Eating Enough for a Boxing Routine?

[sidonia]

I am currently doing a little boxing, and I am experiencing some "wobblies" after I finish, and I've been trying a few things as far as food before hand.

My session is at 1:00 in the afternoon, I get to work at 9, eat around 11:30, and then go workout. I used to eat 1 cup egg whites, 1 slice canadian bacon, and hollandaise sauce for breakfast, I quickly found out that was NOT enough. So now I eat something like this (ignore the lunch):



Here's the workout from today, (been doing similar workouts for a few weeks now...usually more movement in the pad work than this, i'm bursing a rolled ankle this week) everything is done fast paced and trying not to stop moving too much, since I am in this for weight loss...(and hitting stuff. ) My daily calorie goal is around 1685 and I currently weigh 310 at 5'9".


Warmups:
Bands:
-pulling both alternating very fastly for 100 reps
-punching with them 100 punches, jabs, hooks, upper cuts
-Curls 100 of them

Pad Training:
- walking 1-2 drills, forward and backward x 3 sets

-1-2, left hook, right hook, quick right hook x 3 rounds

-1-2-3-4=left jab, right jab, left hook, right hook till exhaustion x 2 times

-left jab, right jab for 40 punches, then titter tat (fast punching) till exhaustion x 3 sets

Heavy Bag:
3 rounds 3 mins each:
-constant hitting, always making contact, working entire bag, throwing Power Punches, Pitter Pat, and Elbows when he called it.

Speed Bag:
50 hits left hand
50 hits right hand
50 hits alternating
then rinse & repeat (OWWWWWCH)

So...protein shake after AND before? Do I need more carbs for breakfast? I added the banana...for some of those....or...just suck it up and keep going???

[Leigh P.]

While you likely don't want to hear from me, here it goes anyway.

If I were you I wouldn't be training like that considering your size and condition. I don't think you will see a lot of progress with those calories and that training. I will leave it at that, but had to put it out there.

Regardless if you are going to train like that then the only hope you have of not overstressing your system is to make sure you cut stress signaling off from get go and use a pre/during/post nutrition program.

Hypos can not get away with it, especially those who are obese.

If I were you I would follow something along these lines...

Pre-15g pro 15g fat 30g carb-Can be in meal/bar but I don't recommend liquid, you might get to whooshy when you add in the "during".
During-Keep training under 60 mins, period. While training sip on a 15g/40g mix. Make sure to get some in at least every 10 mins, if higher intensity do it more often. Some gatorade and whey for instance would be fine.
Post-small Choc milk and then a solid small meal about 15-30 after.

Again I think it is not a smart move but if going to do it, that is how I would do it. Just remember the "during" is one of the most important parts. Take as much rest time when you can between your intervals.

[sidonia]

I appreciate the input! I will take into consideration the recomendations...I have actually seen some changes in the past few weeks, and hope to see more. I am often told I do not look my weight, and have been fairly athletic for most of my life. I try not to completely tire myself out and I make sure to relax between my training sessions so I don't run my self into the ground...it is something I have had to learn to do! I will have to think about shortening my exercise...maybe the rowing is not necessary after the boxing and it's too much!

Thank you for taking the time to answer my post.

[Leigh P.]

I hope I didn't imply you wouldn't get any results, just I fear for it being optimal. It is the rest time and the lowering of stress on the body that should be your prime concern in general. If you tackle that then training can certainly be more intense and you will deal with less water issues from the training stress.

Regardless good luck and hope you don't feel as woozy.

[sidonia]

Not at all...I still have to learn that sometimes it's not really imperative to KILL myself at the gym. I like a hard workout, but I've learned that my body sometimes doesn't. On the days that I have it, I'll work harder, and on the days I don't...I'll take it easier. I've had to learn how to listen to my body to avoid stressing it out. Now if I could just get my 70 yr old dad and 92yr old grandma to stop stressing me out...and this time of year to be over...then I'd be SET!!!

Ugh...water issues...story of my life!

[Aoife]

I think society drills it into your head that it's good to work hard. really hard. and if you don't get anywhere, it's ok, at least you're working hard. We pooh pooh the wealthy who don't seem to work hard, who have an easy life, we elevate joe the plumber even if he's working harder than he has to.

Pile on that the mentality I think a LOT of bigger people trying to lose get… That at least they work hard, they can do stuff. And then the pride and good feelings they get from at least being strong, and good at whatever ya do… It's hard to back down and "be lazy" and take it easy and just let the NEAT and deficit do the work.

Blah blah blah. /ramble

[Bytsi]

Originally Posted by sidonia

..I still have to learn that sometimes it's not really imperative to KILL myself at the gym. I like a hard workout, but I've learned that my body sometimes doesn't.

Originally Posted by Aoife

It's hard to back down and "be lazy" and take it easy and just let the NEAT and deficit do the work.

Amen to that. If I had to say THE most important point Leigh and FLTS drove home for me, it's that sometimes working out to the point of dropping (which for some perverse reason I actually enjoy) may NOT be the best thing for me. The stress and decreased NEAT were wreaking havoc with my goals, and I had no idea.

I still like a killer workout, but I'm much more aware of the need for recovery and the importance of NEAT, and I have to plan accordingly...

Kristen - it's a learning process and we'll get there

[sidonia]

I think what Aoife said holds really true too especially for me at least...as a fat person...you're always told you're lazy even if you're not! And that sticks with you and you enter into this weight loss track with the mentality that you're going to BEAT the fat off of our body...that you deserve to suffer because it's all your fault and now you should be in pain getting rid of it. And you want people to see you working hard, because in their eyes, you should be...because you're disgusting and you did this to yourself, so you have to undo it.

And now we're into the root of the problem in the first place...the psychology of it!!! Lol...