Cosgrove's Warp Speed Fat Loss

[kingkop182]

Program looks great- ebook has lots of spelling/grammatical errors. Not that it will affect the effectiveness of it; just looks a bit shabby.

[MAXX]

I purchased the program, and I agree that there are numerous typos. Also, some of the things don't seem to mesh--for example, there are some differences between what they say in the training description section and the exercise library.

I'm going to try and start this Monday, if I can get all the groceries. The workouts look pretty easy to me, tho I have not been working out the past few months. The hardest part for me is going to be the dietary changes, but I am looking at it as a 28 day challenge, which will hopefully keep me motivated. The price is a bit steep, but I like having something completely laid out for me with no thinking involved.

[gobbla]

Gabe didn't say the program wasn't any good\effective, so let's be cautious about defending arguments that weren't made in the first place. He said that he could have find a program for half the price that would probably work as well (Such as the one that Alwyn personally recommended as being the best ever).

Defiant1- Thanks, I missed your post. Just for the record I don't think the book necessarily "should" provide an after diet plan, it's not marketed as such...just a one month plan, so that's cool. I just wondered.

IMO the lack of definition on who these products are appropriate for is part of the problems why people are disappointed in dropping $100 on something that wasn't meant for you...then getting flogged on a forum for not knowing ahead of time that something that was marketed to death in front of you wasn't appropriate for you....duhhh...dumbass (in jest, not intended towards anyone or hurt anyone's feelings). That's one thing I like about Lyle McDonald's stuff. It's very specific in scope, the intended audience is normally very obvious, you're buying information not a program. So you can take what you learn and apply it across other aspects of your happy little world.

[cappuccino]

I'm assuming it's a great program because I know the names behind the product. I'm even tempted to try, cause I'd love to drop 7lbs before the summit :P

To further Kaiser's allegory...it's like buying that Tiffany's jewelery at K-mart, but not even discounted, and it comes in a box, but not the signature box. But, it's still a genuine Tiffany's. Now go give it to your wife without that blue box, or go send your friends to K-mart to get one too.

Now if I've never heard of Tiffany's and stumble across it when I'm out shopping at K-mart, and see that it looks like a good product and has good promising results, I'd probably buy it. I figure anything's worth a try and I sure would like to loose some fat quickly.

[RedLefty]

Originally Posted by cappuccino

To further Kaiser's allegory...it's like buying that Tiffany's jewelery at K-mart, but not even discounted, and it comes in a box, but not the signature box. But, it's still a genuine Tiffany's. Now go give it to your wife without that blue box, or go send your friends to K-mart to get one too.

Which again is horrible marketing, and I don't think that analogy fits your point.

I'm not seeing a single perspective change due to this discussion, because underneath the surface is the whole "guru" debate that's been going on for years.

Those who don't like the guru pedestal are criticizing the pricing/presentation of this new product.

Those who defend the guru pedestal think the pricing/presenation are justified and smart business.

From what I can tell the minds were already made up before any of us actually read the material. Is that accurate?

[gobbla]

Marketing = dead horse. Let's just pretend like absolutely nothing is going to change and everyone has their reasons for doing what they do and liking what they like.

If you buy it and are happy...let people know. Same goes if you aren't. If it's super fantastic then people should be made aware so that they too can take part in the super fantasticness. If you have criticism then perhaps the authors might take it into consideration for future products. IMO that is the power of the consumer.

We've got a training log section, set up a log and share your experience with others!

[Jean-Paul]

You nailed it right there, Gobbla. Not much more need be said after that. 4 pages of discussion boiled down to 7 sentences!

[Clemson]

Originally Posted by DKing

Alwyn made a post on another forum (StrengthCoach) taking about the long letter style copy. He mentioned that he has tried selling a product without the long ad copy to his e-mail list and saw moderate success, then about 3 months later re-did the website to long letter and resent it out to the same e-mail list and saw way more sales from the same group of people. For every product he has attempted it has always worked better, so obviously he continues to use it.

Danny

That is true for regular people but when I hear that stuff is being sold to coaches that are professionals with the same ad copy I cry BS.

[cappuccino]

I agree. Marketing discussion is a dead horse. I guess that's why I finally jumped in...cause I'm sick of reading about it. Maybe I was hoping it would beat the horse enough so we could stop talking about it

I'd be interested to know how the product works for folks.

Posted by Red Lefty: Which again is horrible marketing, and I don't think that analogy fits your point.

that was my point...product good...marketing bad FOR ME. If me no likey marketing, then product not focused to me. Me no likey marketing, me no wanty send my friends to that page for fear they think I'm sending them to infomercial. Me thinky alwyn and mike putty outty good stuff, so Im sure it's a gem, just me no likey the longy copy. Me guessing they use the technique cause it worky for them. MOre power to them. I hope they sell lots of copies.

[Jean-Paul]

Me thinky cappy got into Russy's secret medicine cabinet!

[RedWifey]

Originally Posted by Jean-Paul

You nailed it right there, Gobbla. Not much more need be said after that. 4 pages of discussion boiled down to 7 sentences!

Can I just say that RL said essentially the same thing in 5 sentances and 1 question...so technically 6 statments?

[cappuccino]

Originally Posted by RedWifey

Can I just say that RL said essentially the same thing in 5 sentances and 1 question...so technically 6 statments?

Only if you also say they said those 6-7 things cause I kept beating a dead horse :p

...back to my special medicine cabinet Me thirrrrrrrrsttttttttty

[Kaiser]

Originally Posted by RedLefty

Which again is horrible marketing

So says you. And that's my entire point about the marketing criticisms: every single one is based on the statement "I don't like the way that is marketed". Great - everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but my response to that from a marketers standpoint is that it doesn't matter much what any one of us individuals thinks if a) we're not the primary target market to which the marketing is addressed (and I don't know if we are, but we can't assume we are) and b) it works for the target demographic (and apparently it does, given what Danny and JP have mentioned about it).

The criticism is fine, and Alwyn would be wise to take note of it if a) we are his target demographic, or b) we wield so much word of mouth authority on the internet that it would adversely affect his sales. Just looking at the product, I'm not sure either of these is the case (although Alwyn would have the last word anyway). So if it isn't the case that either of the above is true, he would be foolish to change his marketing strategy because we make so much fuss about it.

All that being said, I agree with Tony's point that all of this is talking about the window dressing and detracts from the substantive talk of the actual product itself.

[russ]

Originally Posted by Jean-Paul

Me thinky cappy got into Russy's secret medicine cabinet!

It's some of the stuff I bought with my overabundance of Pang points

[Jean-Paul]

Originally Posted by russ

It's some of the stuff I bought with my overabundance of Pang points

LOL!

You don't any drugs at all to feel high while playing that game!

[russ]

Originally Posted by Jean-Paul

LOL!

You don't any drugs at all to feel high while playing that game!

The more you swing, the more you feel refreshed