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Old 06-05-2008, 08:04 PM   #361 (permalink)
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I really liked how the WSFL program was laid out so that there was not much thinking involved. So here's the thread where I've posted the nutritional plan that I've put together for my next training cycle:

Summer nutrition program--please evaluate
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:48 PM   #362 (permalink)
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I think the whole reasoning behind the design of this program is to hit it as hard as possible, i.e. no cheat days, because the program is only 28 days long. That's my take on it, anyway.
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:49 PM   #363 (permalink)
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I really liked how the WSFL program was laid out so that there was not much thinking involved. So here's the thread where I've posted the nutritional plan that I've put together for my next training cycle:

Summer nutrition program--please evaluate
That's part of the appeal for me as well. I don't want to have to think too much, I want it all laid out for me. Thinking wasn't working out for me, obviously.
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Old 06-05-2008, 10:41 PM   #364 (permalink)
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I'm not sure we can conclude the program doesn't work as advertised if those involved aren't following it to a "T". Once you cheat on the diet either by eating bad food, too much, or skipping meals, and not attack the workouts with the same intensity you are no longer doing the program as designed. I'm not faulting anyone, this is not an easy program. I'm in week three, and struggling a bit myself. This is definitely tough.

Once you tinker with it, it is no longer Warp Speed Fat Loss and any decrease in results shouldn't be blamed on the system. I think everyone notes good results in the first two weeks because for that period of time it was easy to stay extremely focused. At the end of the second week the mind starts to sabotage the results.

I'm still stuck around the 5-6lb point. But today I forgot a belt and kept feeling like my pants would slip off with every move. The program so far is definitely the fastest fat loss one I've ever done.
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Old 06-05-2008, 10:47 PM   #365 (permalink)
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I did three weeks of WSFL. I had to quit early because the one rest day a week was taking its toll. In those three weeks I lost 11 pounds of fat and gained 2 pounds of muscle. (Probably would have been more had I not had three days of poor/off-plan eating during a convention.)

The biggest positive to the whole experience is what I learned about low carb eating. I tried multiple times and never could figure out what to eat on a low carb diet. The way the plan was laid out taught me a lot about choosing my food and planning my meals.

I am now doing TNT effortlessly. I tried before and never made it past the first few days!
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Old 06-05-2008, 11:09 PM   #366 (permalink)
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I'm not sure we can conclude the program doesn't work as advertised if those involved aren't following it to a "T". Once you cheat on the diet either by eating bad food, too much, or skipping meals, and not attack the workouts with the same intensity you are no longer doing the program as designed. I'm not faulting anyone, this is not an easy program. I'm in week three, and struggling a bit myself. This is definitely tough.

Once you tinker with it, it is no longer Warp Speed Fat Loss and any decrease in results shouldn't be blamed on the system. I think everyone notes good results in the first two weeks because for that period of time it was easy to stay extremely focused. At the end of the second week the mind starts to sabotage the results.

I'm still stuck around the 5-6lb point. But today I forgot a belt and kept feeling like my pants would slip off with every move. The program so far is definitely the fastest fat loss one I've ever done.
You're absolutely right Tree.... My assumption was that if it was too hard for people to follow to the end that it did not work as advertised. Where are you in the program? I am waiting anxiously to hear the first person who actually completes it.
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Old 06-05-2008, 11:28 PM   #367 (permalink)
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You're absolutely right Tree.... My assumption was that if it was too hard for people to follow to the end that it did not work as advertised.
Not unless they promised an easy program. Just because a couple people don't, for whatever reason, complete as written, doesn't say much other than they didn't complete it as written.

It neither speaks to a failure on their part nor the program's... except maybe a failure of fitting them at this point in time.

Now, if noone ever completes the program as written, then maybe it says something. But a handful of people? Not really.
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Old 06-06-2008, 12:58 AM   #368 (permalink)
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The drop out rate is probably, pretty normal.
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Old 06-06-2008, 04:45 AM   #369 (permalink)
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Compliance to the program is difficult when it has such a short life span. I started the program with 2 other people. One didn't make it a week. The other made it to the 3rd week before being thrown off track by other events that affected their eating and training patterns. With only a 28 day window, there is no leeway for interference from outside events. So it would be difficult to complete the program in its entirety without having something come along and throw a monkey wrench in the whole thing even for just a day.
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Old 06-06-2008, 07:56 AM   #370 (permalink)
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That's the thing. People have to want it. Want it bad enough to not stop if they f it up one day. You screw up for two days, you're diet plan is now 30 days, not 28. Get back in there if you want it.

Earlier there was a very brief statement about diets failing 90 or 95% of the time, but it's people that fail, rarely the diet. 5% or 10% of people continue with a diet, whichever diet or diets they've chosen.

It's hard to put that into a book or program, but IMO, that's what you find with that 5% who succeed on diets - they wanted to succeed.
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Old 06-06-2008, 08:03 AM   #371 (permalink)
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I'm still a fan of WSFL. I just really need to let this wrist heal before I can really attack my workouts like I need to do....I DO want to do it completely right. I am hoping to jump back in from Day 1 here within the next several days, provided my wrist has had sufficient time to heal.

I really like the meal plan and the workouts. I know that my results may not be as high as some others, but I don't have that much more fat that I want to lose, so I know it's going to be harder. But, I do feel that WSFL will get it done from what I experienced in about 2 weeks.

I'm actually finding myself still eating the WSFL way, but I want to incorporate all facets of the plan and in order to do so I must have a healed wrist first.
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Old 06-06-2008, 08:10 AM   #372 (permalink)
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well i've reached day 7. (thats my first rest day, i started with a workout day) Started at 217 weighed in this morning at 212.4. I've been 100% compliant with nutrition and the workouts. I'm only 5'9 so I still have a good deal of fat to lose.

The first hurdle will be tommorow, where I am attending a cookout. It's going to be tough to stick with the nutrition, and to avoid alcohol but I'm gonna give it a shot. my plan though is if i do cheat, to just add a day to the program as Lost Dog suggested.
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Old 06-06-2008, 08:33 AM   #373 (permalink)
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BTW, I wasn't saying anyone in particular. The discussion of the diet failing came up, so I piped in.

I'm sure 28 day diets aren't factored into those statistics, either. As long as you go from this diet to another plan that keeps you on track to your goals, you're in that 5-10%.
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Old 06-06-2008, 04:18 PM   #374 (permalink)
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I'm on Day 19/28. I would say I'm 90-95% compliant with both food and workouts. I've missed one of the non-weight training workouts.

I'm down 7lbs. Seems like the scale changes near the end of the week. It stayed pretty steady Mon-Thr, and then dropped another pound today. I would guess it will drop a bit more over the weekend.

The second no carb day was bad. I'm not looking forward to Sunday- no carb day 3. The templates and ability to make your own food choices make the eating a little easier to comply. I think I mentioned earlier that I'm not eating the exact foods laid out in the workout. They also include a template that allows you to stay within the parameters for your body weight and choose the foods you like, or have around. I've been eating some not so traditional combinations of things in order to meet the goal. The template is pretty cool, and I can see using it long after the program is done.

This is not an easy program. They label it "EXTREME" and it is. All week I've been dragging a bit, I think both mentally and physically, but more mentally. Today was the best workout so far this week. Felt better and was able to up the resistance a bit. Maybe because its the end of the week. Maybe because there is only 1 week left.

I never entered the program hoping to lose the full amount advertised. I've already lost a little more than I thought I would need to, and can see I have some more to go. I don't have any real measurements other than the scale and mirror. I can tell its working.

I will be carrying around a small WSFL logo, as a reminder that I don't want to do this again. But it is by far the fastest result from a program I've used.

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Old 06-07-2008, 08:05 AM   #375 (permalink)
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I am on day 13 of this work out and have lost 5 pounds so far. I was hoping for more, but hey, its a loss right? Body fat, done with Lange calipers and scale, say that I am down 2.5%. I started at 145 lbs and am 140. My goal weight is 130-133 lbs, so I don't have too far to go.

The food part has been easy for me. I have been 100% compliant, and the workouts are fun. I am really enjoying it. For me, not eating starchy/sugary carbs has really helped with food cravings. Now when I want something sweet, I eat strawberries and yogurt.

The only problem I have with this is that I cannot have my Kashi go lean cereal....except 2-3 days a week...and I NEED it. I am thinking of putting it in a few more days a week.

Hopefully I will have more loss by the end of next week.
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Old 06-08-2008, 09:40 AM   #376 (permalink)
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Alright, final photos are posted! I finished a day early--kinda fell off the wagon. Even tho I've been craving carbs, every time some type of grain product comes near my mouth, I get sick to my stomach! On the other hand, there has been no problem with alcohol Anyway, the pictures are from January, just prior to the program in May, and final photos. Feedback is requested! MAXX Training :: View topic - Maxx's Warpspeed Fat Loss Journal
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Old 06-08-2008, 05:31 PM   #377 (permalink)
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Bill, looks like you made good progress IMO ... I can't believe the difference there is only 7 lbs. Good job! What's next for you?
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