Reading Maxx and GardenGirl's posts have inspired me to take the plunge into this program. Yet I see I'm having the same issue Miss Jane had in that I ordered but no instant access. I am confident that this will work out well without much wait time on my end.
Miss Jane, how long was your wait before you received access to the program? The website doesn't even recognize my email address when I ask for my forgotten password, yet my confirmation of the purchase came through fine.
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Reading Maxx and GardenGirl's posts have inspired me to take the plunge into this program. Yet I see I'm having the same issue Miss Jane had in that I ordered but no instant access. I am confident that this will work out well without much wait time on my end.
Miss Jane, how long was your wait before you received access to the program? The website doesn't even recognize my email address when I ask for my forgotten password, yet my confirmation of the purchase came through fine.
I emailed them via the email address on the confirmation email of your purchase (at the bottom). I heard back within 24 hours, but then they set me up with an incorrect email address, so it took another 24 to straighten that out.
I'm down 2.5 pounds since last Monday and this includes two screw-ups on the diet part of the program. I'm going to take more measurements this weekend because my clothes feel much looser after only 2 weeks so that is good.
The same thing happened to me when I purchases the program. I had paid for it but there was no immediate link to download. I emailed Mike Roussell and he sent me the link for the download pretty quick so just hang in there.
Thanks. I guess patience is NOT one of my virtues!
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Day 12, scale says I gained a pound, BF% the same. I think it is due to a change-up I made yesterday. I slept in a little and did my workout in the evening instead. I definitely noticed a change in my appetite by doing this--I was a lot less hungry throughout the day by not working out in the AM. I struggled getting outta bed an hour later--I think maybe I am waking up in mid sleep cycle at my usual time of 6. I've been feeling great when getting up at 5am for the workouts.
Today, I slept in till 7 and did my workout around 9. Workouts are getting easier, and I am increasing the poundage. Also, I think I am getting more comfortable subbing in the foods that I like when the menu has something I don't care for. I just hope I don't screw things up by making changes.
Stuff from previous days......a lot times it is leftovers. I haven't added anything that is not already on the menu. Basically I am just subbing in protein for protein. Although I have used a little more skim milk than the plan calls for--I usually sub it for cottage cheese, or I have a couple swigs after the last snack.
I am down 4.6 pounds so far (day 12). I have gotten into a small pair of pants! I haven't checked my body fat percentage yet. I will do that on Sunday. I don't expect to lose anything over the next couple days. It looks like I will miss 3 of the 6 workouts this week. I am hoping to be able to get in a round of cardio today but I am not hopeful. (Maybe some kettlebells.) I have a convention this weekend that I did not plan to attend but it turned out that I was able to at the last minute. I took lunch with me today and I will take snacks with me tomorrow but my eating will be erratic for a few days! I am going to concentrate on keeping the carbs in check. Hopefully that doesn't set me back too far!!!
I have to say, walking through a convention hall for hours makes me ravenous for carbs!!! I have not had carb cravings at all since starting and I was DYING for a slice of pizza while heading out today!! I'm sure you could almost see the internal debate. Pizza!, No pizza!!!, Pizza! NO pizza!!!!!, PIZZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, NO.PIZZA I settled for a handful of cashews and a diet Dr. Pepper!
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don't know how you guys are doing it. I have done two days at the 130 lb template (which is 10 lbs above my weight)and almost passed out during the 2nd workout. Thought I was going to have to take a cab home. Then later in the night got seriously dizzy. have felt awful and not motivation to work out due to fatigue. serious food cravings too. ugh.
don't know how you guys are doing it. I have done two days at the 130 lb template (which is 10 lbs above my weight)and almost passed out during the 2nd workout. Thought I was going to have to take a cab home. Then later in the night got seriously dizzy. have felt awful and not motivation to work out due to fatigue. serious food cravings too. ugh.
That is exactly what happens to me on low carb diets. I think I can work my way through it but end result for me has always been weight gain after the diet. Good luck with this and be careful driving or otherwise being out.
That is exactly what happens to me on low carb diets. I think I can work my way through it but end result for me has always been weight gain after the diet. Good luck with this and be careful driving or otherwise being out.
What do you think causes the weight gain (other than water)? There's little physiological effects of eating low carb that would trigger fat storage after leaving the low carb diet.
I can lose 5-8lbs going to a low carb diet, so when I stop, I put on 5-8lbs. But a regular (not low carb) diet would not have had the water loss, so I'd still be at the same level the days after the diet was "broken."
If the diet causes days of binging, then I can see some fat storage afterward, of course.
don't know how you guys are doing it. I have done two days at the 130 lb template (which is 10 lbs above my weight)and almost passed out during the 2nd workout. Thought I was going to have to take a cab home. Then later in the night got seriously dizzy. have felt awful and not motivation to work out due to fatigue. serious food cravings too. ugh.
Are you 120 pounds? What is your goal? The plan is for Fat Loss (20#) not gain. I think I am just confused on your goal.
I am eating at 20# under my current weight and I am making it through the workouts - albiet tired and looking for my PWO shake but Im not passing out- that sounds like when I first started NROL without a diet plan.
What were you working on before starting this program?
Well, I like what I've seen so far. I started the program on Monday, at 138.8 lbs, and this morning (Friday) I weighed 131.2 lbs. I know some is probably water weight, although the carbs aren't extremely low, but it still feels good to see progress so quickly. And the workouts are kicking my a$$!
What do you think causes the weight gain (other than water)? There's little physiological effects of eating low carb that would trigger fat storage after leaving the low carb diet.
I can lose 5-8lbs going to a low carb diet, so when I stop, I put on 5-8lbs. But a regular (not low carb) diet would not have had the water loss, so I'd still be at the same level the days after the diet was "broken."
If the diet causes days of binging, then I can see some fat storage afterward, of course.
Don't know LD, never thought that hard about it. I did it only once and was in misery for a long while but I toughed it through. Then once I stopped the low carb thing I gained back very quickly. Keep in mind that my normal daily carb intake for my 130lb frame is around 150-200g so I am not a carb freak. Just don't feel good if I drop these.
Well, I like what I've seen so far. I started the program on Monday, at 138.8 lbs, and this morning (Friday) I weighed 131.2 lbs. I know some is probably water weight, although the carbs aren't extremely low, but it still feels good to see progress so quickly. And the workouts are kicking my a$$!
Good start, Michele!
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Don't know LD, never thought that hard about it. I did it only once and was in misery for a long while but I toughed it through. Then once I stopped the low carb thing I gained back very quickly. Keep in mind that my normal daily carb intake for my 130lb frame is around 150-200g so I am not a carb freak. Just don't feel good if I drop these.
I know some people really hate low carb. Seems like women tend to hate it more than men. At least women who workout hard.
Well, they came through and I am now all set up with the program. I read through some of it today, printed what I needed and am saving it in a binder so once I get started I'll know exactly what I'm doing and will be more apt to stick with the plan. I'm just worried if I start it now, in two weeks when I have a promotion test in my martial arts I won't have enough energy to make it through the minute of sparring in the air (Jumping in air and kicking two or more times before hitting the ground again). I'm so close to my black belt I really do not want to mess anything up at this point. After this promotion test I won't have to start thinking about another test (black belt) until December.
So, plan is to start June 8. In the mean time, working on NROL4W. But I will most definitely be reading up on how everyone here is doing.
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That is exactly what happens to me on low carb diets. I think I can work my way through it but end result for me has always been weight gain after the diet. Good luck with this and be careful driving or otherwise being out.
that has been my experience in the past as well (on South Beach). It never got better in terms of having energy, reduced cravings, etc.
SO you probably will ask WHY in the world would I try WSFL??
I guess I got caught up in the hype. I was looking for a quick fix to lean out for some early summer events. I never in a million years thought it was going to be so low carb/low cal.
Are you 120 pounds? What is your goal? The plan is for Fat Loss (20#) not gain. I think I am just confused on your goal.
I am eating at 20# under my current weight and I am making it through the workouts - albiet tired and looking for my PWO shake but Im not passing out- that sounds like when I first started NROL without a diet plan.
What were you working on before starting this program?
LOL um, yeah I know the plan is for fat loss not gain.
I am 120 lbs and wanting to lose those "last 5 lbs" of fat. So that would give me about 1080 cals on this plan which is ridiculously low IMO. So I thought I would try the 130 plan which is a whopping 1170 cals (note sarcasm here)
I had been doing NROL4W, eating about 1750 on workout days, 1500 non workout days so quite a bit more. I have lost about 4-5 lbs since I started that in January. I have gained some muscle and lost some inches which is great but wanted to trim down in a short period of time.
WSFL is a very drastic plan. I get that now. Should have known better that anything promoting such a drastic loss would be like this and unfortunately fast loss like that almost always translates into just as fast re-gain.
that has been my experience in the past as well (on South Beach). It never got better in terms of having energy, reduced cravings, etc.
SO you probably will ask WHY in the world would I try WSFL??
I guess I got caught up in the hype. I was looking for a quick fix to lean out for some early summer events. I never in a million years thought it was going to be so low carb/low cal.
I totally can relate the jumping in because of hype. Been there and done that a time or two.... I am on my last 10 lb cut right now too and I really want to just get it over with but my trainer is pulling back on the reins. "The slower the better" is what he and all the other trainers are telling me RE this subject. Cut slow, lift heavy, ss cardio and interavals. It will come. We'll see how I feel when I am down to the last 5 how I feel and how low I go on cals to get there. In the meanwhile it is very lucky for me that I get to watch this program work on people before I have to make those choices.
I totally can relate the jumping in because of hype. Been there and done that a time or two.... I am on my last 10 lb cut right now too and I really want to just get it over with but my trainer is pulling back on the reins. "The slower the better" is what he and all the other trainers are telling me RE this subject. Cut slow, lift heavy, ss cardio and interavals. It will come. We'll see how I feel when I am down to the last 5 how I feel and how low I go on cals to get there. In the meanwhile it is very lucky for me that I get to watch this program work on people before I have to make those choices.
slow is definitely the way to go. I have done my share of diets over the years and the only lasting weight loss came from slow, lifestyle changes.
I have built more muscle/strength on NROL4W than any other workout program I did in the past. I am sure the increased intake of food had a lot to do with that. So I have some nice muscle but also a little layer of fat over them, mostly concentrated in the hips/thighs (pear shaped here) and I wanted to lose it FAST for some social events. Silly me.
What really concerns me with a plan like WSFL is that when you are done and go back to a healthier, more long term plan won't the weight come back? Even if you are still eating in a deficit wouldn't you gain since it is likely more cals then you would need to maintain the much lower weight that would come from a drastic plan?
Even if you are still eating in a deficit wouldn't you gain since it is likely more cals then you would need to maintain the much lower weight that would come from a drastic plan?
Then you're not still eating in a deficit.
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What really concerns me with a plan like WSFL is that when you are done and go back to a healthier, more long term plan won't the weight come back?
No. Other than water weight, that only happens if:
people return to their bad eating habits
if the restrictive diet puts you in a mental state to binge, binge, binge when you come off
if they come back to what was maintenance for them before they lost a lot of weight and mindlessly eat at that level.
This is an area where we've seen friends, family, coworkers, etc. who've tried super low cal diets and totally blow it at the end.
Anyhow, these people starve themselves on Slimfast, cabbage soup, some sort of fast or purge or cleanse, or just eat practically nothing for weeks, suddenly they can't take it anymore and go right back to old habits and then some. It wasn't the diet that had them gain even more weight, it was the feeling that they failed that subconsciously propels them to greater feats of eating.
Or, they are dumb and think they can go right back to the old ways now that they've dropped some pounds. Then, once they're fat again, they're bummed out and start eating more and more.
[quote=Lost Dog;557989]Then you're not still eating in a deficit.
Yes but you can still be in a deficit but eating at a level that is still too high to maintain that low weight that you got to as a result of extreme dieting (and not talking cabbage soup/cleanse diets) WSFL is an extreme diet.
For example, according to NROL4W to lose weight I need to eat about 1600-1700 (and I found this to be accurate) This is a deficit for me. But if I return to that after doing WSFL where I eat 1100 per day wouldn't I gain some back by virtue of eating 500 calories more per day?
No. Other than water weight, that only happens if:
people return to their bad eating habits
if the restrictive diet puts you in a mental state to binge, binge, binge when you come off
if they come back to what was maintenance for them before they lost a lot of weight and mindlessly eat at that level.
This is an area where we've seen friends, family, coworkers, etc. who've tried super low cal diets and totally blow it at the end.
Anyhow, these people starve themselves on Slimfast, cabbage soup, some sort of fast or purge or cleanse, or just eat practically nothing for weeks, suddenly they can't take it anymore and go right back to old habits and then some. It wasn't the diet that had them gain even more weight, it was the feeling that they failed that subconsciously propels them to greater feats of eating.
Or, they are dumb and think they can go right back to the old ways now that they've dropped some pounds. Then, once they're fat again, they're bummed out and start eating more and more.
So what you're trying to say is "probably"?
The program wasn't designed to be sustainable and neither were the results. There's a possibility that someone will change their life when they change their body, but for the most part people are picking the short term answer because they lack the willpower for a long term solution (otherwise they would already be where they wanted). It seems and is marketed like a method of peaking for a particular date. You'll look pretty decent for a week...after that you're probably screwed
Yes but you can still be in a deficit but eating at a level that is still too high to maintain that low weight that you got to as a result of extreme dieting (and not talking cabbage soup/cleanse diets) WSFL is an extreme diet.
For example, according to NROL4W to lose weight I need to eat about 1600-1700 (and I found this to be accurate) This is a deficit for me. But if I return to that after doing WSFL where I eat 1100 per day wouldn't I gain some back by virtue of eating 500 calories more per day?
Like Lost Dog said, then you're not in a deficit!
PowerMan DL has noted that we just can't beat the laws of thermodynamics. If you gain weight, you're not in a deficit.
The 1600 calories might be a deficit for you now, but not for the lighter you. Your number will change as you change.
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Yes but you can still be in a deficit but eating at a level that is still too high to maintain that low weight
No, you can't.
Sorry, I should have been more clear. Those formulas are just estimates. They are a good starting point, rather than just taking a guess at what your maintenance is. The odds of your maintenance being that number is very small. It may be close enough or so close that you can't tell, but it's not really that number.
Once you start with that number, you have to see if you're losing, losing to fast or too slow, gaining, gaining too fast or too slow, etc. If it's not what you want, you have to adjust calories or activities up or down.
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For example, according to NROL4W to lose weight I need to eat about 1600-1700 (and I found this to be accurate) This is a deficit for me. But if I return to that after doing WSFL where I eat 1100 per day wouldn't I gain some back by virtue of eating 500 calories more per day?
You did find a calorie level that put you in a deficit, but you don't know if it's 750 or 100 calories of deficit. If it was 750, then the 500 calories still leaves you at a deficit of 250 and you keep losing. If it was 100, then the 500 calories puts you at 400 over and you gain weight.
Granted, that metabolism CAN slow a bit, but 28 days isn't that long. Say 30% at most. And, that's only temporary. It will recover quickly. But, if you've also lost 10-15 lbs, then you won't go back to 1600-1700 calories, you'll go "back" to 1500-1600 with new numbers.
You are correct, but your only flaw is relying on a formula without checking it against progress. But, even then, you should rerun the formula to see where you start at the new lower weight, then check progress against that number.
For me, I've gradually lost 18 lbs of fat since Jan 1. About a pound a week. Now, with those last few pounds to go, I have stalled. WSFL, I believe, will help me blow off those last few stubborn pounds. Having done TNT for the year thus far, the WSFL eating is actually quite easy.....I'm not used to getting all this fruit! I'm not hungry, the workouts kick my ass, and I have enough energy, too. Sooo......I'm thinking that the program will do just what it says for me.
After WSFL, I will go back to TNT, so I have no fear of gaining anything back. I'm ever watchful of that sort of thing, and with TNT I have the ability to put back in carbs as I see fit.
Yes but you can still be in a deficit but eating at a level that is still too high to maintain that low weight that you got to as a result of extreme dieting (and not talking cabbage soup/cleanse diets) WSFL is an extreme diet.
For example, according to NROL4W to lose weight I need to eat about 1600-1700 (and I found this to be accurate) This is a deficit for me. But if I return to that after doing WSFL where I eat 1100 per day wouldn't I gain some back by virtue of eating 500 calories more per day?
NO. You can't. DEFICIT means eating less than you need to maintain a weight. MAINTENANCE means eating at what you need to maintain a weight. SURPLUS means eating more than what you need to maintain a weight.
If that old "deficit" is now "maintenance" you'd gain back water weight. If that old "deficit" is now a "surplus" then you'd gain back weight fat, muscle, etc. But if you just go to eating a smaller deficit that's still a deficit, the most you'd gain back was water weight.
BUt, you need to know what your numbers are for a given weight and activity level and age. You can't guess or assume.
Just because you think something is a deficit or maintenance doesn't mean it is. So if you THINK you're eating maintenance but you're gaining weight, it's not maintenance, it's a surplus.
I am on my last 10 lb cut right now too and I really want to just get it over with but my trainer is pulling back on the reins. "The slower the better" is what he and all the other trainers are telling me RE this subject. Cut slow, lift heavy, ss cardio and interavals. It will come. We'll see how I feel when I am down to the last 5 how I feel and how low I go on cals to get there. In the meanwhile it is very lucky for me that I get to watch this program work on people before I have to make those choices.
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