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missjane · 06-19-2008, 06:01 PM

Espi, the wrist is at about 80%, but I haven't hit the gym since Sophie's death. Hopefully, tomorrow I will test it out.

MAXX · 06-26-2008, 01:27 PM

Alright, here is my final report on WSFL........

It has now been 3 weeks since I have finished the program and my weight and bodyfat are still exactly the same--no change. I found the first week after I finished the program that I had almost no desire to eat any of the starchy and sugary carbs that I had eliminated. And believe me, I was strongly tempted at graduation parties! So I ate pretty well and I was doing some light cardio that first week. I did however have 2 nights were I drank my share of Jack & Cokes!

The last 2 weeks, my diet has been getting progressively worse. I have been adding in some grain products and starchy carbs, but nowhere near the amount I was consuming before. I've managed to stay away from sweets for the most part, and I would say that about 50% of my calories are from protein. I am also in my second week of Dos's Power Training strength template. I'm doing a 3 day total body program that I modified slightly, and I have 3 days of cardio/intervals intertwined.

So overall, I think the WSFL was money well spent--I didn't lose as much weight as I had hoped, but it did change my eating habits enough to maintain my loss. I am going to start keeping a log on my Power Training workouts, and I will post before and after pics at the end of the 10 weeks, which should be right around the end of August.

MAXX · 06-26-2008, 01:47 PM

One last thing.....someone asked me how I felt while doing the program: I felt great!! Mentally, I had some cravings, but physically, I could not even force myself to eat starchy or sugary carbs for the first week off the program. I flt great energy wise throughout the day and was able to stay up later and get up without hitting the snooze--and I was getting up an hour earlier to get my workouts in!

The toughest part was that as I made substitutions in the meals, I felt some guilt that maybe I wasn't being as strict, even tho my subs were on the approved list that came with the program. I also noticed that when I subbed foods, I started becoming hungrier throughout the day, where in the first 2 weeks of the program, I was always full.

The program definitely helped modify my eating. I am slowly digressing back to my old habits, but I also have been lifting more and needing more carbs. Hopefully I can stay where I am right now as I feel it is a good balance.

msmogreen · 06-28-2008, 09:14 AM

So, as it turns out, my body has not defied the law of thermodynamics after all. I am on day 27 (I've been trying to hold out reporting until Monday, but I just couldn't resist), and for two days in a row the scale has read 135, actually, slightly below. I am ecstatic. Even after week two I was not seeing significant change, maybe 1-1/2 lbs. and with my weight still fluctuating up and down day to day. Amazingly, this past week my weight dropped three days in a row to 137, 136, 135.

Now I did modify the plan simply by moving down in meal plans. After week one, I took Leigh's advice and dropped from the initial 140 plan to the 130 plan. With still no change, I emailed WSFL and Mike responded by suggesting I drop down one more. So, I finished out (or am finishing) the last two weeks on the 125 lb. meal plan (novel concept). Really, the differences from one plan to the other were so subtle I didn't feel like I was eating less (I had one day of hunger on 130 lb. plan, but that was it), and often the calories logged weren't much lower. The food was easy, didn't have one starchy carb and didn't miss them. After being on PN for a while, pretty much my only regular starchy carb indulgences were oatmeal a few times a week and the occasional sweet potato, so it wasn't much of a sacrifice. I have stayed on track with the workouts as well except for one occasion where I could not do my post-weight training intervals due to my ankles cramping on the treadmill...and last night because I had clients back to back until 9:00 p.m. and I had nothing left. I'll make that up this afternoon. It didn't matter too much as my calorie burn was only 100 less for the day, I missed a meal, so my deficit was over 800.

My goal (besides the bikini thing) was to shed the last of the 8 lbs. I'd put on since changing departments at work back in September. I work in a horrible department where nearly everyone is fat and getting fatter. Potlucks, donuts and birthday cakes abound. I admit that I caved to many times because I didn't want everyone to hate me for being fit and healthy. I didn't want to seem a snob. Anyway, that atmosphere and the holidays took their toll. I weighed 134 lbs. when I started in September and today I am 3/4 lb. away from that. My pants once again fit me as they did back then (a little too loose, getting ready to drop a size). Perhaps by Monday.

I did buy a bikini. Mail order and it arrived on Tuesday. In the general population, I can get away with it, but I still have left over pudge that I want to work on. After this, I am going to use what I've picked up from Leigh's materials. I'm not sure yet where to go with my weight training. I might go back to NROL4W since I was not able to complete it the first time due to a slight shoulder impingement, which hardly bothers me at all now...and I hate not finishing. I'll probably go back to the beginning and I'd like to join the woman's challenge in August. I am a sucker for fitness challenges.

So, did I need Warp Speed Fat Loss to get this done? Maybe not...but I doubt I would have put it all together on my own, so maybe so, because I have never managed to lose even a lb./week on my own. To lose MORE than a lb. a week feels like a miracle to me. I loved the meal plans...got some great new food combo ideas. Will I do this again? I'm thinking January is the month to do this, deflect the damage from holiday indiscretions. Although, ideally, I can for once stay disciplined through the holidays and I won't need it.

Okay, now I'm running late for work.

Kathy

foodfromafar · 06-28-2008, 10:31 AM

Thanks for sharing Maxx and Kathy! You've both done an incredible job and have the tools you need to maintain! That is SO great!!

RedEye · 07-10-2008, 10:46 AM

On a related note:

Another Guru plagiarist case

Bytsi · 07-10-2008, 11:08 AM

I read Lyle's blog today... it made me sad. I like Alwyn's programming, but I have trouble seeing a way he could clear his name, based on Lyle's proof. It's sad, if Lyle's charges are as true as they appear...

MAXX · 07-10-2008, 03:19 PM

Hmm, should I ask for a refund for WSFL since it was ripped from someone else??.......

kfisherx · 07-11-2008, 05:33 PM

When this thread started and I saw the marketing crap that was done with this product I was inspired immediately to buy Lyle's book. I am very glad that I did. It is awesome. Very detailed and a wonderful albeit dry read.

I don't know Maxx. It is hard to say. You did use the product and it did work for you especially the eating part which was not stolen material. That siad, personally I would at least as "WTF" to the author of the product you purchased. Perhaps even buy Lyle's book so that you have a bigger picture as well and support the original author.

msmogreen · 07-11-2008, 11:33 PM

I also got good results from WSFL. And as you point out, the eating part and actual workouts weren't stolen. But I went ahead and ordered Lyle's book today to support the 'original author' and just for more information to absorb. Sounds like there will be more of that.

MAXX · 07-16-2008, 08:58 PM

When I first started WSFL, I spoke to Alywn on another forum about starting a forum for those doing the program, which he summarily dismissed as unneccessary. Now I get an email saying that a forum has been started and I get a free 45 day trial, and then it's $10 a month!!! Are you serious? I gotta pay them more money to discuss the program? Talk about the rich getting richer. Or maybe that have to recoup some of the money they're losing from providing refunds following the plagiarism fiasco. It really burns me because I really like WSFL and Roussell's Naked Nutrition (i don't care for much of Alwyn's stuff). But I'm not gonna keep shelling out money for their stuff!!!.........

jhardy · 07-16-2008, 09:03 PM

Maxx--I agree, it is ridiculous. How do you like Naked Nutrition? I really wanted a maintenance plan that is similar to WSFL but I was told that there are other products available to purchase and that they wouldn't provide any guidance. Is Naked Nutrition similar in the way the templates and food lists are set up? Is it worth the money?

MAXX · 07-16-2008, 09:14 PM

I liked Naked Nutrition--its not worth the money I paid, but it has some valuable tips and information. The way that meal plans and serving sizes are devised is unique. The whole serving size thing was never really explained in WSFL but it is completely explained in Naked Nutrition, so now it makes more sense. It tells you how to create an eating plan, but no specific meals are given. This is what I came up with on my own for a maintenance plan before reading Naked Nutrition, and it has worked well so far: Summer Training

msmogreen · 07-16-2008, 09:29 PM

I was waiting for someone to say something about the WSFL forum that you have to pay for. I did sign up for the 45 days out of curiosity, but plan to cancel well before the 45 days is up. I was actually curious to see if anyone was going to bring up any of this WSFL plagiarism controversy. Alwyn is not a part of that forum at all, it is all Mike and others he collaborated with. The forum is really about Naked Nutrition with a separate forum just for WSFL. When I went to the WSFL forum, there were not any posts. None of it was all that interesting to pay to belong to any of the forums.

msmogreen · 07-16-2008, 09:33 PM

Did you ever see this forum:

Warp Speed Fat Loss Forum - Powered by vBulletin

I found that when I was desperately looking for support. I emailed the link to WSFL asking about a forum, wondering what the story was up with this inactive forum. I wonder who set it up. Somebody had something in mind at some point. They just said there was no forum and Mike answered my question via email.

PowerManDL · 07-16-2008, 09:40 PM

intelligent insights » Blog Archive » Fresh Start

That's the fella that apparently put up the wsflforum.com site

NeilC · 07-17-2008, 06:59 AM

It's hard hacking through the many pages of this thread but are the "revolutionary" principles of this diet low calories, high protein and high-density resistance-oriented workouts?

I've read most of the posts and I can't see anything new. Not that there needs to be anything new mind - we already know the principles of losing fat.

Alwyn said on some podcast that he's not seen any muscle loss. He said this was demonstrated by the subjects' strength not dropping. Is it not possible to lose muscle mass yet still keep a some strength measurements the same?

I'm doing a rapid fat-loss programme myself. I've dropped just over 14lb's in 4 weeks and this week it looks like it will be another couple. I'm probably way more overweight to begin with so the comparison probably isn't fair. I've not bought a programm, I'm just eating less than before - 3 meals, lower carbs, more veg, more protein. 3 bodyweight workouts a week and couple of bike rides.

I'm not criticising the programme or it's creators. But I wonder if there is really all that much new under the fat-loss sun that makes such a difference that it's worth shelling out hard cash for?