I was reading Bill Hartman's responses and he said that any sports program has twice a day practices, meeting, weightraining, etc. I don't know what time of days they do their training and how much time in-between with recovery time, etc. Softball and Baseball for example has a lot of throwing and quick change of direction and speed. I am talking about UC's by the way, not JC's. A lot different. I know what the phases are for the off-season, in-season, pre-season, etc, so no need to discuss that and make my post long.
I heard like early in the morning (like 6am) when the athletes lift because practice would be in the late afternoon like 2 or 3pm and games at night or whatever. Is this right? and do any colleges do twice a day lifting like Bill Hartman mentioned as examples (If so, which example)? If all colleges do this and everyones arms are still good and speed is fast and such, then maybe this is what I should be doing too, so I won't have a lost in performance again like I suffered with in the spring. Maybe I did not do enough sprint work (did not do it everyday) and that may have had something to do with it. I have no idea.
The question I was really trying to find the answer to is, what is the time of recovery needed before performing any agility work, sprint work, playing a sport (game or practice), activity, etc? without decreasing performance. Before I play around with any program (don't want to risk an injury trying to do the wrong thing), I would like to get advice from the experts and those who know about how colleges work their sport programs and schedules.
How I scheduled my lifting schedule in the spring semester around slowpitch and my own conditioning made my performance actually worse instead of better. I was not lifting on the same day I was playing slowpitch and I was doing conditioning work before I would lift. I would lift usually around 5pm 2-3 times a week. If you are not getting the results you want, that means you are doing something wrong, correct?. In my case, I did something wrong. I don't think it had anything to do with the exercises I did though (like for example. you said the deadlift had nothing to do with the lost of speed I lost for a while). I have not lifted since june 7 (when school was out) and my sprinting speed, throwing power/distance, and hitting power came back. My hitting mechanics of course are still not all that good, but the power got back to where it was before I first time stuck to a weightraining program for slowpitch.
My schedule of availability is different now that I work. I work in mornings at 8. At night during the week (Mon, Tue, Wed, Thurs), I play slowpitch softball and on weekends fastpitch adult league softball. I need to find a time to do weightraining and I do not want to do it at a time that my performance will decrease and I am not a night person. When I come home from slowpitch games, I stretch and then I am tired and go right to sleep.
I do not want to know about what kind of exercises colleges do or sets, reps. All I want to know is how many days they lift, how long of recovery/rest time before practices, etc. I would like the average number of days, how many different times they lift during the day, and what time they do the lifting a long with conditoning time in between practices and games.
Not getting the right results and performance actually decreasing from lifting discourages me from lifting and will make me not want to do it anymore. Thats how I feel right now because the bad experience I had in the spring semester with the lifting. I want to know for sure what to do, so that this won't happen again
Recovery time is directly affected by the intensity of the workout and the conditioning of the athelete. Frequent lower intensity workouts will improve conditioning. You can do these closer to games. Infrequent, higher intensity workouts will build strength but will impact performance longer. You should separate these from games by a significant margin. You probably should avoid these in season if you play several time/week.
ok thank you. I am going to ask the questions this way, so that I know exactly how much recovery time is needed before doing an activity. Each phase would be a different answer according to your response. I want to make sure I understand all of this correctly, so that I can get the right recovery time done and so that it will increase performance instead of decrease it. Maybe my problem was "too much rest time before activity".
1. If training for hypertrophy (athletes would do this phase after the season is over, correct?), how long should the average recovery time be before doing any activity?
2. If training for strength, how long should the average recovery time be before doing any activity?
3. If training for power, how long should the average recovery time be before doing any activity?
4. If training for endurance (circuit training), how long should the average recovery time be before doing any activity?
I have realized and my thought now is that that depending on how many reps and sets you do determines on how much rest time you need (recovery time) before doing an activity. I have learned that too much recovery/rest time before activity decreases performance and I have realized that is what happened with my sprinting and such. Also, does it matter on how many exercises you do and what exercises you do before the activity? For example, for softball if I want to do any direct shoulder work/external rotators (which would be considered endurance phase always for these muscles), would that be done during the lifting all together and not affect activity or actually better to be done after activity, which means I would lift twice a day? (I don't know how college athletes do it).
My goal is to schedule my lifting in the best way possible that will improve performance and not decrease it or feel fatique/tired from not having enough recovery time between lifting and activity.
yeah, softball and how lifting affected my sprinting speed in the spring semester lifting. If my performance did not decrease and my performance was increasing, I would not be making this thread right now. When performance is decreasing, that means something is wrong and I was probably taking too much recovery time between lifting and activity (conditioning myself, slowpitch game, whatever).
yeah, softball and how lifting affected my sprinting speed in the spring semester lifting. If my performance did not decrease and my performance was increasing, I would not be making this thread right now. When performance is decreasing, that means something is wrong and I was probably taking too much recovery time between lifting and activity (conditioning myself, slowpitch game, whatever).
Have you involved your coach in this?
We have a tendency to overanalyze our own fitness and performance levels. We're too close to it and don't see what others see.
It could be many things, and specifically looking at your reps, sets, and numbers of lifts isn't going to fix the problem.
I have no coach right now. I am my own coach. I am not on a college team at the moment. I am going to give it a try again trying out for my JC in the fall and the coach at the JC is not really an expert at lifting and I know that for sure. My JC also has an inexperienced athletic trainer when it comes to weightraining. In the fall, we were given a lot of machine exercises and stuff that we should not even be doing. I even posted the lifting schedule once online on a softball forum and the members even agreed that it was a poor written program and I did not even follow it (it was just given to the girls to do on our own). I am not going to trust my JC because they do not have a real strength and conditioning coach. If it was a UC, it would be different. We all usually do things on our own at our JC away from the softball field.
I am really afraid to start lifting again and my performance being affected again. Eversince I stopped lifting since june 7 (last day of spring semester), my speed and everything came back. Based on experience, everytime I try to lift, my performance decreases. When I don't lift, it goes back to where its supposed to. I want to lift in a way I will get results and actually improve. Thats the main reason why I am making this thread. There is no way I am going to let anything affect my performance again.
I am working at a grocery store now (a bagger and also clear carts in the lot), so I do a lot of lifting already with my upper body and I have noticed each day, everything I lift and curl up (like a bicep curl) to put into the cart gets easy and easier to do. I am also thinking its improving my performance on the softball field as far as throwing goes because my throwing strength/power/distance is improving.
If I ever go into the weightroom again and I see decreased performance happening, I probably won't be lifting anymore. I want to get as much info from you guys as possible, so that on my last attempt doing weightraining and sticking to a program will be successful. If not, I just won't go to the weightroom anymore. I hope that getting the advice I get from you guys will improve my performance. I want to get as much advice as I can before I actually start lifting again, so I know for sure that my performance will not decrease and trust myself.
Mon, just focus on conditioning, agility, flexibility and skills. Leave strength and power to the off season. Without a coach you will not be able to effectively manage strength and power training so you optimize your performance. Once the season ends, take 2-3 weeks to relax and recover, then start working on strength and power with a vengeance.
should I do it at like 6am in the morning if there is a practice at 2pm for example?
When I play slowpitch, I play at night..so on those nights (usually 8pm or 9pm are the games), I should lift weights at like 2pm the latest or still early in the morning (before work)? How long (minimum) should be the rest time between lifting and activity and what is the maximum (which I know is about 24 hours or so of doing nothing and it does nothing to help my sport and speed from my experience)
if something does not give me the results I want, I'll change it. In this case, lifting decreased my performance and I already explained above why. Ever since I have not done any lifting since june 7th when spring semester ended, my running speed and throwing power came back a week or so later.
Also, the spring semester was the first time I actually stuck to a weightraining program without changing it. The first 8 weeks I had a schedule and the last 8 weeks I changed up the exercises for each movement; however, the last couple of weeks of the last 8 weeks of the semester I lost interest in lifting and was doing it whenever I was in the mood and it was only when I had nothing to do with a big gap between classes. The reason was because of my results. Then after the semester was over, I stopped lifting all together. I have weights and such at home and I can start back up at anytime, but it will be when I know for sure about the recovery and such, which I am still waiting for answers.
Lifting is suppose to increase performance, not decrease it! If I start lifting again, it would probably be before work at around 6am in the morning, and it would be a split between lower body and upper body. This is because I don't want to wake up too early to lift for an hour and I would only like 30 minutes of my time to do so before I go to work. I want to know if this is okay to lift at this early in the morning? I have read when searching at google and bill hartmans post I linked that a majority of schools lift at 6am in the morning. I dont know if they do it on the same day as practice or games though.
this is probably the most ridiculous series of posts that you've had, and that's saying something.
Look, lifting is not in any way shape or form going to decrease your performance. at all. There are so many other factors that you're not thinking about it's not even funny.
You wonder why no one is responding to this thread with decent advice. It's because they're tired of your bullshit.
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this is probably the most ridiculous series of posts that you've had, and that's saying something.
Look, lifting is not in any way shape or form going to decrease your performance. at all. There are so many other factors that you're not thinking about it's not even funny.
You wonder why no one is responding to this thread with decent advice. It's because they're tired of your bullshit.
What other factors? I want to know. anything it takes for me to figure out what did it to my performance.
because you just suck at softball, no matter how hard you work?
I guess you did not read or remember what I wrote in my first post and I think I repeated it a couple of times...
when I was lifting during the spring semester, my performance (sprinting speed and throwing power) was decreasing. Since june 7th when spring semester was over, I decided to stop lifting and see if my running speed and throwing power would come back..and it did. Therefore, it MUST HAVE been the weightraining that decreased my performance!
I probably had too much recovery time between activity and lifting, so the strength was not increasing right or something.
and I am really good at softball. used to be nervous, but not anymore. I play left center for all my slowpitch teams and I have made no errors yet and I have threw people out on the basepath for trying to gain an extra base because of my strong arm. Slowpitch also got me to stop being nervous, so I will be perfectly ready to tryout for my JC team in the fall. Nerves is what defiantly got me last year and hesitating because of it. The reason why playing on a slowpitch park league helped was because I had no pressure and there was no one competing with me for a spot on the team and starting spot. I was not confident at all last year and I am fully 100% confident now.
when I was lifting during the spring semester, my performance (sprinting speed and throwing power) was decreasing. Since june 7th when spring semester was over, I decided to stop lifting and see if my running speed and throwing power would come back..and it did. Therefore, it MUST HAVE been the weightraining that decreased my performance!
Then you should stop lifting weights, close your JP account and get a job with Krispy Kreme.
There's on season strength training and off season strength training I'm sure off season is more intensive On season, they want to save energy and focus for the game.
If you're tired and sore, you will have lower performance, but there's really no magical amount of time to wait. If you had a good coach, you'd all train together at a certain time, but you might have different lifts, sets, reps, etc that someone else. We all recover at different rates and can take more or less that other people.
You won't find the answer you're looking for, you have to find a method that works for you.
Mon, you seem to be not quite grasping that the chilly reception you're receiving here might be due to the fact that you aren't getting it. You ask questions that no one here can answer--NO ONE knows what will work for you, specifically. There is no magic formula, no winning recipe, no one answer that fits all people.
If you think a+b=c, and you think variable "a" has screwed up what you WANTED c to be, then try and change it! I can't provide you any more specific detail other than that. YOU need to experiment with modification of your own, personal variables. See what works and what doesn't. Why would you think that anyone here would be able to provide you with a shortcut around that?
If it were possible to just do something in a cookbook fashion, we would all be strong like oxen, six packed, able to vertically jump 10 feet, and sprint like our pants were on fire. It just doesn't work that way.
Best of luck. You need to figure this out. No one here can (or will) be able to do this for you.
And this will be what, your 3rd or 4th time trying out for the team?
Michael Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team.
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Now that is freakin' funny!!! Where do you find that shit?
Mon,
Tina has given you some very good advice IMO ... keep in mind that every person is an individual and every person might respond differently. Keep good records of what you are doing (diet and workout) and your performance and see if you can find the right mix for optimal performance.
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Mon, did your coach give you a list of the things that she thought you needed to improve upon in order to make the team? Those are the things I would be working on. And to be honest, playing slowpitch rec softball is in no way going to help you make a junior college softball team. All of my graduating seniors who have signed to play at the college level are playing on competitive 23U or 18U travel teams in order to improve their skills.....
Keep good records of what you are doing (diet and workout) and your performance and see if you can find the right mix for optimal performance.
Remember also, Mon, that there's NON-EXERCISE factors to consider. What else has changed since you stopped lifting? Did classes finish? Are you getting more sleep? More rest? Are you less stressed?
There's a lot of factors in life and all are gonna have some sort of impact on every part of your life, whether you count them or not. This is why we're sure that it's not the lifting that "made you slower"... because it could be any number of factors, and likely more than just one or 2. A LOT of things affect your performance. Not usually just one (injury might be an example of just one, but then usually the factors that led to the injury...).
Take good stock in your situation and experiment to see what different things, nutrition, rest, stress, exercise (and type) do to you and go from there.
We understand you want to be the best you can be and perform and improve and that's great. But there is no best way. There are bad ways, there are good ways. There are things that will work for you and things that won't. You're the one that needs to figure it out. We don't know you well enough.
how long should the recovery be after lifting before a game, activity, etc?
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