Well, I know that this is incorrect, but i was talking to my friend who goes to an area high school about lifting and we were talking about our goals for out lifts and i told him i was doing ass to grass squats with free weights and he told me that squatting below parallel is unhealthy. His words exactly "i know i asked our workout center dude." So he's telling me that squatting below parallel with free weights is unhealthy and squatting to parallel with a smith machine is. I'm cracking up right now.
He says that the guy told him that squatting below parallel can tear the tendons even after proper warm-up. Anyway, i just wanted to check this out. This is total bogus right? Basically, i'm looking for expert opinions to show him the light.
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maybe if you use a lotta weight..but im not sure...i dont think u should worry about it too much..unless ya feel somethin rip..then id give the "workout center dude" a call...do u think he ment trainer...i no....too tough of a word...
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Long time no post dougino! Welcome back!! and i think you should start a log here so we can all watch your progress.
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yea...my knees have been buggin me a lot lately, but im startin to think i should lift to make em better....im dreading the tough routine im gonna take to get ready for the fall soccer season...practices all summer..
any ideas on wat routine i should use?
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GJ Salem and CM Powers
Patellofemoral joint kinetics during squatting in collegiate women athletes.
Clin Biomech (Bristol, Avon), June 1, 2001; 16(5): 424-30.
OBJECTIVE: To characterize the biomechanics of the patellofemoral joint during squatting in collegiate women athletes. DESIGN: Repeated measures experimental design. BACKGROUND: Although squatting exercises are required components of most intercollegiate resistance-training programs and are commonly performed during rehabilitation, the effects of various squatting depths on patellofemoral joint stress have not been quantified. METHODS: Anthropometric data, three-dimensional knee kinematics, and ground reaction forces were used to calculate the knee extensor moment (inverse dynamics approach) in five intercollegiate female athletes during squatting exercise at three different depths (approximately 70 degrees, 90 degrees and 110 degrees of knee flexion). A biomechanical model of the patellofemoral joint was used to quantify the patellofemoral joint reaction force and patellofemoral joint stress during each trial. RESULTS: Peak knee extensor moment, patellofemoral joint reaction force and patellofemoral joint stress did not vary significantly between the three squatting trials. CONCLUSIONS: Squatting from 70 degrees to 110 degrees of knee flexion had little effect on patellofemoral joint kinetics. The relative constancy of the patellofemoral joint reaction force and joint stress appeared to be related to a consistent knee extensor moment produced across the three squatting depths. RELEVANCE: The results of this study do not support the premise that squatting to 110 degrees places greater stress on the patellofemoral joint than squatting to 70 degrees. These findings may have implications with respect to the safe design of athletic training regimens and rehabilitation programs.
Now ask your friend or workout center dude to provide their evidence.
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Thanks Gq! That's just the kind of stuff i was looking for to prove him wrong. I knew i'd read a squat myth busting article but i just couldn't remember where. thanks again [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Another money lift is the full squat. A lot of athletes and coaches shy away from full squatting, instead using shallow one-fourth squats. This is solely motivated by ego —wanting to lift more weight to impress others. They justify their method by saying that full squats are bad for the knees. As most T-mag readers already know, this is hogwash!
In case you need some ammo defending full squats to the ego-squatters, here's why they're actually safer than partial squats:
• The deceleration path is longer during the full squat. Thus the deceleration is slower during the full squat. The faster the deceleration, the greater the risk of injury.
• It's been established that the most unstable knee angle is 90 degrees. Does it make sense to stop (in a rapid manner) and change direction at the most unstable knee angle? It makes about as much sense as hitting the breaks of your car and trying for a 180 degrees turn as you hit a patch of ice! (For most of you, a squat where your knee angle is 90 degrees equates to about a 1/4 squat.)
• Full squatting can actually strengthen the tendons of the knees, making the articulation more stable.
• Full squatting leads to balanced lower body development, while shallow squatting can lead to quad dominance which is the cause of many injuries.
• In the shallow squat you use more weight (that's why it's an ego lift). If you can't full squat a weight, you have no business quarter-squatting it! Your structures (bones, tendons, ligaments) aren't well adapted enough to sustain the load and you risk injury.
• Full back squats can make more difference in sport performance than any other exercise. Notice that I advocate a close-stance full squat with an upright trunk. This is the only way an athlete should squat.
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doozy89: dude where did u get that bullshit stuff
doozy89: #2 has nothing to do with the 'quarter-squat'
nextemeril: Christian Thibaudeau
nextemeril: got other stuff 2
doozy89: half that shit is bull
doozy89: and the other half is just stupid
doozy89: cause like the unstable 90 degree thing
doozy89: u dotn stop and 90 degrees
doozy89: u stop when u get ur quads parallel to the ground
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doozy89: dude u lift however u want but im gonna listen to my fitness guy cause hes been lifting since he was like 12
doozy89: hes 60 something now
doozy89: hes buff as hell
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not necesarily buddy....the further you go, the different muscles you are using...im sure they know a lil more than him...bein as tho Christian Thibaudeau is a professional..i think he knows what hes talkin about..maybe we need a JP FITESS expert opinion
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