Lax, there have always been experts here. Only about 4 or 5 came and went, and it did seem to leave a wake because people are still talking about it. For the record, posting volume didn't slow down for a second after that. In fact, I would say that it has done nothing but grow.
There is still a lot of really good talk going on in here though, both in the training forums, the nutrition forums, and yes, in the OT forums. I haven't noticed anyone not being able to speak their minds, short of being outright abusive.
If I didn't know any better, I'd say that this thread has been a lot of discussion. It's okay to not agree with everyone. It's to be expected in fact. Kaiser is presenting one side of the argument, and so is Gabe. It can get heated without the debators losing respect for one another. If you don't think that's true then venture down to the CE forum. We spar in there daily, but at the summit you wouldn't know it as we are all hanging out together, drinking and having a blast.
In other words, it's all good bro. Take a deep breath, and don't go nowhere (double negative intentional for all you grammar police out there).
I wonder how much of this program is really "cutting edge" or "secret" or "mind blowing". For those who do have the program, is it really that groundbreaking? I like the idea of having everything laid out, but is it really something that someone with a some solid training knowledge wouldn't be able to put together? I was just looking at the outline and was wondering how much of it that I could honestly put together..
For example, I've put some of my ideas about the some of the concepts of the system in red....I haven't seen the system, but I wonder how close I am to the ideas of the system.
In addition, with the Warp Speed Fat Loss System you will:
Discover the powerful “Targeted Fat Loss Cardio ” that has been scientifically crafted and designed to vaporize lower abdominal and inner thigh fat.-----Well as far as I know, we lose bodyfat like layers of an onion, so where did this whole "spot reduction" idea come back from?
Learn how to guarantee that you never lose one ounce of fat burning muscle (A recent study from the University of Connecticut showed that if you don’t do this you can lose up to 3.2lbs of muscle)----This could have to do with nutrient timing and protein intake, but you're going to guarantee that I won't lose one once of fat... Thats a pretty bold statement. I'm impressed with that guarantee.
The specific weight training routines that have been optimized so you will continue to burn body fat 38 hours later (even if you are sitting on the couch watching TV).--Ok so we're probably talking metabolic acceleration training.
The 2 Exercises you don’t know about that will turn your entire body into a Fat Burning Machine.-----Are you sure I don't know about these exercises? I know quite a few exercises that can elevate metabolism. I might be doing these 2 every day.
The biggest mistake you can make with your weight loss training. -------This could be quite a few things, ranging from bringing your caloric intake too low, to not training with enough intensity.
The exact cardio prescription that will increase your fat loss by over 100% while cutting your workout time in half. ---Ok, so this is where we go over interval training or some variation of it..
The 4 letter word that you must master so you can lose fat light years faster than anyone you know (don’t worry we will tell you what it is and how to easily harness its power).--Hmm, how about work, or food...After all, abs are made in the kitchen.
Why you can kiss those excruciatingly long 2 hour workouts good bye while your burn more fat and get out of the gym in 56 minutes or less.--Do people still workout for 2 hours these days??
28 Days of meal plans, listing exactly everything you need to eat (It doesn’t matter if you weigh 130lbs or 215lbs we have the specific diet plans for you). ---This could be various equations to determine caloric intake. But I do like the idea of not having to think about meal planning..
The one trick to shifting your carbohydrate intake that will fuel your fat burning exercise session while unleashing your stored bodyfat.---Probably nutrient timing related..
The shocking truth about how much protein you need to “protect” your muscle when losing weight.--The "shocking" truth is that it is not all that much, again it is all about when you consume the amount.
How to boost your metabolism by eating certain foods (that’s right – just by eating certain types of food you’ll burn more calories than if you didn’t).--You mean like high protein type foods?
How to extract the fat loss benefits from low carb diets without suffering from the energy lows that plague most people on them. --Well, since there are a few key times to make sure that you consume amounts of calories, and times where you don't need as much energy from carbs, again I can see how this would relate to nutrient timing.
I have great respect for Alwyn and have bought a few of his products, so I really do hope that the program is "ground breaking". My question is for someone who has the program, am I really so far off with my ideas?
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forza good post. do u know specifics of the uconn study? looked up kraemer wj and did not find on pub med. thaks, jeff check
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I wonder how much of this program is really "cutting edge" or "secret" or "mind blowing". For those who do have the program, is it really that groundbreaking? I like the idea of having everything laid out, but is it really something that someone with a some solid training knowledge wouldn't be able to put together? I was just looking at the outline and was wondering how much of it that I could honestly put together..
For example, I've put some of my ideas about the some of the concepts of the system in red....I haven't seen the system, but I wonder how close I am to the ideas of the system.
In addition, with the Warp Speed Fat Loss System you will:
Discover the powerful “Targeted Fat Loss Cardio ” that has been scientifically crafted and designed to vaporize lower abdominal and inner thigh fat.-----Well as far as I know, we lose bodyfat like layers of an onion, so where did this whole "spot reduction" idea come back from?
Learn how to guarantee that you never lose one ounce of fat burning muscle (A recent study from the University of Connecticut showed that if you don’t do this you can lose up to 3.2lbs of muscle)----This could have to do with nutrient timing and protein intake, but you're going to guarantee that I won't lose one once of fat... Thats a pretty bold statement. I'm impressed with that guarantee.
The specific weight training routines that have been optimized so you will continue to burn body fat 38 hours later (even if you are sitting on the couch watching TV).--Ok so we're probably talking metabolic acceleration training.
The 2 Exercises you don’t know about that will turn your entire body into a Fat Burning Machine.-----Are you sure I don't know about these exercises? I know quite a few exercises that can elevate metabolism. I might be doing these 2 every day.
The biggest mistake you can make with your weight loss training. -------This could be quite a few things, ranging from bringing your caloric intake too low, to not training with enough intensity.
The exact cardio prescription that will increase your fat loss by over 100% while cutting your workout time in half. ---Ok, so this is where we go over interval training or some variation of it..
The 4 letter word that you must master so you can lose fat light years faster than anyone you know (don’t worry we will tell you what it is and how to easily harness its power).--Hmm, how about work, or food...After all, abs are made in the kitchen.
Why you can kiss those excruciatingly long 2 hour workouts good bye while your burn more fat and get out of the gym in 56 minutes or less.--Do people still workout for 2 hours these days??
28 Days of meal plans, listing exactly everything you need to eat (It doesn’t matter if you weigh 130lbs or 215lbs we have the specific diet plans for you). ---This could be various equations to determine caloric intake. But I do like the idea of not having to think about meal planning..
The one trick to shifting your carbohydrate intake that will fuel your fat burning exercise session while unleashing your stored bodyfat.---Probably nutrient timing related..
The shocking truth about how much protein you need to “protect” your muscle when losing weight.--The "shocking" truth is that it is not all that much, again it is all about when you consume the amount.
How to boost your metabolism by eating certain foods (that’s right – just by eating certain types of food you’ll burn more calories than if you didn’t).--You mean like high protein type foods?
How to extract the fat loss benefits from low carb diets without suffering from the energy lows that plague most people on them. --Well, since there are a few key times to make sure that you consume amounts of calories, and times where you don't need as much energy from carbs, again I can see how this would relate to nutrient timing.
I have great respect for Alwyn and have bought a few of his products, so I really do hope that the program is "ground breaking". My question is for someone who has the program, am I really so far off with my ideas?
Forza, to answer your question, I don't think the program is ground breaking by any means. In fact, I was a bit surprised when I first saw the workouts, not because they are lacking by any means, its just that I expected so much more.
The program has a pretty detailed 28 day nutrition plan broken down into different weight classes. Which is great for people who are able to follow their menu 100%, but could be confusing and difficult to those who may need to personalize it a great deal.
I think the diet part is the key part of the plan. Super low calorie and carb. The "high carb" day is 20% carb. The workouts are similar to those you find in the other Cosgrove programs.
twistedneck-I honestly don't know about the study, I just figured it had to do with diet, but it seemed like a pretty bold statement to say that you won't lose any muscle whatsoever.
LaraT/Defiant-Thanks for the info about the program, I'm sure it will get some people great results, but I've purchased a few programs in the past that had alot of info that I already had read about or understood. I think thats the awesome thing about the internet, between all the fitness minds out there, there's not a whole lot of "new" concepts out there, if you know where to look.
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twistedneck-I honestly don't know about the study, I just figured it had to do with diet, but it seemed like a pretty bold statement to say that you won't lose any muscle whatsoever.
LaraT/Defiant-Thanks for the info about the program, I'm sure it will get some people great results, but I've purchased a few programs in the past that had alot of info that I already had read about or understood. I think thats the awesome thing about the internet, between all the fitness minds out there, there's not a whole lot of "new" concepts out there, if you know where to look.
I couldn't agree more with your last statement. I think most of the "experienced" people on these forums could build a pretty similar program using a low calorie, low carb, nutrient timing nutrition plan. And a workout plan that consisted of 3 weight resistance workouts comprised of 1 compound exercise with low reps and heavier loads and metabolic resistance circuits or EDT training. By doing this, would you see the same results as if you did the exact Warpspeed program? Probably not. Would you have a plan that would get you results and not cost $80? Probably so.
Maybe. But people have a tendency to overthink things in the planning stage, and over-analyze things and second guess their decisions as the work begins.
Shelling out $80 is a commitment and an "investment" that encourages most people to work hard and keep it up. Just like shelling out for supplements helps you shed fat, even if the supplement itself is doing jack.
Many people here could come up with a plan that works okay (e.g., shows results), but how long they would follow it is up for debate.
I believe that most people here wouldn't come up with a plan that would work as well as this one either (I haven't seen it, but the odds are with me, I think). I'm sure it pushes the limits of what you could handle, and if you wrote it yourself, you'd give up long before you'd give up on one written by two professionals with good track records.
Dude, I find myself bonking on the calories I'm eating and muddling through 3 lifting days a week on NROL4W. I can't imagine cutting my calories by 500 AND adding three more lifting/HIIT/SS days. Maybe somebody could do it, but not me.
Maybe. But people have a tendency to overthink things in the planning stage, and over-analyze things and second guess their decisions as the work begins.
Shelling out $80 is a commitment and an "investment" that encourages most people to work hard and keep it up. Just like shelling out for supplements helps you shed fat, even if the supplement itself is doing jack.
Many people here could come up with a plan that works okay (e.g., shows results), but how long they would follow it is up for debate.
I believe that most people here wouldn't come up with a plan that would work as well as this one either (I haven't seen it, but the odds are with me, I think). I'm sure it pushes the limits of what you could handle, and if you wrote it yourself, you'd give up long before you'd give up on one written by two professionals with good track records.
I agree with what you said about supplements, but not so much about the programs.
I've been following either a self designed program, or a very flexible template since I started lifting and I'd be less likely to give up with this stuff.
I think I'd be more likely to give up following somebody elses program as it would likely have things I wouldn't like, and that wouldn't suit me, and I don't know about all of the thought processes and ideas that went into creating the program like I would my own.
As for the money, hah I guess I have a bit of that motivation too with the supplements, gym membership, and now all the powerlifting equipment I buy lol.
But I think I'm past the stage where 'giving up' on my training will ever be an issue in my life again, so that might be why.
Completed day 1 yesterday. Found it difficult to actually eat all of the food. And this morning, I could only eat half the recommended breakfast. Workouts are pretty easy--they are a little taxing for me because I haven't worked out for 5 months.
Anyone tell me what chicken sausage is? I couldn't find it anywhere around here. I bought some turkey sausage links as a substitute.
Completed day 1 yesterday. Found it difficult to actually eat all of the food. And this morning, I could only eat half the recommended breakfast. Workouts are pretty easy--they are a little taxing for me because I haven't worked out for 5 months.
Anyone tell me what chicken sausage is? I couldn't find it anywhere around here. I bought some turkey sausage links as a substitute.
I had difficulty with all the food also. I didn't even finish my last snack. Can't help you with the chicken sausage, I subbed something else for it.
I will be upping the weights on the workouts, as I found them fairly easy as well. Maybe I was just expecting much harder! LOL
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The calories end up not being that drastic. The template in the program shows 9xBW but, it is higher than that once you start logging everything. Mike has a video about it in the members area.
The problem when I create a program or diet for myself is that I always put in the same things that I enjoy doing. So it's nice to train and eat based upon what someone else is telling you to do--forces you to try different things.
The problem when I create a program or diet for myself is that I always put in the same things that I enjoy doing. So it's nice to train and eat based upon what someone else is telling you to do--forces you to try different things.
Same here. I also hope to pick up a low carb habit or two after following someone elses meal plans for a while! I was never able to figure it out on my own!
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Consistent practice equals consistent progress.
Anyone tell me what chicken sausage is? I couldn't find it anywhere around here. I bought some turkey sausage links as a substitute.
around here, chicken sausages are dinner sausages (rather than breakfast type) and are found either in the fresh sausage/meat case (if made by the butcher there) or where you find the cryo-vac kielbasa style sausages. Aidells is a popular fully cooked brand I see in the markets.
Shelling out $80 is a commitment and an "investment" that encourages most people to work hard and keep it up. Just like shelling out for supplements helps you shed fat, even if the supplement itself is doing jack.
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I would have to disagree with you on this. Weight Watchers costs more then $100 to join and the failure rate is over 90%. How many people have expensive pieces of exercise equipment being used as clothes hangers.
I think that the motivation of the individual could be somewhat tied to the cost initially, but that motivation becomes less and less of a factor as the individual gets farther into the program.
I think you're right when it comes to long term commitments (gym memberships, weight watchers, etc.). But, still, 90% failure for WW might be good, considering that a 95% failure rate is often cited for diets, overall. You're twice as likely to stick with that than the average plan?
Yeah, like Roland said... what about gym memberships? People drop as much as $100 per month for some of these places, and all they do is the eliptcal 3 days a week and get nowhere. Paying the equivalent of one-month's membership for a big boost in fatloss doesn't seem so crazy to me. Are there better ways? Probably. But this one isn't the devil it's being made out to be.
I would never buy a fitness program with the idea that the price would be my motivation, either short term or long term.
Most people starting a new program will be enthused independent of price and that enthusiasm will carrry them for a short while. However, if the program is tough that enthusiasm quickly wains and the cost becomes a moot point.
I just think that your internal motivation is much more important than the price.
I would never buy a fitness program with the idea that the price would be my motivation, either short term or long term.
Most people starting a new program will be enthused independent of price and that enthusiasm will carrry them for a short while. However, if the program is tough that enthusiasm quickly wains and the cost becomes a moot point.
I just think that your internal motivation is much more important than the price.
It's not a conscious thing. People don't go look for a fat loss product to spend money on to motivate themselves. But, having spent $80, they are more likely to stick with it than had it been free. They don't want to waste the money.
People buy $39 worth of fat burners and burn more fat than the supplement probably accounts for. It's because they spent $39 and don't want to waste the money. So, they don't eat cheesecake and therefore lose fat.
If people were internally motivated, they wouldn't buy half the crap they buy. The people who buy this are likely the people that have tried the ones they whipped up themselves, downloaded for free, or read in Men's Fitness. Now, it's time to "get serious." $80. Sold.
It's not a conscious thing. People don't go look for a fat loss product to spend money on to motivate themselves. But, having spent $80, they are more likely to stick with it than had it been free. They don't want to waste the money.
I still can't agree with that. The biggest factors are if the person likes the program and they are seeing results.
A crappy $80 program is not easier to stick to than a crappy free program.
I still can't agree with that. The biggest factors are if the person likes the program and they are seeing results.
You're talking about you and I'm talking about the type of person who would buy a program for $80.
They're not going to like their own program and their not going to like this one. They'll be miserable on each one. But, since the $80 one has been tried on people and written by guys with a track record, they'll stick it out for 14 more days and see the progress.
On their own, they'll tone it down because "it's hard" and they're miserable. Because they don't know if the program is any good because if it was really good, "it wouldn't be free."
Disclaimer: free programs can be good and $80 programs can be bad, that's not the point of discussion.
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A crappy $80 program is not easier to stick to than a crappy free program.
In addition, with the Warp Speed Fat Loss System you will:
Discover the powerful “Targeted Fat Loss Cardio ” that has been scientifically crafted and designed to vaporize lower abdominal and inner thigh fat.-----Well as far as I know, we lose bodyfat like layers of an onion, so where did this whole "spot reduction" idea come back from?
With great, practically 100%, confidence I can say that it came from here: stubbornfatsolution
Alwyn's had a hard-on for making that concept "his" ever since Lyle showed it to him. No surprise to see him re-naming it and claiming it as his own in pure Guru-style.
Integrity? Who needs that when there's money to be made?
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