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Old 10-20-2005, 12:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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University of Northern Colorado conditioning camp....the saga continues....
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and the transfer of those movements to a valid sport specific need would be???

edit: actually, now that i think about it, i guess they could use those strength conditioning movements in order to help them get positions in the circus....
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Old 10-20-2005, 01:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 10-20-2005, 01:13 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Must be the table tennis team.
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Old 10-20-2005, 01:26 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Renegade Moe...granted he doesn't have a massive barbell holding 65 pounds on his shoulders BUT...


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Old 10-20-2005, 01:32 PM   #6 (permalink)
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At least we now know how Northern Colorado became such a juggernaut in college football. Another mystery solved!
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Old 10-20-2005, 02:40 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Renegade Moe...granted he doesn't have a massive barbell holding 65 pounds on his shoulders
I would be much more impressed by a cat holding a 65 lb barbell than any of those guys standing on a ball.
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Old 10-20-2005, 03:51 PM   #8 (permalink)
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"and the transfer of those movements to a valid sport specific need would be???" balence
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Old 10-20-2005, 04:06 PM   #9 (permalink)
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What type of balance? Balancing on a swiss ball ball? Med ball? As soon as out athlete's start playing on those things, I'll start doing these with them.
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Old 10-20-2005, 04:24 PM   #10 (permalink)
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to me it looks a lil hard to keep balence on those things lifting weights and if you think balence has nothing to do with sports you dont know anything about sports.
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Old 10-20-2005, 04:31 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Hahahaha Dos you don't know anything about sports or training athletes!


Hyper, you might want to follow the link in Dos' profile. He knows quite a bit about training for sport. If you do a search of these forums, unstable surface training has come up many times in the past. Bill Hartman, dos, and Alwyn Cosgrove have written a lot about the problems.

The biggest one with balance is proprioception. The carry-over in a healthy joint just isn't there. Increasing balance on a ball doesn't have a carryover to increasing balance on the floor.

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This guy has been frequenting Coach Davies site too much.

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I love my Swiss ball...
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Old 10-20-2005, 05:04 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Actually, I don't find it that hard to do those types of cirque de soleil moves on the balls. Must just be my cat-like reflexes and amazing inhuman proprioception. I want a shot at Hartman's cat! (I feel like he's taunting me as he stares at me, standing on that swiss ball....)

By the way, it's 'B-a-l-a-n-c-e'.
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Gives new meaning to trunk stabilizing work eh Fish?
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What type of balance? Balancing on a swiss ball ball? Med ball?
I don't know why, but that one really got me!
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Old 10-20-2005, 09:23 PM   #17 (permalink)
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"Trunk" stabilization, swiss ball ball (the sport of the future), balence, "you don't know anything about sports" to dos... this thread is absolutely priceless. Better than anything on TV.
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What type of balance? Balancing on a swiss ball ball? Med ball? As soon as out athlete's start playing on those things, I'll start doing these with them.
I can see it . . . football played on balls, with players running on them to roll them around on the field . . .
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You and I just HAVE to try that at the next retreat. That just looks so cool.


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I think the take away point here is that sports related balance can be achieved through alternative methods easier and safer than balancing on a swiss ball.

While it might make sense for a brief moment in theory...in practice the carryover isn't going to be nearly as practicle as other methods.
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In my evil days.



And, the evil one in red who taught me the evil ways of the Swiss Ball.



I feel so good getting that off my chest.

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You and I just HAVE to try that at the next retreat. That just looks so cool.


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[/quote]I'll take a pic of you guys so JP can use it in is his new exercise example section. Maybe you can both stand on the ball while facing each other and holding hands too
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TG: There's a different version you can I can demonstrate . . . actually, SEVERAL!


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Don't ban Mahler.

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LOL...same goes for me Chris. Although hubby knows how I am too.

Haha OG. I think Mahler posted that one of himself first, to take the sting out of posting JP too. It cancels out JP's so he is safe
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somebody needs to photoshop horns and a tail on him...
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I think two things when I see that pic:

1) Isn't that Vuduchyld on the right? How the heck is he doing?

2) I'm glad I wasn't there for this. As opposed to dos, I absolutely suck at stuff like this. He has cat-like reflexes... mine are more rhino-like. Lucky for me the ball stuff isn't recommended anyway.
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