They are different, different structure and more cardio (HIIT and SS). I just finished Fat Loss 1. I am definitely in for a ride over the next month.
Please keep us posted weekly, if you can, on how this is working for you.
I am very tempted, but am leering of the "see the fat melt away" feel this has. Also $77 for something that is electronic and I have to print out seems a bit much considering the NROL books are only $30 for an actually copy of them.
But if you have results, I am much more inclined to give it a shot.
I think the ad is way cheesy and too expensive. I'm not paying $77 to have someone tell me to eat (a lot) less and exercise more (plus I'd pass out on 1000 cals/day - 1500 is hard enough to do). Of course, I may not be the target audience.. If I lost 20 pounds in a month (or at all) they'd be checking me in to the local eating disorders clinic. LOL. However, I guess they know what sells, right?
Well I am not the "target audience" but it uses the formula BW X 9 which isn't too bad for the short term. I actually thought the food portion was well thought out and I will be eating constantly. I am actually worried about fitting everything in since I am not used to eating 6 times a day.
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Please keep us posted weekly, if you can, on how this is working for you.
I am very tempted, but am leering of the "see the fat melt away" feel this has. Also $77 for something that is electronic and I have to print out seems a bit much considering the NROL books are only $30 for an actually copy of them.
But if you have results, I am much more inclined to give it a shot.
Good Luck
Will do. I will be posting in my log. The only part I printed was the workouts and the menu that pertained to my weight range. Personally, I am using this as a kickstart. I have more than 20lbs to lose.
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I think leigh either had or is going to have a very relevant blog post about education\products blah blah blah. Calorie deficit = weight loss. Calorie deficit + resistance training = weight loss w\ minimal lbm losses. A $3 cookie cutter (magazine article) program IF FOLLOWED that does those things will work as well as a $80 cookie cutter program.
It just seems to me that 6 days a week of weight training, HIIT and endurance workouts are a recipe for injury.
I would assume that the man who makes a good plan would take that into account, be sure that you're not heading that way, and it would be why it's so short term and meant for someone who at least somewhat knows what they're doing.
And as all programs, check with your doctor, if you're not healthy and whole then maybe it's not for you, etc.
Athletes train maybe 2 times a day 6 times a week quite often. The huge warnings that get put out about not overdoing it, only losing a pound or 2 a week, etc, are to combat the ignorance of the general public.
It took months of me undereating and working my ass off before I started seeing ill effects. 1 month is short. You can get away with nearly anything for only a month...
Honestly I think it is assumed that if you have more than 20lbs to lose then you don't know enough about nutrition and you aren't fit enough to do it. I think that is an assumption made across the industry. (At least that is the feeling I get many times when researching things.) Or maybe it is a CYA statement.
I can see that; which then I think tends to show that people here would be the target audience.
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Nah. It's prolly the people that are similar to us, but not as big gym rats, and less overall .... informed on the topics, or people who just can't manage to get/keep their act together. It's only a month. If you only had like 10-20 left, you've been at it forever, you can take whatever can be dished out for a month, but you're sick of the 1-2/week level progress...
I am curently doing NROL for Women but really need a jump start on some fat loss for a few events coming up. It is very low calorie. It has me at 1045 cals/day compared to 1650/1850 that NROL4W has me and I just don't know how I would be able to manage. The workouts look pretty tough--alternate days of weights and intervals with interval/steady state workouts. One day of rest (and no carbs).
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Holy shit really????!!!! You mean every day? What so fucking secret about that diet?? "The starve your body, exercise like crazy to lose 5lbs a week plan" Uh...
I hope this is a misprint or you are a very tiny person.
Your NROLW calories are the same as mine. I'm 5'2" and have at most 20# to lose (maybe less). I thought that starving was bad, that you can't build muscle (or even maintain it) at those levels...
Yeah, I get that it's a short-term "crash" diet... but I can't imagine eating that low and working out hard. And NROLW (I'm on stage 3 right now) isn't anywhere near as intense and extreme as what was described (6/week lifting and HIIT).
Aren't we supposed to, theoretically, be learning a way of life? A HEALTHY way of life? Isn't a big point of NROLW explaining why crash diets are so bad and how they hurt our metabolism, etc etc...?????
I guess I'm not the target audience for this, 'cuz I'm way too skeptical (not of the results, but of the health risks and longterm consequences), even if Allwyn has his name on it.
Nah. It's prolly the people that are similar to us, but not as big gym rats, and less overall .... informed on the topics, or people who just can't manage to get/keep their act together. It's only a month. If you only had like 10-20 left, you've been at it forever, you can take whatever can be dished out for a month, but you're sick of the 1-2/week level progress...
Ok; the quick fix principle. I can buy that; however if it's not us; then this question...
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To anyone that has this, is there an "After the program" recommendation on maintaining the losses?
...is the same as mine. If it's someone who doesn't have the work ethic/desire, and this is the quick fix solution; I am very intrigued to see what that after plan is and if there is a very good risk of a substantial rebound, because of the aforementioned people who can't get their act together.
(that's just a nasty sentence)
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I don't have it, I honestly don't know, I'm just speculating.
However, I'd do it. If I were better conditioned and ate meat. I think it's the "big push" idea. It's not meant to keep things that way.
I'd say I'm prolly that target audience, except that the copy doesn't work for me and all I wanted to see was the price. I know what I'm doing, but frankly faster results would be a good thing, as maintaining I'm relatively good at. The entire reason I started gaining in the first place is because I never felt "finished" to begin with... and then I could take off any weight once i put even the tiniest back on.
But...
Maybe the target audience is both "higher" and "lower" than us. People who aren't quite savvy enough to get their act together, and people who know quite well that this is a quick burn and then return to normal... and who realize that the huge warnings about undereating are meant for people who if you told sometimes it's ok to undereat would starve themselves to death. It's for the people who either don't get it yet, or are already beyond getting it.
Maybe.
I am bad with words today. That likely made no sense except to be insulting.
I seriously doubt that illness, injury and death are a typical result of this 28 day plan.
It's pretty simple, really. If you're in need of something fast, or simply growing impatient, then here is a way to lose the fat quick. Cosgrove and Roussell lay it out so you don't have to think (which, by the way, is a helluva lot easier to follow than trying to design and shop for your own crash diet - especially about 2 weeks in when you feel like quitting), you get your results, and then you move on. Since they're knowledgable guys, you can rest assured that you won't get hurt/sick from doing it.
Anyway, they recommend in at least one spot not doing it for more than 6 weeks, and then continuing with one of Cosgrove's other more moderate fat loss plans.
I don't understand the anger here... I don't get angry when I see an ad for a 50 inch flat screen HDTV. I don't have one, and don't feel the need to spend my money on it. But I'm not a big "gadget" guy, so the ads aren't aimed at me. You know how I KNOW that they're not aimed at me? Cause I don't want one. But I don't complain that they have ads for them!
And if you think typical TV ads - or magazine ads - are any less manipulative and aimed specifically at making money - than Cosgrove's page... well, then there's no hope for you!
I don't have it, I honestly don't know, I'm just speculating.
However, I'd do it. If I were better conditioned and ate meat. I think it's the "big push" idea. It's not meant to keep things that way.
I'd say I'm prolly that target audience, except that the copy doesn't work for me and all I wanted to see was the price. I know what I'm doing, but frankly faster results would be a good thing, as maintaining I'm relatively good at. The entire reason I started gaining in the first place is because I never felt "finished" to begin with... and then I could take off any weight once i put even the tiniest back on.
But...
Maybe the target audience is both "higher" and "lower" than us. People who aren't quite savvy enough to get their act together, and people who know quite well that this is a quick burn and then return to normal... and who realize that the huge warnings about undereating are meant for people who if you told sometimes it's ok to undereat would starve themselves to death. It's for the people who either don't get it yet, or are already beyond getting it.
Maybe.
I am bad with words today. That likely made no sense except to be insulting.
This made a lot of sense and I think you hit the nail on the head with your assessment.
Crash diets in people with no idea how to lose/maintain for the long haul are not a good idea. This is a "crash diet" for people who already have these skills but just want that extra push. It really is nothing different then one would do while cutting before a competition. In fact, it is less extreme because it doesn't involve deyhdration, salt manipulation etc. Also more food and less working out then many of the "cutting plans" I have read about in Oxygen magazine and on their forums where many competitors hang out.
This program argues that with lifting and enough protein you won't lose muscle mass. They reference a few research studies. The workouts look tough but doable, similar to NROL4W, just more reps/sets since teh focus is not on hypertrophy. Working out six days a week is hardly a recipe for injury if someone is fit. And again, it is only for 28 days.
People who crash diet then go back to eating McD's and doritos will likely regain it all back. People who "crash diet" and then go back to eating their normal healthful way (a la NROL4W or comparable) woudl most likely not regain more than a lb or two back of water I would imagine.
None of our favorite authors have really got out of the niche category in the business. The big money is in the 'celebrity' route. It would be fun to see some (one) of our guys make it big. And I am confident that they would continue to write/speak in the same manner of responsible, not anti-science/experience, towards better health things that we have come to know.
So why do a different kind of marketing? The have done a few types for ten years, and still not broke out of the niche market.
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I seriously doubt that illness, injury and death are a typical result of this 28 day plan......
I don't understand the anger here... I don't get angry when I see an ad for a 50 inch flat screen HDTV. I don't have one, and don't feel the need to spend my money on it. But I'm not a big "gadget" guy, so the ads aren't aimed at me. You know how I KNOW that they're not aimed at me? Cause I don't want one. But I don't complain that they have ads for them!
And if you think typical TV ads - or magazine ads - are any less manipulative and aimed specifically at making money - than Cosgrove's page... well, then there's no hope for you!
1. I disagree in part with your first sentence. I doubt highly that there is good health in all the case study people here. I would bet that at least a percentage of them came down with colds, flu, etc during the testing.
2. Selling a TV is not even remotely the same as recommending health related products. One fries your brain if you chose to use it but at least you know it does that. Seriously, a TV is a TV and its purpose and definition are pretty defined. The other one claims to be good for you at least on the level that you can get thin (which is healthy right?). In reality the "goodness" of the program for your health is in great debate and then the long term effects of the program are in greater debate. Personally I think the second walks the "good ethics/bad ethics" line. Unfortunately the people it victimizes most are the very same people who need good and tried methods of weight loss the most, not some quick fix.
To anyone that has this, is there an "After the program" recommendation on maintaining the losses?
Mike actually mentions in the program that they don't have a plan for coming off of the program yet. So that is kind of disappointing IMO.
It kind of reminds me of a detailed plan for advanced trainees that is being marketed too much towards the general audience. I've only skimmed through the program, and they jump to a lot of conclusions that you actually know what you are doing. There is a very detailed nutrition plan that is put together for different weight stages that takes up about 75% of the material you receive. I don't doubt that if you stick to the plan you would see good results, but if you want to customize your plan any, it appears to not be as "easy" as they make it seem.
After just dropping roughly $80 on it, I'm pretty disappointed really. WHo knows though...my opinion might change in the next 28 days.
The premise of this new program is very similar to Jillian Michaels' book "making the cut"...30 days, low cals., cardio., strict meal plan, and little or no time off...and it was free to check out from the library! I know many may feel she is not Cosgrove but she gets really great results with her clients too. Just saying...
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The premise of this new program is very similar to Jillian Michaels' book "making the cut"...30 days, low cals., cardio., strict meal plan, and little or no time off...and it was free to check out from the library! I know many may feel she is not Cosgrove but she gets really great results with her clients too. Just saying...
Jillian's book is what crossed my mind when I first read about this new book.
I got a unexpected bonus at work today and decided to try it. Not too happy at having to pay 17.5% VAT (value added Tax) on it though.
Not their fault but i've never had to pay it before when downloading similar products
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Unfortunately the people it victimizes most are the very same people who need good and tried methods of weight loss the most, not some quick fix.
IMO, when you shell out $70+ you are no longer a victim. You are asking for whatever it is you paid that price for. Now if it was for $15, it might be considered predatory (since anybody could afford it) IMO. But $70 makes it less "victimizing."
Unfortunately the people it victimizes most are the very same people who need good and tried methods of weight loss the most, not some quick fix.
Unfortunately, Karla, here is where your lack of knowledge shines through.
Alwyn has stated that he has on file every workout that has been done, and every nutrition plan done by his clients at his training center since it opened (somewhere around 20 years). His training center is his laboratory. He knows what works and what doesn't. I don't doubt that if you followed this plan, to the T, that you will get the results he is claiming. Long boring ad copy not withstanding.
This is not a lifestyle changing, long term diet and exercise plan. It's a get me into a beach body by Memorial Day plan. Don't make it out to be anything that it is not.
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I don't doubt that if you stick to the plan you would see good results, but if you want to customize your plan any, it appears to not be as "easy" as they make it seem.
I thought the food was pretty easily switched out if you needed to. I have a dairy allergy and it was just a matter of subbed serving for serving of fat or protein. Same with meat, veggies and fruit (although I only made one or two substitutions there). That kind of stuff is right up my alley though.
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Regarding text type: someone wraps up a Rolex watch as a gift for you in a plain cardboard box with newspaper as wrapping, and you can't get past the crappy wrapping to enjoy how sweet the actual gift is. That's just sad.
Regarding text type: someone wraps up a Rolex watch as a gift for you in a plain cardboard box with newspaper as wrapping, and you can't get past the crappy wrapping to enjoy how sweet the actual gift is. That's just sad.
How can you be sure it's anything of quality? It's wrapped up in newspaper. I appreciate you proving my point. You are assuming that just because he put it out it must be good. He is trading in on his name. It's not sustainable as long as a sizable portion of the market is turned off. Word of mouth works both ways.
I apologize if you own the program and can substantiate it's claims of effectiveness. If you did buy it I bet I could have saved you half the money on other just as effective programs.
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How can you be sure it's anything of quality? It's wrapped up in newspaper. I appreciate you proving my point. You are assuming that just because he put it out it must be good. He is trading in on his name. It's not sustainable as long as a sizable portion of the market is turned off. Word of mouth works both ways.
I apologize if you own the program and can substantiate it's claims of effectiveness. If you did buy it I bet I could have saved you half the money on other just as effective programs.
Seriously, how do you know it isn't any good? I own a few of Alwyn's things, although not this particular program. I know the depth of his knowledge. I know the respect with which he is held by many of his peers.
You're critical of Ryan Lee's techniques in your previous post Gabe, but they work. If they didn't people wouldn't use them. YOU, and many of us here, may not like the way the product is presented (and you state you could do a better job of marketing it - well, there's money to be made, so get to it!), but that doesn't mean it is NOT effective. But, just to give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you can provide us with the last successful marketing campaign you've run?
MY point is that he's using the Ryan Lee technique (which is proven) specifically because a good portion of the market doesn't know his name. You're criticizing him for using the RL technique, and then criticizing me for saying Alwyn has a good rep. You can't have it both ways. Most of his potential customers will neither have heard of him nor be predisposed to disliking Ryan's methods. Nor will they likely have perused fitness forums with people who have dedicated their days to ripping other people's efforts, meaning word of mouth is likely irrelevant. Which means it's a smart move for Alwyn to go with the proven marketing route.
Seriously, a TV is a TV and its purpose and definition are pretty defined. The other one claims to be good for you at least on the level that you can get thin (which is healthy right?). In reality the "goodness" of the program for your health is in great debate and then the long term effects of the program are in greater debate. Personally I think the second walks the "good ethics/bad ethics" line. Unfortunately the people it victimizes most are the very same people who need good and tried methods of weight loss the most, not some quick fix.
Very true...
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