Cosgrove's Warp Speed Fat Loss

[bacardio]

Originally Posted by frogguruami

They are different, different structure and more cardio (HIIT and SS). I just finished Fat Loss 1. I am definitely in for a ride over the next month.

Please keep us posted weekly, if you can, on how this is working for you.

I am very tempted, but am leering of the "see the fat melt away" feel this has. Also $77 for something that is electronic and I have to print out seems a bit much considering the NROL books are only $30 for an actually copy of them.

But if you have results, I am much more inclined to give it a shot.

Good Luck

[frogguruami]

Originally Posted by featherz

I think the ad is way cheesy and too expensive. I'm not paying $77 to have someone tell me to eat (a lot) less and exercise more (plus I'd pass out on 1000 cals/day - 1500 is hard enough to do). Of course, I may not be the target audience.. If I lost 20 pounds in a month (or at all) they'd be checking me in to the local eating disorders clinic. LOL. However, I guess they know what sells, right?

Well I am not the "target audience" but it uses the formula BW X 9 which isn't too bad for the short term. I actually thought the food portion was well thought out and I will be eating constantly. I am actually worried about fitting everything in since I am not used to eating 6 times a day.

[frogguruami]

Originally Posted by bacardio

Please keep us posted weekly, if you can, on how this is working for you.

I am very tempted, but am leering of the "see the fat melt away" feel this has. Also $77 for something that is electronic and I have to print out seems a bit much considering the NROL books are only $30 for an actually copy of them.

But if you have results, I am much more inclined to give it a shot.

Good Luck

Will do. I will be posting in my log. The only part I printed was the workouts and the menu that pertained to my weight range. Personally, I am using this as a kickstart. I have more than 20lbs to lose.

[gobbla]

I think leigh either had or is going to have a very relevant blog post about education\products blah blah blah. Calorie deficit = weight loss. Calorie deficit + resistance training = weight loss w\ minimal lbm losses. A $3 cookie cutter (magazine article) program IF FOLLOWED that does those things will work as well as a $80 cookie cutter program.

[DDRdiva]

Is this the program that is being referred to here:
Lyle McDonald - Steady State vs. Interval Training: Getting to the point Part 2 | Lyle McDonald Speaks

It just seems to me that 6 days a week of weight training, HIIT and endurance workouts are a recipe for injury.

[Aoife]

It just seems to me that 6 days a week of weight training, HIIT and endurance workouts are a recipe for injury.

I would assume that the man who makes a good plan would take that into account, be sure that you're not heading that way, and it would be why it's so short term and meant for someone who at least somewhat knows what they're doing.

And as all programs, check with your doctor, if you're not healthy and whole then maybe it's not for you, etc.

Athletes train maybe 2 times a day 6 times a week quite often. The huge warnings that get put out about not overdoing it, only losing a pound or 2 a week, etc, are to combat the ignorance of the general public.

It took months of me undereating and working my ass off before I started seeing ill effects. 1 month is short. You can get away with nearly anything for only a month...

[ninja]

Originally Posted by frogguruami

Honestly I think it is assumed that if you have more than 20lbs to lose then you don't know enough about nutrition and you aren't fit enough to do it. I think that is an assumption made across the industry. (At least that is the feeling I get many times when researching things.) Or maybe it is a CYA statement.

I can see that; which then I think tends to show that people here would be the target audience.

[Aoife]

Nah. It's prolly the people that are similar to us, but not as big gym rats, and less overall .... informed on the topics, or people who just can't manage to get/keep their act together. It's only a month. If you only had like 10-20 left, you've been at it forever, you can take whatever can be dished out for a month, but you're sick of the 1-2/week level progress...

[Bytsi]

Originally Posted by LaraT

I am curently doing NROL for Women but really need a jump start on some fat loss for a few events coming up. It is very low calorie. It has me at 1045 cals/day compared to 1650/1850 that NROL4W has me and I just don't know how I would be able to manage. The workouts look pretty tough--alternate days of weights and intervals with interval/steady state workouts. One day of rest (and no carbs).

Originally Posted by kfisherx

Holy shit really????!!!! You mean every day? What so fucking secret about that diet?? "The starve your body, exercise like crazy to lose 5lbs a week plan" Uh...

I hope this is a misprint or you are a very tiny person.

Your NROLW calories are the same as mine. I'm 5'2" and have at most 20# to lose (maybe less). I thought that starving was bad, that you can't build muscle (or even maintain it) at those levels...

Yeah, I get that it's a short-term "crash" diet... but I can't imagine eating that low and working out hard. And NROLW (I'm on stage 3 right now) isn't anywhere near as intense and extreme as what was described (6/week lifting and HIIT).

Aren't we supposed to, theoretically, be learning a way of life? A HEALTHY way of life? Isn't a big point of NROLW explaining why crash diets are so bad and how they hurt our metabolism, etc etc...?????

I guess I'm not the target audience for this, 'cuz I'm way too skeptical (not of the results, but of the health risks and longterm consequences), even if Allwyn has his name on it.

[gobbla]

To anyone that has this, is there an "After the program" recommendation on maintaining the losses?

[ninja]

Originally Posted by Aoife

Nah. It's prolly the people that are similar to us, but not as big gym rats, and less overall .... informed on the topics, or people who just can't manage to get/keep their act together. It's only a month. If you only had like 10-20 left, you've been at it forever, you can take whatever can be dished out for a month, but you're sick of the 1-2/week level progress...

Ok; the quick fix principle. I can buy that; however if it's not us; then this question...

Originally Posted by gobbla

To anyone that has this, is there an "After the program" recommendation on maintaining the losses?

...is the same as mine. If it's someone who doesn't have the work ethic/desire, and this is the quick fix solution; I am very intrigued to see what that after plan is and if there is a very good risk of a substantial rebound, because of the aforementioned people who can't get their act together.

(that's just a nasty sentence)

[Aoife]

I don't have it, I honestly don't know, I'm just speculating.
However, I'd do it. If I were better conditioned and ate meat. I think it's the "big push" idea. It's not meant to keep things that way.

I'd say I'm prolly that target audience, except that the copy doesn't work for me and all I wanted to see was the price. I know what I'm doing, but frankly faster results would be a good thing, as maintaining I'm relatively good at. The entire reason I started gaining in the first place is because I never felt "finished" to begin with... and then I could take off any weight once i put even the tiniest back on.

But...
Maybe the target audience is both "higher" and "lower" than us. People who aren't quite savvy enough to get their act together, and people who know quite well that this is a quick burn and then return to normal... and who realize that the huge warnings about undereating are meant for people who if you told sometimes it's ok to undereat would starve themselves to death. It's for the people who either don't get it yet, or are already beyond getting it.
Maybe.

I am bad with words today. That likely made no sense except to be insulting.

[Ian Kay]

I seriously doubt that illness, injury and death are a typical result of this 28 day plan.

It's pretty simple, really. If you're in need of something fast, or simply growing impatient, then here is a way to lose the fat quick. Cosgrove and Roussell lay it out so you don't have to think (which, by the way, is a helluva lot easier to follow than trying to design and shop for your own crash diet - especially about 2 weeks in when you feel like quitting), you get your results, and then you move on. Since they're knowledgable guys, you can rest assured that you won't get hurt/sick from doing it.

Anyway, they recommend in at least one spot not doing it for more than 6 weeks, and then continuing with one of Cosgrove's other more moderate fat loss plans.

I don't understand the anger here... I don't get angry when I see an ad for a 50 inch flat screen HDTV. I don't have one, and don't feel the need to spend my money on it. But I'm not a big "gadget" guy, so the ads aren't aimed at me. You know how I KNOW that they're not aimed at me? Cause I don't want one. But I don't complain that they have ads for them!

And if you think typical TV ads - or magazine ads - are any less manipulative and aimed specifically at making money - than Cosgrove's page... well, then there's no hope for you!

[LaraT]

Originally Posted by Aoife

I don't have it, I honestly don't know, I'm just speculating.
However, I'd do it. If I were better conditioned and ate meat. I think it's the "big push" idea. It's not meant to keep things that way.

I'd say I'm prolly that target audience, except that the copy doesn't work for me and all I wanted to see was the price. I know what I'm doing, but frankly faster results would be a good thing, as maintaining I'm relatively good at. The entire reason I started gaining in the first place is because I never felt "finished" to begin with... and then I could take off any weight once i put even the tiniest back on.

But...
Maybe the target audience is both "higher" and "lower" than us. People who aren't quite savvy enough to get their act together, and people who know quite well that this is a quick burn and then return to normal... and who realize that the huge warnings about undereating are meant for people who if you told sometimes it's ok to undereat would starve themselves to death. It's for the people who either don't get it yet, or are already beyond getting it.
Maybe.

I am bad with words today. That likely made no sense except to be insulting.

This made a lot of sense and I think you hit the nail on the head with your assessment.

Crash diets in people with no idea how to lose/maintain for the long haul are not a good idea. This is a "crash diet" for people who already have these skills but just want that extra push. It really is nothing different then one would do while cutting before a competition. In fact, it is less extreme because it doesn't involve deyhdration, salt manipulation etc. Also more food and less working out then many of the "cutting plans" I have read about in Oxygen magazine and on their forums where many competitors hang out.

This program argues that with lifting and enough protein you won't lose muscle mass. They reference a few research studies. The workouts look tough but doable, similar to NROL4W, just more reps/sets since teh focus is not on hypertrophy. Working out six days a week is hardly a recipe for injury if someone is fit. And again, it is only for 28 days.

People who crash diet then go back to eating McD's and doritos will likely regain it all back. People who "crash diet" and then go back to eating their normal healthful way (a la NROL4W or comparable) woudl most likely not regain more than a lb or two back of water I would imagine.

[RobLL]

None of our favorite authors have really got out of the niche category in the business. The big money is in the 'celebrity' route. It would be fun to see some (one) of our guys make it big. And I am confident that they would continue to write/speak in the same manner of responsible, not anti-science/experience, towards better health things that we have come to know.

So why do a different kind of marketing? The have done a few types for ten years, and still not broke out of the niche market.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein, (attributed)
US (German-born) physicist (1879 - 1955)

So they are trying something else.