Fat loss debate: Hale vs Harmony

[PowerManDL]

Originally Posted by Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD

What are YOUR credentials "PowerManDL"??? Let me guess, being a fat powerlifter?

I will find the references to my EPOC claims and show them. EPOC is basically and excuse for fatties to do less work.

Oh look, an ad hominem to add to your list of bullshitting.

You're doing quite a good job of proving your case, Dr.

[Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD]

There is no such thing as an UNqualified expert. I like how you come up with cute terms like "ad hominem attack" .

[Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD]

My references to my EPOC claims will be up in the next day. You people have been MISLED by the fitness industry. EPOC afterburn is not significant.

[PowerManDL]

Originally Posted by Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD

There is no such thing as an UNqualified expert. I like how you come up with cute terms like ad hominem. Those words are the heroes of the stupid.

I didn't come up with it, genius. It's when you ignore questions/evidence and then name-call. It's a fallacy of distraction.

Which you're apparently resorting to because you're trying to bullshit everyone and hope that people will think PhD = your'e right.

Keep this up and I'm going to take you apart step by step, PhD or not.

[Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD]

Dream on. I could EASILY tear your argument to shreds.

[PowerManDL]

Originally Posted by Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD

My references to my EPOC claims will be up in the next day. You people have been MISLED by the fitness industry. EPOC afterburn is not significant.

Who claimed it was, genius?

I asked you to substantiate the point that high intensity work burns LESS calories than low intensity work.

Quit while you're ahead. Seriously.

[PowerManDL]

Originally Posted by Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD

Dream on. I could EASILY tear your argument to shreds.

Ooooh I'm scared!

So far all youv'e done is prove you're barely literate, let alone holder of an advanced degree.

In other words,

Put up or shut up.

[Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD]

You're mising the point. High intensity work like HIIT or Tabata WON'T burn as many calories as lower to moderate intensity work for a much LONGER TIME.


You CAN keep up lower to moderate intensity for a long time. A 45 minute run EASILY trumps HIIT for calories burned.

[PowerManDL]

Originally Posted by Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD

You're mising the point. High intensity work like HIIT or Tabata WON'T burn as many calories as lower to moderate intensity work for a much LONGER TIME.


You CAN keep up lower to moderate intensity for a long time. A 45 minute run EASILY trumps HIIT for calories burned.


You obviuosly can't see this, can you?

I asked you to support this claim, not repeat it like a broken record.

Firstly, aerobic calorie burn is NIL. Seriously, you're talking at most 200-300 kcal/hour. That's nothing.

A weight training session for one hour can burn upwards of 500-600 kcal. Same w/ other forms of intensive anaerobic activity. There's just no comparison.

If you want to show that this is not true, THEN SHOW ME DATA and quit being a damn broken record.

Secondly, you're missing the entire point of practicality...who the hell has time to exercise 2-3 hours a day, just for the sake of some metabolic utility you think is applicable?

What if the person has a need for muscle mass or strength/power, which are immensely de-trianed by high volumes of aerobic work?

What you're talking about might swing on paper, but practice has shown us that it doesn't work out that way.

Again, you've YET to consider the context of who you're making suggestions to.

[Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD]

NOPE. A long walk of 2 hours will burn 600 calories minimum. Aerobic activity EASILY TRUMPS HIIT or Tabata. Look up calories burned by activity on Google for crying out loud!

[PowerManDL]

Originally Posted by Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD

NOPE. A long walk of 2 hours will burn 600 calories minimum. Aerobic activity EASILY TRUMPS HIIT or Tabata. Look up calories burned by activity on Google for crying out loud!

You can't provide sources for this?

What the hell kind of PhD are you?

[PowerManDL]

Here Susan, I'll help you out. Read through these:

Impact of exercise intensity on body fatness and s...[Metabolism. 1994] - PubMed Result

Impact of high-intensity exercise on energy expend...[Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2001] - PubMed Result

Two weeks of high-intensity aerobic interval train...[J Appl Physiol. 2007] - PubMed Result

Effect of short-term sprint interval training on h...[J Appl Physiol. 2006] - PubMed Result

Short-term sprint interval versus traditional endu...[J Physiol. 2006] - PubMed Result

Pay special attention to the conclusion of the last one.

kthx.

[Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD]

This is basic common sense. Sprint type activity builds a lot of mass your body does NOT NEED.

[Lost Dog]

Originally Posted by PowerManDL

You can't provide sources for this?

What the hell kind of PhD are you?

Come on. It's some smart ass forumite pulling the wool over your eyes. Ya fat powerlifter!

As humorous as this is, unless she says WHO she is, that's my take.

[PowerManDL]

To get really pedantic, she's kinda-sorta right.

Doing large volumes of cardio work will, maybe, match or exceed the total calorie burn of high intensity work.

The problem is, it's not practical to keep up that kind of workload....you're talking several hours a day, every day

And the fact that higher intensity work favors positive body-comp changes anyway

So she's still BSing. Probably uninformed, and BSing.

[Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD]

The fact remains, very long walks or runs burn A LOT more calories than HIIT.

[PowerManDL]

Originally Posted by Lost Dog

Come on. It's some smart ass forumite pulling the wool over your eyes. Ya fat powerlifter!

As humorous as this is, unless she says WHO she is, that's my take.

Yeah I know. That hit me about the end of page 1.

But I'm having fun.

This is my poker, dammit.

[Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD]

Why do they recommend AEROBIC excercise for NFL guys trying to shed fat?

[Lost Dog]

Right. If "her" examples were less extreme, I'd go for it more. 2-3 hours or walking is unreasonable. Yet, look how lean the Amish are.

Also, rather than walk 2-3 hours to burn 600-900 calories, wouldn't it be nearly as good to not eat those calories in the first place?

[Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD]

You're right.

[Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD]

As I was saying the references will be up by tomorrow.

The Amish are lean because walking WORKS........ Take a look at Dr. Mehmet Oz's recommendations. He does not recommend HIIT.

[Lost Dog]

Originally Posted by Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD

Why do they recommend AEROBIC excercise for NFL guys trying to shed fat?

Who's "they?"

They also recommend that we eat 8-10 servings of grain based foods a day, several of which should be whole grain.

They used to say that the Earth was flat

They used to say that you'd "shake apart" if you traveled over 20mph.

[PowerManDL]

Originally Posted by Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD

As I was saying the references will be up by tomorrow.

I put up references to support my position with about 3 minutes on PubMed. Surely you can do better!

[Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD]

HIIT does not compare to long walks or runs. The calorie burn of the latter is far greater.

[PowerManDL]

Lawl.

Jamie where'd you dig this one up?

Or is that you behind it?

[Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD]

And PowerManDL's qualifications are ? ........ Oh I forgot, that's an "ad hominem attack"

[Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD]

If I continue this discussion ladies and gentleman it will be on my terms.

[Lost Dog]

Originally Posted by Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD

If I continue this discussion ladies and gentleman it will be on my terms.

Yay! That's me, Powerman!

[PowerManDL]

Originally Posted by Dr.SusanHarmonyPhD

And PowerManDL's qualifications are ? ........ Oh I forgot, that's an "ad hominem attack"

My qualifications are making you look really stupid.

Because I've done a fantastic job of it, assuming you're not just trolling.

[PowerManDL]

psst Jamie

Next time you're trying to make a point

At least make the troll account use a different writing style