Fat loss debate: Hale vs Harmony

[PowerManDL]

all caps ftw, nyukkah.

[Alan Aragon]

Yeah, trolling is amusing to watch, especially when the troll can't even think of a clever way to bullshit his identity to sustain the masochistic public ass-beating he was getting. But when you take a step back & realize that this is the most attention this kid gets in his life, it's actually pretty sad.

[Kaiser]

OK. The person was an obvious troll (based on the posts that have been deleted by UConnJulie). He/she has been banned.

PLEASE don't respond to this troll's posts. It'll only encourage him/her to come back in another iteration.

[Jean-Paul]

I was going to guess symbolic, but he was much more civil in his trolling.

But, he/she/it has already been banned so I don't get to find out its secret identity. Amazingly, I don't care. I am actually really disappointed because I was really looking forward to some actual debate. Now I just want to delete every post made on this thread from the point that DrPhD started posting just to keep it clean. And all that is assuming that this troll isn't the same person in the email debate with Jamie Hale, in which case I would like to delete the whole thing as nothing irks me more than feeding trolls.

I see an IP ban coming.

[UConnJulie]

So Jamie, who the heck is this idiot, and how did you get sucked into a debate with him/her/it?

[Jack P]

Ok - I gotta say, this was an interesting thread. I don't think I learned much from it, but it's highly entertaining. I was hoping to throw out some questions about interval training and sugar/fat in the beginning, before I realized there was a troll.

[Jean-Paul]

Hm... I've seen that exact sig line on another poster recently. Your posts so far look benign enough I guess.

[coach hale]

This person contacted me by e-mail about two weeks ago. I didn't think much about it at first as this is not abnormal. I receive hate mail about once every 2 days. I responded to the e-mail and about three days later received a response to that e-mail. I destroyed everything this individual was saying. I thought it would make a great article. Yesterday i received two emails informing me that i would be exposed to the world, that humans are not good sprinters compared to some other animals, i had mis-represented the Tremblay study and so on. I responded repeating what i had basically said in the article and previous e-mails. I received an e-mail this morning telling me not to worry i would not be exposed (this was only a figure of speech)

The arguments made by this person are an excellent example of how not to argue. The statements are also a great demo of logical fallacies.

PowermanDL did an excellent job ripping this individual to shreds.

On another note up until yesterday i had not seen the complete study by Tremblay. I referenced the information from the studies abstract and two other Secondary science sources. Five minutes after receiving the email telling me how i had mis-represented the Tremblay study i decided i would review the entire study. I sent out the study request to the research group and i received the study from Dr. Dipasquale about five minutes later. I found that the abstract did a good job of describing the studies findings. Yes, my reports on the Tremblay study were correct.

thanks
coach hale

[coach hale]

Forgetting about the "it" for a minute i think the info below will be benefical for some:

from Tremblay et. al. (1994)Impact of Exercise Intensity of Body Fatness and Skeletal Muscle Metabolism:

"In summary the results of the present study show that for
a given level of energy expenditure, a high-intensity training
program induces a greater loss of subcutaneous fat compared
with a training program of moderate intensity. This is
probably explained by an enhancing effect of high-intensity
exercise on postexercise lipid utilization, which favors a
greater body lipid deficit following exercise. From a clinical
standpoint, it is obvious that high-intensity exercise cannot
be prescribed for individuals at risk for health problems or
for obese people who are not used to excrcisc. In these
cases, the most prudent course remains a low-intensity
exercise program with a progressive increase in duration
and frequency of sessions. However, the data reported here
would support the notion that it may be appropriate and
useful to prescribe vigorous exercise instead of lowintensity
exercise of comparable energy cost when this is compatible with the fitness level of the individual."

thanks
Coach Hale

[coach hale]

I have no idea why those letters turned out so small.

Sorry

coach hale

[Jean-Paul]

Originally Posted by coach hale

I have no idea why those letters turned out so small.

Sorry

coach hale

Fixed it.

Thanks for pulling the thread back on track, even if the instigator isn't a real person.

[Jean-Paul]

Question... who participating in this thread is named, Ashley?

[sg516]

so wait, is the troll that posted on here the same person that was challenging your work and threatening to expose you? or is it someone that read your initial post and decided if the good doctor wasn't going to post on this forum he would take up the argument (poorly) in her stead? or don't we know? i guess what i am asking is dr. harmony a real person?

i firgured it was a troll when she refferred to ppl as 'fatties' on the first page. i don't think a person with a phd in exercise/ nutrition would publicily say that. its too unprofessional. but it was fun while it lasted and powerman made some great points.

[coach hale]

I am not sure who it is, but i think it is the person who has been sending me e-mails. The writing style and repetitive use of logical fallacies are characteristic of the emails i have received.

This person intended on destroying me but failed and decided to go off the deep end. The arguments put forth by this person are great examples of how to not argue.

coach hale

[coach hale]

Susan Harmony Update

I received this email a few minutes ago.

Jamie

I can't continue this troll. You're too sincere a guy. You are right about things. I was just trolling all in good fun.

Larry

Jamie Hale wins by submission.

thanks,
coach hale

[LarryIsSusan]

No you didn't win by submission Jamie. It was just a trolling


BUT I am correct that EPOS only burns an additional 100-200 calories over the next 24 hours


La Forgia J et al Effects of excercise intensity and duration on the excess post excercise oxygen consumption Journal of Sports Science dec 2006 1247-126424 (12)


And I AM correct that cardio done at 75-80 % of max for 45 minutes burns a hell of a lot more calories than HIIT for 15 minutes


and finally research is NOT the be all end all Humans conduct it

[PowerManDL]

Originally Posted by LarryIsSusan

No you didn't win by submission Jamie. It was just a trolling


BUT I am correct that EPOS only burns an additional 100-200 calories over the next 24 hours

Nobody was arguing EPOC but you.

And I AM correct that cardio done at 75-80 % of max for 45 minutes burns a hell of a lot more calories than HIIT for 15 minutes

75-80% is still high intensity exercise. If that's what you were arguing you should have made it clear.

and finally research is NOT the be all end all Humans conduct it

Says everyone that doesn't understand it or how to apply it.