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Old 11-09-2004, 04:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What are benefits of box squats as when compared to the common back squat?
What is the difference in bar position on the back when doing a squat? (ex:top of traps position or down lower)
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Old 11-09-2004, 06:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
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You develop more control over the movement with the box squat. You're always lowering your body to the exact same point, so you groove the movement better than if you do squats the traditional way--deeper with lighter weights, less deep with heavier weights.

(Side note: I remember watching a guy break his squat PR about five or six times in a row at a gym. He was amazed that he could just keep lifting more and more weight. His secret? By his fifth or sixth PR, he was barely going a quarter of the way down. But he thought he was the biggest stud who ever walked the earth by the time he was done.)

The bar can be high or low. In competition, obviously, you'd place it lower, but some competitive lifters train with it higher, since it's harder that way.

One thing I didn't know until I watched Dave Tate at Westside is that the object of a powerlifting squat is to move the bar straight up and down. You don't want to bend forward at all. That's why they hold the bar so low and spread their feet so wide.

The first time I tried Westside-style box squats, my knees were killing me, and I thought I wouldn't be able to do them. But within a week I could do them with heavier weights and no knee pain at all.

It just takes some getting used to.

Also, I think the fact you actually stop and sit on the box develops your core strength in a different way. You can't let those muscles go slack in any kind of squat, but there's something about the discipline of holding the position, and then standing again, that feels different.
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Yes, like Lou said, training with a higher bar is more difficult. Doing Limping showed me that: I did high-bar squats for the majority of the 12 weeks, but the final phase called for low-bar squats... and man it felt like I suddenly got a lot stronger real fast!!!

And another Dave Tate tip that recently helped me was taking a deep breath, down to the diaphragm, pushing my belly out. It does indeed expand your center, which gives much greater stability. Lifting off the rack or pushing out of the hole you can really feel it.
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Old 11-09-2004, 07:27 PM   #4 (permalink)
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wow, much thanks to the brain food that was an awesome response. Whenever I try to do low bar squats my flexibility screams at me. Maybe I should work on it with a broom stick or something. Thanks to Lou and Rock for the top notch responses I just learned a lot.
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Old 11-09-2004, 09:22 PM   #5 (permalink)
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For further information on the box squat, read these:

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle....=body_120squat

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle....=body_149squat

The box is good for building up the glutes and hams because when you sit on it for a sec you have to contract everything to get back up. I love doing them with a 3 second pause.

To see what the box squat actually looks like go here:

http://www.midwestbarbell.com/videos.htm
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You will know you are doing box squats right when you wake up the next day and your hammies and glutes are so sore you can't walk. Brutal on the posterior chain.

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Old 11-10-2004, 01:04 AM   #7 (permalink)
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You will know you are doing box squats right when you wake up the next day and your hammies and glutes are so sore you can't walk. Brutal on the posterior chain.

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