blame you. Forget about that part.
I've actually changed my travel habits so that I try to book at a hotel with a fitness center and/or running trails. But when I can't, I usually:
Cardio:
run the stairs (not an option for a lot of people)
ask the concierge where a safe place to run/walk would be
find a local shopping mall to walk
strength:
I'll do 3-4 supersets of the following:
max rep push ups (standard, or feet on a chair)
one-legged lunges
curls with a full briefcase (my case can actually get to about 25 pounds if I stuff enough in it and my laptop etc.
lateral shoulder raises with briefcase
crunches
i haven't found a good way to hit my back on the road without a gym.
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LifeIsGood - are you set on rejecting every bit of help that people have been trying to give to you?
Apparently what is OPTIMAL is not POSSIBLE.
So, compromise.
Not at all. I'm just responding to what is being said. i.e. Dianas implied that I really don't know what I'm talking about and I should just rest, without any knowledge as to anything about my injury. All I did was clarify the situation.
I don't mean to reject everything by any means, but I don't need to accept everything that is said either. I tend to question everything, which I don't see as a bad thing.
And for someone like me, walking is really not going to get me anywhere, I can't run so the suggestion to run up stairs was out, I won't be able to rent a bike, etc. It's just the reality of the situation and I apologize to anyone who was offended or sees in differently.
Settle down. I do know what I'm talking about. It's normal physiology. Where does your body get energy from if you don't eat? Fat stores, then when those are gone, muscle. Here ya go. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...i?artid=436668
Enlighten me as to what's incorrect about that.
I don't think it's that easy, but personally, I'd like to draw from my fat stores until they are gone. THEN have breakfast.
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I forgot to ask you in my previous post, what approach is it that you're taking?
I mostly skip breakfast almost every day and I sometimes skip all the way until dinner. Once I eat for the day, I need to keep eating. It only works for me if I don't start eating after I wake up and just go until either lunch or dinner.
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That wasn't a short term skip breakfast thing. Someone said they never eat breakfast.
That was me. ...and it's true for me, but I only meant for you to use it as a tool on your vacation.
do you have any trigger points in your quads or your abductors, adductors, hamstrings, or glutes or maybe calves? See if foam rolling those muscles (loosening them up) will help with your knee. Also, roll your calves as well. Just don't roll over your knee. If rolling the muscles surrounding the knee do not work, then something else is wrong and you have to go see a doctor. Sometimes knee pain comes from tightness (knotts) in muscles around the knee (especially the TFL).
If I go to the ocean for a week's vacation I drink beer, eat meat and lay on the beach. It's vacation.......don't worry about doing cardio.
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do you have any trigger points in your quads or your abductors, adductors, hamstrings, or glutes or maybe calves? See if foam rolling those muscles (loosening them up) will help with your knee. Also, roll your calves as well. Just don't roll over your knee. If rolling the muscles surrounding the knee do not work, then something else is wrong and you have to go see a doctor. Sometimes knee pain comes from tightness (knotts) in muscles around the knee (especially the TFL).
If I remember correctly, you're a junior college student, and not a trainer or physical therapist. You're not qualified to give this type of advice, just like I'm not, so stop giving it.
all the other members are doing it, so I feel I can do the same as well. I know I am not a trainer or PT, but I do know quite a bit from researching the internet. Thats where I get my info and thats how I learn things. theres nothing wrong with what I said because pain may come from a muscle being tight, which has proven to be true with some peoples situations. I have never been injured before in my life due to learning stuff on the internet. This message is coming from someone (me) that has never been injured before. Stop picking on one person. You are not saying this to anyone else that is giving advice on what to try. Massaging muscles with the roller will not hurt people's knee at all unless they roll over the knee. The only thing it can do is make the knee feel better with knotts getting released or be the same. Everyone knows that if there is pain doing something, stop right away.
I am trying to save the person from waisting money on a doctor if it is knotts (trigger points) from a muscle being tight or out of alignment. Doctors want your money and they will want to give pain killers to ease the pain instead of fix the situation right away like chiropractors due in some situations. A doctor would say "sugery" and a good well qualified full body adjustment chiropractor with tons of experience would say "out of alignment, fix it, and then no more pain". I had that problem with my shoulder where I had trouble throwing when something came out of alignment and the chiropractor that my pilates teacher recommended and so many great reviews from students got rid of the pain in one session. A doctor would have gave me pain mediciation and tell me to ice and all the other stuff they would do. Also a good chiropractor would be honest and say "I cant fix that, you have to see a doctor for that". It only takes one session to get everything back to normal with a good chiropractor. I have known people who did not have to get knee sugery after getting fixed by the same chiropractor I go to. I have also known people that thought they could never walk again and the chiropractor was able to fix them. Doctors are not aways right. PT's are also not always right. Chiropractors are also not always right. You dont want to be spending money on sugery that can easily be fixed by a minor chiropractor adjustment right?
I do anything to keep away from doctors because they are expensive. way more expensive than chiropractors, massage therapists, and foam rollers. My experience has taught me that and it has also taught me that before spending money to see anyone, to get recommendations from a bunch of people that have seen that doctor, massager, chiropractor, PT, or whoever you are planning to see. Its all about saving money and healing fast and getting rid of pain ASAP, especially these days now that the US is losing money due to that BUSH dude.
Based on my experience, I would say that massage on own first & look up problem and see what others have to say and read the fastest way for healing, chiropractor 2nd, PT third (eric cressey if you can or bill hartman), doctor 4th.
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You cannot say whos advice is better until LifeisGGOOD says so. Whatever works for him/her is the best advice. If she/he tries my advice with the foam rolling and trigger points (seeing if thats why there is knee pain) and then the knee pain goes away, then my advice is better. Don't say anything until he/she says it. If mine don't work and yours dont work, then no ones advice is better than the other. next option would be probably Eric Cressey or Bill Hartman (recommending a good PT or chiropractor in he/she area) and then if no improvement, doctor is nexed.
A good chiropractor is hard to find though and it seems like its very rare of finding a good chiropractor. I was just lucky. Not everyone lives in southern california or can fly down to long beach to see the one I see.
Moon I know your wicked nice and just helping the dude but I thinks mabey lostdog has a good thought that sometimes its good to mabey let the pros give the advice cuz their pros and they got the training to know what they're advice should mabey be. I know you can mabey make a good guess cuz your wicked knowledgeful but its someting just to thinks about.
Hey I'm going on vacation soon and I can't run or jump rope because I hurt my knee. I also can't bike because I won't have access to one. There's no pool so the only potential swimming option (which is unlikely due to weather) is the ocean , not to mention that I've never swam for cardio before so I probably couldn't do it very effectively for too long
Suggestions?
I was a lake recently, decided to swim some for some cardio, after about four total minutes I would have drowned if I didn't hurry up and swim back to the shore...swimming is an excellent source of aerobic exercise.
Generally speaking, I'd just go have fun in the ocean, walking against that resistance should do good for your knee and it should have you burning calories. Just have fun, it's vacation. Give your knee time to recuperate.
all the other members are doing it, so I feel I can do the same as well. I know I am not a trainer or PT, but I do know quite a bit from researching the internet. Thats where I get my info and thats how I learn things. theres nothing wrong with what I said because pain may come from a muscle being tight, which has proven to be true with some peoples situations. I have never been injured before in my life due to learning stuff on the internet. This message is coming from someone (me) that has never been injured before. Stop picking on one person. You are not saying this to anyone else that is giving advice on what to try. Massaging muscles with the roller will not hurt people's knee at all unless they roll over the knee. The only thing it can do is make the knee feel better with knotts getting released or be the same. Everyone knows that if there is pain doing something, stop right away.
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Actually, people are warned all the time for that.
The difference between you and many of the other people giving advice, is that you prescribe things like you know you're right and with a level of confidence that makes new people here think you're someone to listen to. But you're often wrong and just don't know it.
In this case, he never said anything other than he hurt his knee. Where does it hurt? How long ago? Swelling? Did he hear or feel a pop or tear? Bruising? What's the level of pain? We don't know any of this, and neither do you. Therefore, random foam rolling and release of "trigger points" is not good advice, if only because he might actually do it, gain some confidence to try his knee out again, and get hurt even worse.
...and why are chiropractors and physical therapists any less nefarious than doctors? Maybe they just have you fooled and charge less to suck you dry more slowly...
Based on you experience, I would stop giving injury advice.
I will do you one better than that. I am telling you in NOT to give advice on injuries. The anonymity of the internet, your high post count, and the tone in which you write may suggest to new members that you have some degree of expertise in this area, which you do not.
I have asked you directly in PMs the past not to do this, and yet you persist. SO I will give you one more warning and a week to think it over.
You have been banned until 06-27-2009 04:00 PM
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all the other members are doing it, so I feel I can do the same as well. I know I am not a trainer or PT, but I do know quite a bit from researching the internet. Thats where I get my info and thats how I learn things. theres nothing wrong with what I said because pain may come from a muscle being tight, which has proven to be true with some peoples situations. I have never been injured before in my life due to learning stuff on the internet. This message is coming from someone (me) that has never been injured before. Stop picking on one person. You are not saying this to anyone else that is giving advice on what to try. Massaging muscles with the roller will not hurt people's knee at all unless they roll over the knee. The only thing it can do is make the knee feel better with knotts getting released or be the same. Everyone knows that if there is pain doing something, stop right away.
I am trying to save the person from waisting money on a doctor if it is knotts (trigger points) from a muscle being tight or out of alignment. Doctors want your money and they will want to give pain killers to ease the pain instead of fix the situation right away like chiropractors due in some situations. A doctor would say "sugery" and a good well qualified full body adjustment chiropractor with tons of experience would say "out of alignment, fix it, and then no more pain". I had that problem with my shoulder where I had trouble throwing when something came out of alignment and the chiropractor that my pilates teacher recommended and so many great reviews from students got rid of the pain in one session. A doctor would have gave me pain mediciation and tell me to ice and all the other stuff they would do. Also a good chiropractor would be honest and say "I cant fix that, you have to see a doctor for that". It only takes one session to get everything back to normal with a good chiropractor. I have known people who did not have to get knee sugery after getting fixed by the same chiropractor I go to. I have also known people that thought they could never walk again and the chiropractor was able to fix them. Doctors are not aways right. PT's are also not always right. Chiropractors are also not always right. You dont want to be spending money on sugery that can easily be fixed by a minor chiropractor adjustment right?
I do anything to keep away from doctors because they are expensive. way more expensive than chiropractors, massage therapists, and foam rollers. My experience has taught me that and it has also taught me that before spending money to see anyone, to get recommendations from a bunch of people that have seen that doctor, massager, chiropractor, PT, or whoever you are planning to see. Its all about saving money and healing fast and getting rid of pain ASAP, especially these days now that the US is losing money due to that BUSH dude.
Based on my experience, I would say that massage on own first & look up problem and see what others have to say and read the fastest way for healing, chiropractor 2nd, PT third (eric cressey if you can or bill hartman), doctor 4th.
Number one, I and probably everyone else on here, has been injured before. That doesn't mean you know how to fix it. Number two, I haven't been on here very long so I don't know what the other members are referring to (in regards to your bad advice), but next time, if you want to be that specific with advice, state that you aren't an MD or PT BEFORE you give the suggestion, not after. Number three, I really resent this entire post for generalizing the entire medical field that way because my best friend is going to be a PT/DC and I'm going to be a dentist. Sadly, some people are like that, but not every doctor is out to get you. It's probably a much lower margin than you think to be honest. Nobody is ALWAYS right, but someone who went through 3-4 years of school and up to 4 more years of residency in that field probably has a slightly better chance at being correct than you, no?
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If I go to the ocean for a week's vacation I drink beer, eat meat and lay on the beach. It's vacation.......don't worry about doing cardio.
I know that's good advice in almost every case, but I have this philosophy that health never goes on vacation , so I want to do something. More importantly, this time I have been having trouble staying on my cut, and I don't want to hit any unnecessary struggles.
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If I remember correctly, you're a junior college student, and not a trainer or physical therapist. You're not qualified to give this type of advice, just like I'm not, so stop giving it.
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what he said
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Originally Posted by Lost Dog
Actually, people are warned all the time for that.
The difference between you and many of the other people giving advice, is that you prescribe things like you know you're right and with a level of confidence that makes new people here think you're someone to listen to. But you're often wrong and just don't know it.
In this case, he never said anything other than he hurt his knee. Where does it hurt? How long ago? Swelling? Did he hear or feel a pop or tear? Bruising? What's the level of pain? We don't know any of this, and neither do you. Therefore, random foam rolling and release of "trigger points" is not good advice, if only because he might actually do it, gain some confidence to try his knee out again, and get hurt even worse.
...and why are chiropractors and physical therapists any less nefarious than doctors? Maybe they just have you fooled and charge less to suck you dry more slowly...
Thanks guys. I probably may have taken that as a decent suggestion.
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I was a lake recently, decided to swim some for some cardio, after about four total minutes I would have drowned if I didn't hurry up and swim back to the shore...swimming is an excellent source of aerobic exercise.
Generally speaking, I'd just go have fun in the ocean, walking against that resistance should do good for your knee and it should have you burning calories. Just have fun, it's vacation. Give your knee time to recuperate.
Thanks. I'm given it so much time . It happened months and months ago. I would rest for 3-4 weeks, think it healed, try running again, and realize it didn't. I really need to just see a doctor. I haven't had the damn time. I've been studying so much and my guess is that I'll need PT so I can't commit to that yet anyway.
I know that's good advice in almost every case, but I have this philosophy that health never goes on vacation , so I want to do something. More importantly, this time I have been having trouble staying on my cut, and I don't want to hit any unnecessary struggles.
Ok eat broiled chicken and drink some white wine. One week won't make a difference....enjoy.
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or I could just tone down everything as a whole.
, not to mention that I've never swam for cardio before so I probably couldn't do it very effectively for too long
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