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05-24-2008, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by gobbla
So what you're trying to say is "probably"?
The program wasn't designed to be sustainable and neither were the results. There's a possibility that someone will change their life when they change their body, but for the most part people are picking the short term answer because they lack the willpower for a long term solution (otherwise they would already be where they wanted). It seems and is marketed like a method of peaking for a particular date. You'll look pretty decent for a week...after that you're probably screwed 
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Talkin' to me?
I agree with all that, I just don't understand what I'm probably saying. 
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05-24-2008, 10:25 AM
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#302 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by gobbla
So what you're trying to say is "probably"?
The program wasn't designed to be sustainable and neither were the results. There's a possibility that someone will change their life when they change their body, but for the most part people are picking the short term answer because they lack the willpower for a long term solution (otherwise they would already be where they wanted). It seems and is marketed like a method of peaking for a particular date. You'll look pretty decent for a week...after that you're probably screwed 
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Well, count me in the camp that DOES have willpower. I've been SPOT ON since January 1 with TNT and training. WSFL is just going to help me with those last few pounds. Trust me, I have TONS of willpower!
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05-24-2008, 11:00 AM
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Luv'n Lift'n
Join Date: Nov 2007
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Originally Posted by missjane
Well, count me in the camp that DOES have willpower. I've been SPOT ON since January 1 with TNT and training. WSFL is just going to help me with those last few pounds. Trust me, I have TONS of willpower!
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Jane, you will be the "poster child" (and probably the exception) to this or any plan.  We are all watching you with interest because you will show the possibilities.
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05-24-2008, 02:19 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2004
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LD> They will "probably" gain the weight back. It's not a flaw in the program. It's just not reasonable to expect a person (that isn't pretty hot stuff to begin with) to eat at a massive deficit and train themselves into the ground for a month to not fall off the wagon pretty hard.
MJ> That's very possible. Do you consider yourself the norm or the exception?
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05-24-2008, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbla
LD> They will "probably" gain the weight back. It's not a flaw in the program. It's just not reasonable to expect a person (that isn't pretty hot stuff to begin with) to eat at a massive deficit and train themselves into the ground for a month to not fall off the wagon pretty hard.
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In my first comment, I had a whole thing typed up about 95% of diets leading to failure anyway. It's rarely the diet, it's the person's will to diet.
Will the average guy off the street gain it back. Probably. You're right.
Will the average guy who's already been successfully and consistantly dieting for a good amount of time gain it back after using this diet? Probably not. They've already passed the test of whether they have the will to diet or not.
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05-24-2008, 03:58 PM
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I wasn't thinking about how calorie needs change as we lose weight in my earlier posts. I blame it on the allergy meds
has anyone here successfully lost AND maintained for over a year (while training had) following a low-carb plan?
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05-24-2008, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by LaraT
has anyone here successfully lost AND maintained for over a year (while training had) following a low-carb plan?
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I have. Although I've changed things around quite a bit over the past five years, in the past two years, I've been primarily low carb when I try to lose fat.
Maintenance is easy for me. I can do it without a problem. I've sort of maintained for almost a year now, having started with my dieting about five years ago. I workout a lot and pretty hard, too. I have no energy issues, either.
Personally, I don't think it has much to do with being low carb, though. That's just the eating style that I find satisfying, healthy, and convenient. Anyone who wants to maintain should be able to find a diet that they can stick with But they have to want to maintain. Just like anyone can lose if they want to.
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05-25-2008, 01:23 PM
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Well, I've reached the halfway point, and I feel like I've hit a wall. Not sure if it is the monotony of the program, the stubborness of my body to lose a little more fat, the temptations of the holiday weekend and awesome weather, or a combination of all of the above.
Bodyweight and bodyfat have stayed the same the past 3 days. I took my off day yesterday because I had to get the house ready for a cookout. So I did my cardio today and my legs were heavy and tired at the beginning, and sore at the end. I really worked my legs hard in Friday's circuit workout.
It was extremely hard to stay committed to the diet at my cookout. All in all, I did good. I didn't eat much thru the day, and then in the evening, I had three hamburger patties, no bread, and some shrimp--I at least avoided the carbs. And I didn't drink any, which was very tough when playing cornhole and sitting around the fire!
I am not looking forward to 2 more weeks of the same routine--I wish there was a change-up at least in the workout for weeks 3 and 4.
I will post pics and bodyfat measurements tomorrow so everyone can judge for themselves if there has been any progress.
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05-25-2008, 01:30 PM
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butt shaping expert
Join Date: Feb 2005
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And I didn't drink any, which was very tough when playing cornhole and sitting around the fire!
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Sounds like it would be. I'd want to be drunk for a game of cornhole too.
ok, what the hell is cornhole? Because my mind is only going to one place here...
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05-25-2008, 02:19 PM
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Location: Rural, Western Washington
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I started low carbing about 5 years ago - have never looked back - have never gone off plan, although plan has changed from time to time. I have also been weightlifting the whole time, although I did some pretty lame programs for the first couple years. Still better than nothing.
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05-25-2008, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Aoife
Sounds like it would be. I'd want to be drunk for a game of cornhole too.
ok, what the hell is cornhole? Because my mind is only going to one place here...
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Bean bag toss in some other areas.......cornhole in the midwest.
Corn Toss, Cornhole, Bean Bag and Bean Toss - Rules, Sets and Standards
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05-25-2008, 06:37 PM
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What is the best way to come out of this plan and still maintain the loss and not gain any pounds/fat? thanks.
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05-25-2008, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by pharma_gal
What is the best way to come out of this plan and still maintain the loss and not gain any pounds/fat? thanks.
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slowly. Do something like Atkin's carb tolerance phase. You add just a LITTLE to what you already are eating, and see at what point you quit losing and start gaining. Another key is coming up with your own 'cook book' of foods, including things that have become your new comfort foods.
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05-26-2008, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by RobLL
slowly. Do something like Atkin's carb tolerance phase. You add just a LITTLE to what you already are eating, and see at what point you quit losing and start gaining. Another key is coming up with your own 'cook book' of foods, including things that have become your new comfort foods.
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Thanks a lot..Tht really helps!
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05-26-2008, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by pharma_gal
What is the best way to come out of this plan and still maintain the loss and not gain any pounds/fat? thanks.
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I am looking at TNT. I may switch over to that. I don't really mind the diet, just the counting and weighing.
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05-26-2008, 07:21 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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Where can I find more info on TNT? thanks
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05-26-2008, 08:03 AM
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