Cosgrove's Warp Speed Fat Loss

[MAXX]

Originally Posted by jhardy

MAXX--Are you following the meal plans or the template outlining protein, starch, fruit/veg, and fats? I am following the template and find that 9cal/pound is very accurate but it is my understanding that the meal plans may include more calories.

I am following the meal plans, tho I am repeating some of the things that I liked instead of what is listed. I went thru and calculated today's calories and they came out to about 1500, which seemed low for what all I ate. Hopefully my math was a little more accurate Today was actually the first day that I felt hungry between meals, but I credit that to the workout this morning. I must also add that all this healthy food is really doing a number on my stomach and bowels.........

[PowerManDL]

Originally Posted by RedWifey

If by "truth" you are referring to the Lyle McDonald protocol usage without his name on it, how to heck do you know that Lyle and Alwyn/Mike haven't been given license to use it? Is it even "licensed" in the first place? I really don't know the legalities of it. But don't you think the ones it would impact (Alwyn and Mike) would do a bit of research to make it not reflect poorly on themselves?

Because I speak to Lyle on a very regular basis and know from him for a fact that it's not the case.

Part of his reason for releasing the Stubborn Fat book in the first place was to finally get something in return since he's gotten nothing from it.

It's been widely known that Alwyn's used the SFP cardio and credited Lyle in the past-- just that now it seems to have changed since he's decided to rename it.

It's a bit different from saying "I reviewed the research and came to this conclusion on my own", when he didn't. It came from one place.

It's not illegal per se, but it's not something that makes me look at Alwyn any more favorably.

And I'm sure he's laughing all the way to the bank about it, so whatever.

[RedWifey]

Matt, I respect that. I am sorry if that information has been privy to the world and I missed it. Thanks for clarifing it.

This is an interesting interesting world...the world of fitness "professionals."

[getgot211]

Originally Posted by Lost Dog

I'll bet that Mike and Alwyn decided to charge more for this BECAUSE they wanted to weed out the people who weren't serious.

...really?

[nanook]

Originally Posted by Lost Dog

Plus, inversely, the cost helps to insure that you're serious about it. If you're going to half-ass it, you have some self-doubt about your resolve to finish/follow the program, you won't be willing to shell out $80.

I see your point on this. This is an aspect of higher cost that I wasn't considering.

[OldGuy]

I'll bet that Mike and Alwyn decided to charge more for this BECAUSE they wanted to weed out the people who weren't serious.

Or they have two "authors" to pay.

[Jean-Paul]

It's been widely known that Alwyn's used the SFP cardio and credited Lyle in the past-- just that now it seems to have changed since he's decided to rename it.

Without debating whether or not it's true in this case, isn't that pretty much what ALL fitness professionals do? How long to you own knowledge before you can name it? South Beach Diet is just a modified version of Atkins, which is a variation on the Body Opus program. They are all based on the same concept. Once you add a little variation, it eventually morphs into something else.

Very little is new under the sun... someone is always starting where someone else left off. Mike Roussell is a VERY well educated young man, and based on what I've heard out of him, I'd put him up against any nutrtionists out there. He's not out there stealing ideas... He's got his own credentials.

If two people tell you low carb and interval training work for fat loss, who's the theif? What if they are both basing their statements on the same scientific research, or what if they came to the same conclusion independently?

Newton and Leibniz both created calculus independently of each other. Was one necessarily a thief? If the laws of science and math are universal, why does only one person get to be right?

Ironically Newton and Liebniz had a famous feud throughout their entire adults lives. Guess things don't change all that much.

[twistedneck]

what can be contrasted physiologically between this type of program and other much more intense exercise like the tour de france? in a matter of days pounds of fat stores are gone. in comparison wsfl is mild. is this tapping that same sweet spot?

[Jean-Paul]

I don't see how. For starters, I'm assuming that this program is not designed for elite level cyclists with resting heart rates in the upper 30's. If I did ONE leg of the TDF, I'd collapse on the roadside and defacate on myself, twitching in a fetal position until someone scooped me off the road.

[PowerManDL]

Originally Posted by Jean-Paul

Without debating whether or not it's true in this case, isn't that pretty much what ALL fitness professionals do? How long to you own knowledge before you can name it? South Beach Diet is just a modified version of Atkins, which is a variation on the Body Opus program. They are all based on the same concept. Once you add a little variation, it eventually morphs into something else.

Very little is new under the sun... someone is always starting where someone else left off. Mike Roussell is a VERY well educated young man, and based on what I've heard out of him, I'd put him up against any nutrtionists out there. He's not out there stealing ideas... He's got his own credentials.

If two people tell you low carb and interval training work for fat loss, who's the theif? What if they are both basing their statements on the same scientific research, or what if they came to the same conclusion independently?

Newton and Leibniz both created calculus independently of each other. Was one necessarily a thief? If the laws of science and math are universal, why does only one person get to be right?

Ironically Newton and Liebniz had a famous feud throughout their entire adults lives. Guess things don't change all that much.

Nothing you've said here is incorrect.

Unfortunately, it's also not the point being addressed, either.

[Jean-Paul]

You're claiming that Alwyn is basically plagiarizing Lyle McDonald, right? Alwyn even credited him with something that he uses? What is the statute of limitations on knowledge. Does he have to mention Lyle's name every time he mentions that protocol, assuming that he got it from Lyle in the first place.

[PowerManDL]

Congratulations JP, you've just embittered me of hating.

I hope you're happy with yourself.

[Cynic]

Originally Posted by PowerManDL

Integrity? Who needs that when there's money to be made?

So, is this group going to forget about Jimmy and start laying into Alwyn? Is Alwyn bashing and excommunication the flavor of the month?

[cycomiko]

No, choad bashing is the flavour of the century

[Lost Dog]

Originally Posted by getgot211

...really?

I'm not sure how to respond.

I can tell you that some software products, seminars, consulting fees, etc are set to high levels to eliminate certain parties from purchasing them, attending, or using the services. Some customers aren't worth it. Too high maintenance, not serious enough, etc.

[Lost Dog]

Originally Posted by OldGuy

Or they have two "authors" to pay.

Or do they think that the consumer will see double the value and be willing to pay for two "experts?"