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05-14-2008, 07:15 AM
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I thought that the cardio portion of WSFL seemed very similar (if not exactly the same) to Lyle's Stubborn Fat loss protocol. Interesting.
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05-14-2008, 07:27 AM
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Made in the USSR!
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Originally Posted by PowerManDL
With great, practically 100%, confidence I can say that it came from here: stubbornfatsolution
Alwyn's had a hard-on for making that concept "his" ever since Lyle showed it to him. No surprise to see him re-naming it and claiming it as his own in pure Guru-style.
Integrity? Who needs that when there's money to be made? 
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I am glad I saved $40 and got Lyle's stuff. His ad got me all I wanted to know, and the ad fits on one page.
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05-14-2008, 08:26 AM
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#153 (permalink)
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Day 3--I am already sick of chicken, and I am craving carbs big time. All I want is pizza. I am getting really hungry between meals, but then when I start to eat, I lose my appetite quickly. One of the snacks that was pretty good--blueberries, peanut butter, protein powder, and a little water mixed in a bowl. Sounds and looks disgusting, but is really tasty.
The workouts aren't bad, but my legs are extremely sore from the intervals. But I was pretty de-trained coming into the program. Today's 2 circuits--step-ups/db swings and crunches/RDL were pretty taxing. I was pretty light-headed and nauseated when I was finished, and I didn't have much in the tank for the intervals. It was more of a fast jog instead of a max sprint. Definitely feeling the EPOC after today's workout.....
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05-14-2008, 09:40 AM
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#154 (permalink)
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Has Pretty Lips
Join Date: Aug 2004
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What does EPOC feel like?
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05-14-2008, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by gobbla
What does EPOC feel like?
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The program says that the body will feel "hot" for extended periods of time after the workout due to the EPOC. I don't know enough about EPOC to know if that is the case or not, but I was extremely hot for 2 hours after the workout.
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05-14-2008, 09:59 AM
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PDML, in defense of Cosgroves "spot reduction" ideas, he spoke about it at my summit and gave full credit and proper citation to the studies that were the source of his info. He also qualified it as not significant, at least to the degree that the bad "Ab Blaster 9000" TV infomercials would make you think.
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05-14-2008, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Jean-Paul
PDML, in defense of Cosgroves "spot reduction" ideas, he spoke about it at my summit and gave full credit and proper citation to the studies that were the source of his info. He also qualified it as not significant, at least to the degree that the bad "Ab Blaster 9000" TV infomercials would make you think.
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So there are new studies that are significant enough now?
(note: not attacking. but the whole "not significant" and "let's use it as a selling point" doesn't jive together)
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05-14-2008, 10:40 AM
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#158 (permalink)
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Chaka smell sleestak
Join Date: Jul 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean-Paul
PDML, in defense of Cosgroves "spot reduction" ideas, he spoke about it at my summit and gave full credit and proper citation to the studies that were the source of his info. He also qualified it as not significant, at least to the degree that the bad "Ab Blaster 9000" TV infomercials would make you think.
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Also, on Mike's podcast from a while back, Alwyn says that he got it from Lyle and then referred to it as "Lyle McDonald's Stubburn Fat Loss Protocol" that he now uses with some clients.
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05-14-2008, 10:55 AM
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Luv'n Lift'n
Join Date: Nov 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PowerManDL
With great, practically 100%, confidence I can say that it came from here: stubbornfatsolution
Alwyn's had a hard-on for making that concept "his" ever since Lyle showed it to him. No surprise to see him re-naming it and claiming it as his own in pure Guru-style.
Integrity? Who needs that when there's money to be made? 
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Thank you so much for this link. Now here is a product I don't mind spending the money on and the ad doesn't attack my intelligence either. Natalie, you say you have this book? Was it especially useful to you? I should be at the 15% bf point in a few weeks and will start SFPing it down to 10% at that point. The more information I have the better.
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05-14-2008, 11:27 AM
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Let's turn this thread around. I like what Maxx is able to share with us, I like sharing other sources that are helpful on this topic, but you are unqualified to bash a product you haven't seen. If you have seen it, feel free to give us your opinion. But we are not here to bash Alwyn or Mike.
And PMDL, who says Lyle isn't getting his own kickback for having his protocol in the product? Maybe that's why it's $80?
And really, those people who work with trainers, I would be they pay at least $80 for 28 days of personal training. After buying this product you can do it as many times as you want to and don't ever have to pay again...not so with a trainer.
All I am really trying to do is see if there is anything positive we can say without the constant nagging and bitching.
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05-14-2008, 11:33 AM
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I'm on Day 3 also and I got to agree with Maxx that I'm feeling pretty sore and don't have much left in the tank for the intervals after completing the circuits. I'm keeping a log of everything so I'll let you all know how it works out.
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05-14-2008, 11:35 AM
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Arrow Dynamic Mom
Join Date: Apr 2007
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Originally Posted by jhardy
I thought that the cardio portion of WSFL seemed very similar (if not exactly the same) to Lyle's Stubborn Fat loss protocol. Interesting.
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It's also in NROLW, on page 27. Verry interesting.
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05-14-2008, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Defiant1
I'm on Day 3 also and I got to agree with Maxx that I'm feeling pretty sore and don't have much left in the tank for the intervals after completing the circuits. I'm keeping a log of everything so I'll let you all know how it works out.
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Day 3 here also. Today's workout was hard. I was very glad there was only three rounds of intervals instead of 6! I definitely have some fatigue but nothing I didn't expect considering I was eating a fairly high carb diet before. Things should get better in a few days. I have not been hungry once though.
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05-14-2008, 11:51 AM
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Luv'n Lift'n
Join Date: Nov 2007
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Originally Posted by RedWifey
Let's turn this thread around. I like what Maxx is able to share with us, I like sharing other sources that are helpful on this topic, but you are unqualified to bash a product you haven't seen. If you have seen it, feel free to give us your opinion. But we are not here to bash Alwyn or Mike.
And PMDL, who says Lyle isn't getting his own kickback for having his protocol in the product? Maybe that's why it's $80?
And really, those people who work with trainers, I would be they pay at least $80 for 28 days of personal training. After buying this product you can do it as many times as you want to and don't ever have to pay again...not so with a trainer.
All I am really trying to do is see if there is anything positive we can say without the constant nagging and bitching.
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Your intent is admirable but I find value in openly discussing this topic if you don't mind. I don't see so much bashing as discovery going on here. I too am intersted to hear about the positive results from those trying the product as I am a customer to such a thing if it does make sense.
Oh and about the trainers and cost... It is more like 80 dollars (or in my case more) an hour so this is obviously not about the money at all to someone like me.... It is about discovery and truth.
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05-14-2008, 11:52 AM
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#165 (permalink)
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Has Pretty Lips
Join Date: Aug 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MAXX
The program says that the body will feel "hot" for extended periods of time after the workout due to the EPOC. I don't know enough about EPOC to know if that is the case or not, but I was extremely hot for 2 hours after the workout.
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Neat. Thanks.
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05-14-2008, 12:03 PM
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#166 (permalink)
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Chaka smell sleestak
Join Date: Jul 2004
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I got this in an email this morning and thought of this thread and about the part of the discussion on cost relating to "value" of a program...
“What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly.”
Thomas Paine b.1737-1809 US patriot & political philosopher
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