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Old 12-05-2008, 04:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey, kinda new to lifting weights and what-not so just had a couple of questions, if you can't do but 1 chin-up, other than negatives, is benchpressing another way to help build those muscles to work up to being able to do more, if not whats a good way to get those same muscles stronger using barbells?

Also, which is the best way to build muscle, by lifting the absolute heaviest you can lift in fewer reps? or more reps of a reduced weight?
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Old 12-05-2008, 05:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Do you have access to a lat pull down machine? Negatives are a great way to improve your pull up strength so whats wrong with stick with those. Benching will not directly help with the same muscles. but having more overall strength can't hurt. With a barbell you can do rows for your back, but they're not in the same plane as pull ups and high pulls.
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Old 12-05-2008, 05:12 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Do you have access to a lat pull down machine? Negatives are a great way to improve your pull up strength so whats wrong with stick with those. Benching will not directly help with the same muscles. but having more overall strength can't hurt. With a barbell you can do rows for your back, but they're not in the same plane as pull ups and high pulls.
Well with weights I usually feel that i'm doing something with the muscles and getting somewhere, and can go on with it forever because of that fact, when I do negatives after the 3rd time I just wanna walk away cause I feel like Im getting no where, although I probably am, its the fact that I feel like im not thats making me unmotivated to even continue, which was why I was wondering if there were any dumbell or barbell related excercises for it
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Old 12-05-2008, 05:28 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Continue to do negatives and make sure you're really controlling the motion on the way down. Do you have access to a pull down machine? That would be the most direrct way to improve your pull-up strength other than doing pull-ups. And give the other exercises that I mentioned a shot. Both of those will improve your overall back strength.
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If you don't have access to a pull-down machine, negatives are the best way to go. One thing that I did before in the past was pullovers, curls, and rows and those transferred very nicely to my pull-ups.
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Old 12-05-2008, 07:24 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Continue to do negatives and make sure you're really controlling the motion on the way down. Do you have access to a pull down machine? That would be the most direrct way to improve your pull-up strength other than doing pull-ups. And give the other exercises that I mentioned a shot. Both of those will improve your overall back strength.
Nope, just access to a barbell and dumbell, even for pullups im improvising by using this wall type thing in my house
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chins/pullups and pulldowns have very little correlation to each other.

If this were the case, the gym rats who sit at a station and do pulldowns all day would be able to do chinups, but in reality, probably only a few people in the gym can actually do chinups or pullups. This is because a lot more comes into play with them than pulldowns... you actually need to have stability on chinups, rather than just sitting down and pulling a bar to your chest.

If i were you, i would get someone to help me do some assisted pullups/chins, by giving a slight push on your feat. Bands come into play here, as they're assisting you off the bottom

kipping can also help you reach a few more when you can't do strict ones.
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I don't think anyone has brought up jump pullups yet.
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Hey, kinda new to lifting weights and what-not so just had a couple of questions, if you can't do but 1 chin-up, other than negatives, is benchpressing another way to help build those muscles to work up to being able to do more, if not whats a good way to get those same muscles stronger using barbells?

Also, which is the best way to build muscle, by lifting the absolute heaviest you can lift in fewer reps? or more reps of a reduced weight?
No and no.

Do reverse pullups. Place a ladder next to the pullup bar, climb until your hands are on the bar, and drop. Let go, walk back up the ladder, and repeat. It may not serve any practical muscle building purpose, but I'm sure a few gym rats will think you're an innovator.
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Go buy a medium (purple) jumpstretch band at EliteFTS - Powerlifting and Strength Training Products and Knowledge for Lifters, Athletes, Coaches, and Trainers and go to work. Aside from losing weight using band assisted chins (loop the band over the bar and one end on your foot to assist) and negatives are the best way to increase your strength in that motion.
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Nice idea kuri^^ I never thought of that.

I believe reverse pullups are horizontal, with the body parallel to the floor. The latter idea sounds awesome for reverse pullups, but if you are up to it, just get a box, and jump up so that you get a good concentric squeeze at the top before you do a negative going down, unless it's too hard. Definitely warm up your entire body before you start jumping.
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