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Old 01-06-2006, 01:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Supertraining or The Science and Practice of Strength Training?

I want to treat myself to a heavy book. I'm ready to buy Siff, but figured I'd ask.
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Old 01-06-2006, 03:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It kind of depends...

Supertraining is going to cover more and be more complete, but its also a bitch to read.

Science and Practice covers less, it is based around strength training, nothing else, but will be much easier to read and get through.

For a more complete book go with Supertraining.

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Old 01-06-2006, 03:52 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Have to agree on Supertraining. Dense material... If you don't have a strong working vocab it can be a real slog. Actually, even if you do it will still be a long hard slog to get through. It's got some great content though. Maybe the other would be a better step to take first. I haven't read it yet though so I can't give you a fair opinion on that.
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Old 01-06-2006, 09:48 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Thanks, gentlemen. I'm going with Supertraining. If it's dense then four or five pages at a time shouldn't be a problem. Hell, I got a masters degree, and did college level bio & chem. Can't be THAT bad. And it sounds to be an awesome book.
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Old 01-06-2006, 10:02 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Chris,

Don't read Supertraining front to back. It's a textbook. Pick out the sections that seem of interest to you and just work your way around the book. It's much easier that way.

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Old 01-06-2006, 10:14 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Thanks, Bill. I was figuring something like that. But it sounds like it's definitely worth the purchase.

BTW, how does one become "Bill Hartman Certified"? Before I put in the time to do the CSCS work just for fun, I figure I might as well check out the alternatives. Do I have to read something, do something, pass some test, or just send you a case of your favorite whatever?

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Bill: One more question, a question that demands a "seat of the pants" answer. For the general-to-more-experienced JP forumite, what single book would you suggest they read to move their training knowledge up a clear notch? If that's too impossible to answer, what would be the top three tomes they should have on their shelves?
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Old 01-06-2006, 10:59 PM   #7 (permalink)
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wow, it's been a long time but I think certification is $7,129.95. No study, no test. Just a check made out to me.

Only 3 books??


This is one of my bookshelves (can you tell I'm bored tonite)

Depends on the topic of choice????

For an easy to read program design book Alywn's manual and probably Ian King's How to Write strength training programs are great.

NSCA Essentials is good because you get the underlying science although I thoroughly dislike the exercise demo pics

Science and Practice of Strength Training is not too difficult to read although a little science background helps. Covers the now famous ME, RE, and DE methods.

Thomas Kurz's Science of sports training is an excellent combo with Supertraining. It's much broader in scope than ST (talks about kids, energy systems, etc.).

Mike Boyle's latest book and 10 DVD set is good.

If you have a specific topic, I may be able to be more specific.

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Old 01-06-2006, 11:03 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Jeez Bill... And this pic doesn't even include the many books that have been used to wipe your tush! No wonder you're a walking encyclopedia of all things work-out related!
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Old 01-06-2006, 11:11 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Bill: Three, because, well, one has to start somewhere. I've seen Alwyn's list of essential reading for his staff. It'd take me two years to get hired!

I have the NSCA Essentials and have now ordered Supertraining. I recently got New Rules, and have Mike Boyle's book (Functional Training for Sports). I also have Verstegen's CP, Gray Cook's Body in Balance, Newton's Explosive Lifting for Sports, High Performance Sports Conditioning, and a few others of less note.

Bill, I know it's 10 DVD's but it's hard to spring for Boyle's DVD set. It is that good, particularly for an athletic training oriented guy?

What is Mike's latest book, if not the one I have?

RE the certification, move the decimal point two places to the left and you have a deal. But I want a certificate and card!
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Old 01-07-2006, 04:08 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I think a couple years ago I had an oportunity for a HARTMAN Certification by answering some questions that I never completed. Its one of my life's biggest regrets.

I also have to say that Bill bookshelf dominates my own and that is only probably one of a couple for him. Here is mine:

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Danny,

Nice Start! I recognize a lot of quality on your shelf. Reread all that and you're waaaaay ahead of the game. Hit the library and take advantage of the countless journals they receive to keep up with current research and trends. Photo copy anything that seems interesting or important. Buy the 3" 3 ring binders to keep organized. If you're taking a dump without a book in your hand, you're not serious about learning. (hey, that might have to be my new personal mantra)

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Mike Boyles DVD's are great if you're going to work with athletes. Mike has a great perspective and probably one of the most open minds in the business. All his stuff is based on science and then his experience in producing hundreds of athletes. His new book is at performbetter.com and is call Designing Strength training programs and facilities. Really good stuff. Far superior to his Human Kinetics book.

FYI...I just ordered $300 bucks worth of DVD's and books to start the year off. I'm also increasing my journal subscriptions, because I don't have time to spend at the library anymore.

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wow, it's been a long time but I think certification is $7,129.95. No study, no test. Just a check made out to me.


I guess now we all know how much Bill owes in boat payments...

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Old 01-07-2006, 12:42 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Shoot, Bill, if I was in decent driving distance, I'd stop by the Hartman Library and see about borrowing those DVDs.

I just bought all new kitchen appliances this morning (on top of the complete kitchen remodeling I'm in the midst of doing). My big Supertraining purchase pretty much uses up my resource budget for the next quarter or two (I did spring for Dave Tate's book -- Under the Bar -- at the same time; what the hell.)
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So what about books for me then with my limited knowledge?whats a good starting point?i really want to enhance my knowledge this year?

Mr hartman what would you suggest i started on?i have interrests in strength training and hypertrophy?I think alwyn cosgrove said"to break the rules you have to know the rules" i want to know the rules?i want to start small?this is seriously i really want to expand my knowledge??any help would be great?
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I've always been told NSCA's essencials is a good place to start. It's a text book and a little heavy... I actually had to buy it for 2 of my courses, but it's doable and gives you a great background of knowledge.
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I'd probably go with Lou/Alwyn's book and Ian King's program design book if you don't have a big science background. If you want to learn some the underlying science, NSCA Essentials may be okay.

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Bill, might I ask what the name of Ian King's book is? Thanks [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Ok, Bill, there are are now four books/manuals of which I know that address program design:

Fleck and Kraemer
Mike Boyle's new book
Ian's, which you referenced
Alwyn's manual

Can you comment to help one prioritize purchase decisions?
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Ian's or Alwyn's Program Design Bible.

Ian's is called How to Write Strength Training Programs. Get Buffed! is very similiar in scope

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I'm really interested in the New Rules of Lifting, as it's seems to have been a big hit with forumites here. Chris, are you talking about Functional Training for Sports by Boyle? Or did i miss a new book? I'm a bit confused because FT4S came out in 2003, so I might be missing something. I'd be interested in that as well, as he is a big name in the sports training world.
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Kevin: BLink to Boyle's new book; Bill noted it in an earlier post.

http://www.performbetter.com/detail....tegoryID_E_259

Bill: Thanks for the elaboration.
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